Relationships between the Members of the Danish Royal Family

[sgl]

That's an interesting thought Kataryn. I've wondered about Mary's time in Paris too. There hasn't been a lot of info about that time (and to my knowledge, no pictures have surfaced). What year did Marie meet Joachim?

[Kataryn]

Originally Posted by Gatos

That's an interesting thought Kataryn. I've wondered about Mary's time in Paris too. There hasn't been a lot of info about that time (and to my knowledge, no pictures have surfaced). What year did Marie meet Joachim?

I'm not sure but it was at a time when Prince Felix was a very small infant and Joachim still married to Alexandra without any hints to a future divorce. Around 2002?

[sgl]

Is that the same year Marie returned to Europe?

[Benedikte]

Originally Posted by Gatos

That's an interesting thought Kataryn. I've wondered about Mary's time in Paris too. There hasn't been a lot of info about that time (and to my knowledge, no pictures have surfaced). What year did Marie meet Joachim?

Marie met Joachim 2 months after Alexandra gave birth to Felix.

And apparently they kept in touch at least 2 times.

Danish Royal Watchers

[Sternchen]

Originally Posted by Kataryn

That sounds to me a bit as if Marie was part of the Parisian circle of trusted friends of Frederick and Joachim and might have helped Mary with settling in in.

I thought that Mary didn't spend more than 6 months in Paris, and was in Denmark quiet often during that period?
AFAIK, Joachim and Marie both declared, that they met once at a hunt when Joachim and Alexandra were still together, but didn't keep in contact. And that they met again at a hunt, when Joachim and Alexandra were already divorced (or was it "just" separated?) and they still didn't keep in contact until Joachim contacted her while he was in Paris.

I don't think Marie belonged to Fred's circle of friends, I understood it more like Joachim and Marie had some mutual friends/aquaintances (spell?) that invited both of them to hunts. Mary was often seen with friends from Fred like Birgitte Handwerk nee Zachau, Julie Mølsgaard (Fred's friend from Krebs), Rose Gad, Caroline Heering, Ellen Hillingsø and others

But I will check the Ninka-Book, as I don't remember if the time in Paris was mentioned, I also don't remember if the time in Paris was more than mentioned in the Redder/Palshoj-Book?
Perhaps Muhler can check, if Fred said something about it in the Redder/Palshoj-Book for his 40th Birthday?

[Sternchen]

Originally Posted by Gatos

Is that the same year Marie returned to Europe?

I think Marie returned to Europe shortly after September 11th. Didn't she say something, that she was having trouble getting a new work-visa?

[Benedikte]

Originally Posted by Gatos

Is that the same year Marie returned to Europe?

As I recall Marie returned after 9/11 2001 because USA became more restrictive about people staying in USA. Perhaps she was lacking a green card or what ever...

[Kataryn]

Originally Posted by Benedikte

Marie met Joachim 2 months after Alexandra gave birth to Felix.

And apparently they kept in touch at least 2 times.

Danish Royal Watchers

Uugh, that sounds bad, reminds one of the Diana/Camilla/Charles-triangle...

No, trying to read between the lines of the interview they gave, it really sounds a bit foggy when it comes to when, where and what was in the beginning of their relationship.

But that is put into perspective, IMHO, when you see how not only cordial but friendly Alexandra reacts to Marie and how A&M and J&M attend events together in a positive mood. That, especially if you watch video coverage and not only still pics, is evident and seems to be more than the successful trial to do right for the kids.

I see Alexandra as a very controlled but still very emotional and strong woman and I doubt she would be willing to act as if she liked Marie when Marie in fact played some role in the divorce. She was strong enough to divorce a prince and to marry a man younger than her, so why should she react that way if her feelings are not genuine?

[Zonk]

Let's not get off track talking about the dates regarding the end of one marriage and the beginnings of another. Its all speculative and we have nothing definitive.

What we do know is that Alexandra and Joachim have managed to remain mature and courteous despite their divorce. Marie and Martin appear to have blended into the family with ease. What matters is that all four adults keep the interest of the boys as their top priority. And this is what it should be.

[Benedikte]

Ekstra Bladet - Prinsesse Marie: Mary hjalp mig med at falde til

It's [not] easy to go from a life as a mortal Frenchman to suddenly be the princess of Denmark. That Princess Marie had to realise when she arrived to Denmark to be married with the royal peasant husband, Prince Joachim. In an interview with Image magazine Marie explains that she sought help from Princess Mary when she should get settled in the kingdom.

