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Old 10-18-2010, 02:37 PM
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Sorry, I don't get it. I didn't even know that she is not married to him. Why not??
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Old 10-19-2010, 12:20 PM
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Because if they get married, he loses his money. They appear to like the money more than marriage.

For more details as to why he would lose the money, be sure to read the earlier parts of this thread and Part I. It's very comprehensive.
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Old 10-19-2010, 12:46 PM
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Because if they get married, he loses his money. They appear to like the money more than marriage.

For more details as to why he would lose the money, be sure to read the earlier parts of this thread and Part I. It's very comprehensive.
Well, it is not just Gustav's money, it is the complete heritage from his grandfather (money, castle, assets) that would go to his uncle (or cousin, I'm not sure). It does not just concern Prince Gustav, but also his parents. If he looses the heritage, the whole family could pack their things and move out of their home, because their home would go to another branch of the family.
And let's face it: in 21st century Germany marriage is not so important anymore. People have no problem with unmarried couples living together. Gustav has made it clear that he is really committed to his partner, if that is enough for her, it is enough for me as well.
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Well, it is not just Gustav's money, it is the complete heritage from his grandfather (money, castle, assets) that would go to his uncle (or cousin, I'm not sure). It does not just concern Prince Gustav, but also his parents. If he looses the heritage, the whole family could pack their things and move out of their home, because their home would go to another branch of the family.
And let's face it: in 21st century Germany marriage is not so important anymore. People have no problem with unmarried couples living together. Gustav has made it clear that he is really committed to his partner, if that is enough for her, it is enough for me as well.
Cousin. Bernhard.

There is the matter of passing it on to the next generation, since illegitimate children would not be able to inherit. It will all go to his cousin when Gustav dies.

As I said, they like the money, they like the life.
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Old 10-19-2010, 03:51 PM
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But wait....how come the fortune skipped the father. So everyone lives at the castle, and if he marries, everything goes to Bernhard......so its not just Gustav and Carina who would lose by this marriage?

Thats a big different don't you think NaP?
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The will of the grandfather was written to avoid taxes. So Gustav was the heir and as he wasn't even born when his grandfather (propably) died, they would have been made to pay full taxes. So they waited to have him declared dead by court until Gustav was born. (Gustav was born January 1969, his grandfather was declared dead in November 1969.) :)

Btw. I doubt that Benhard is interested in inheriting and giving up his own publishing house to take care of the Sayn-Wittgenstein forestry
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Old 10-19-2010, 04:49 PM
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Because if they get married, he loses his money. They appear to like the money more than marriage.

For more details as to why he would lose the money, be sure to read the earlier parts of this thread and Part I. It's very comprehensive.
It's not only about him. If he is excluded from inheriting so are his sisters.
Gustav, Hereditary Prince of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Berleburg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If he dies without a child his sisters can still inherit some estates.
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Old 10-19-2010, 04:54 PM
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Okay...so there is more to this picture than just Gustav being money hungry.

If he marries Carina (or someone who is not approved by the rules of the grandfather's will) ......that's it he loses everything. And his parents who I assume live on the property might also lose their home.

If he doesn't marry Carina and dies (not that I am wishing that on him), his sisters can still inheirit some of the estate from him and the rest it goes to his cousin.

So if Gustav and Carina marry and he loses everything, and his immeadiate family loses everything, will he still be called selfish?
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Alexandra and Nathalie can't inherit anything belonging to the Sayn-Wittgenstein estate that Gustav inherited or that has been since added to the estate.
I'm unsure how it is about money that Gustav receives from the estate. I presume it will be seen as similar to a salary or perhaps it is just a part of the profit of the estate he is entitled to?
Either way, he will only be able to leave this part to whom he wishes. Meaning that he could also leave everything (except his inheritance) to Carina, Alexandra, Nathalie, you, me or everyone else.

Hope I didn't confuse anyone :)

And yes, his parents same as Nathalie and her husband live on the property. But I am unsure if his parents are still living in the mainhouse.
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Old 10-20-2010, 09:31 AM
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Alexandra and Nathalie can't inherit anything belonging to the Sayn-Wittgenstein estate that Gustav inherited or that has been since added to the estate.
I'm unsure how it is about money that Gustav receives from the estate. I presume it will be seen as similar to a salary or perhaps it is just a part of the profit of the estate he is entitled to?
Either way, he will only be able to leave this part to whom he wishes. Meaning that he could also leave everything (except his inheritance) to Carina, Alexandra, Nathalie, you, me or everyone else.

Hope I didn't confuse anyone :)

And yes, his parents same as Nathalie and her husband live on the property. But I am unsure if his parents are still living in the mainhouse.
You are correct: Gustav's sisters and their children have always been excluded from inheriting the bulk of the estate, which passed whole and without taxation from Gustav's grandfather to Gustav as part of an excellent set of estate planning documents.

There are some people who simply choose not to marry or have children, regardless of their financial situation. However, there are significant financial incentives here to remain unmarried, and so they do.

It definitely takes that well-tended "tragic-tale-of-love-thwarted" gleam off.
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Old 10-20-2010, 09:40 AM
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As you said, there are people who simply choose not to marry or have children. The rest is pure speculation on your part. :)
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Old 10-20-2010, 11:18 AM
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I've never been one to buy into the myths and fairytales spun by PR specialists; fact patterns do say much more, n'est pas?
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Old 10-20-2010, 01:16 PM
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Cousin. Bernhard.

There is the matter of passing it on to the next generation, since illegitimate children would not be able to inherit. It will all go to his cousin when Gustav dies.

As I said, they like the money, they like the life.
Money, money, money... I guess I would do the same if I were in his shoes. I would let the inheritance go to the cousin after my death rathen than letting it go immediately.
And how old is Carina? I believe that they already would have children if they really, really wanted to. Maybe they don't. Maybe they can't.
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Old 10-20-2010, 01:23 PM
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And how old is Carina? I believe that they already would have children if they really, really wanted to. Maybe they don't. Maybe they can't.
Same as Prince Frederik, 42. Gustav is 41.
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Old 10-20-2010, 03:45 PM
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I've never been one to buy into the myths and fairytales spun by PR specialists; fact patterns do say much more, n'est pas?
Well, I for one didn't know that Gustav and Carina hired PR specialists :P You are interpreting facts. No more and no less.
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I think she is more than 40, 41or 42, so too late to have kids!
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Old 10-21-2010, 05:00 AM
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I think she is more than 40, 41or 42, so too late to have kids!
To late to have them (kids) naturaly way maybe, but with medical assistance perfectly possible.
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Well Frederik is 42 and he and Mary are having twins.
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Old 10-21-2010, 08:04 AM
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Well, Mary is pregnant not Fred, so I guess, as Carina is 42, you can hardly compare
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Old 10-21-2010, 08:09 AM
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I know this is off topic but it's alright/not as risky have your second or third child if you are over 40. However, it is fairly risky to have your first child when you are over 40. It can happen(obviously) but it is not recomended strongly.
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