- There was so much to fall into place for me and at first it was very stressful. Here was Mary a great help to me, "says the handsome Frenchman, who also got help from Prince Joachim. But there were still some things the racers peasant could not help.

- Of course it is first and foremost, Joachim, who is the great support for me, but he grew up with his task, and therefore there are things that the Crown Princess better understand, "said Princess Marie.

Intensive Danish course
As politicians prescribes it is important to learn Danish in a hurry to get on in the Danish society. And it applies even if you have stepped into the royal family. This is precisely why Princess Marie and Prince Joachim strict rules for when to speak Danish and French.

- I've asked Joachim that he speak Danish to me until at. 19.00. The rest of the evening, I so need to relax a little, and so we change to French, says Princess Marie to Billedbladet.

[Sternchen]

I think that Alexandra is really a very strong and controlled woman Which I don't necessarily regard as a bad thing
But in the end of their marriage, after the divorce, and also after the remarriage, there was only one instance, where I saw as much as a crack, when she looked quiet annoyed, and that was at Felix first day at Krebs in August 2008.
Joachim and the photographers have been waiting at the school for a while when Alexandra and Martin arrived quiet late with Felix, and Alexandra looked annoyed. I guess they were delayed by traffic. But it was the only time I remember, where you could see an annoyed Alexandra.

[Viv]

Originally Posted by Kataryn

And maybe we'll find out a bit more about Joachim's and Marie's early days when she was just a member of his circle but not yet his girlfriend as he was still married.

I remember reading something about Joachim and Marie meeting at a dinner party organised by 'friends' - could be 2002 or 2003; they had a cosy conversation and exchanged phono numbers. The contact was reactivated after the separation. I'm not convinced this is the whole truth and nothing but, but it's basically none of our business and I suppose the official version will have to do !

Viv

[Sternchen]

Hm, so Marie moved to Paris somewhen in 2002, and according to "Mary, Crown Princess of Denmark" by Palshoj/Redder, Mary had lived in Denmark for 18 months by October 2003 (Page 45) which would mean, that she moved to Denmark in April 2002.

[Benedikte]

Originally Posted by Viv

I remember reading something about Joachim and Marie meeting at a dinner party organised by 'friends' - could be 2002 or 2003; they had a cosy conversation and exchanged phono numbers. The contact was reactivated after the separation. I'm not convinced this is the whole truth and nothing but, but it's basically none of our business and I suppose the official version will have to do !

Viv

I agree.

And according to Joachim and Marie they actually was in contact once or twice after 2002 and before the separation.

Danish Royal Watchers

[Sternchen]

Originally Posted by Benedikte

I agree.

And according to Joachim and Marie they actually was in contact once or twice after 2002 and before the separation.

Danish Royal Watchers

If Joachim and Marie only met in October 2002 then it is (IMO) highly unlikely that Mary and Marie were friends in Paris before.

[Benedikte]

Originally Posted by Sternchen

If Joachim and Marie only met in October 2002 then it is (IMO) highly unlikely that Mary and Marie were friends in Paris before.

I do agree.

[iceflower]

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Obviously at this time and without concrete information it's impossible to clarify
certain facts about the Princesses' time in Paris and it's highly speculative to
talk about dates and personal backgrounds of the divorce years ago, so let us
please move on now!

[kalnel]

I was just reading the current Point de Vue story about the photo call at Grasten, and, if I have my French right, it seems to refer to a recent (or ongoing) dispute between Frederik and Joachim.

The sentence reads: "L'ambiance entre Frederik et Joachim, les deux fils de la reine, ne serait pas au beau fixe, et le cadet aurait ainsi marqué sa fâcherie."

I may be misunderstanding a French idiom or something, but I take that to mean: "The feeling between Frederik and Joachim, the queen's two sons, doesn't seem good, and the younger has picked his fight."

What's up?

[Viv]

Originally Posted by kalnel

I was just reading the current Point de Vue story about the photo call at Grasten, and, if I have my French right, it seems to refer to a recent (or ongoing) dispute between Frederik and Joachim.....
What's up?

Some media are barking on about a rift between the brothers ! 'Proof' are pictures of the two looking in different directions etc.. The reason is supposed to be buried somewhere in the wake of Prince Joachim's divorce!!

I doubt that there's any truth in it! From what we (the general public) can see Frederik and Joachim & wives are not hanging out together an awful lot, but that does not mean that "something's the matter". Both couples lead busy lives and have separate sets of friends!
Apart from Graasten the two couples were pictured together at the Monaco wedding!

Viv

[maria-olivia]

The day of the annual picture of the family the Royals are mostly smiling for the press.