General Questions and Information about the Danish Royal Family

[gerry]

The Queen also has a flying escort of grandchildren to support her when needed and I recall an interview where she attributed her slender waist (that she loves to emphasise with belted shirtwaists!) to the size of her palaces that give her lots of steps to count! Long may HM Queen Margrethe reign!

 

[capri]

I wonder if the Danish Royals go to Mediterranean for vacation.

 

[Muhler]

I wonder if the Danish Royals go to Mediterranean for vacation.

They have on occasion in the past.
QMII being 82 is unlikely to go the Mediterranean, not when she has Cayx to stay at.
J&M mostly stay in France or return to DK for the summer these years, or at least that's my impression.
M&F, being the de facto regent couple, are expected to stay for a part of the summer in DK. It's simply a question of being seen and maintain a personal affiliation with other parts of DK.
- Of course once in a while they may go on an extended vacation somewhere else or to Australia. That will however be more rare, when they take over, I think.
So we may see more short solo trips by Mary to Australia by then.

I think it's not unlikely that M&F at times may drop by the Spanish royals or the Greeks, if they happen to stay in Greece or Spain of course. Given their friendship and personal relations with the Greek and Spanish royals. But that will no doubt be very low key.

I think it's much more interesting and indicative to follow Christian and Isabelle over the next five years.
I think it's almost a given thing that they will from time to time (and depending on their behavior) go on summer vacation with their friends only. And a likely place is somewhere south, i.e. the Mediterranean.

It will also be interesting to see if M&F's children will develop a relationship and hopefully a friendship with the Greeks of their age and perhaps visit them alone in the years to come.
It will be at least as interesting to see if M&F's children will develop a close relationship with the children of other royal families, the Norwegians and Dutch perhaps in particular, but also the Belgian and Spanish.
We know they already have some sort of relationship - Alexa and Christian singing together for example.

I omitted the Swedish, British, Monaco and Luxembourg children, as I believe they are too young, even for Vincent and Josephine.

I won't speculate on Joachim and our Marie, because I simply have no idea how much, if at all, they associate privately with other royals.

 

[Izzie]

They have on occasion in the past.
QMII being 82 is unlikely to go the Mediterranean, not when she has Cayx to stay at.
J&M mostly stay in France or return to DK for the summer these years, or at least that's my impression.
M&F, being the de facto regent couple, are expected to stay for a part of the summer in DK. It's simply a question of being seen and maintain a personal affiliation with other parts of DK.
- Of course once in a while they may go on an extended vacation somewhere else or to Australia. That will however be more rare, when they take over, I think.
So we may see more short solo trips by Mary to Australia by then.

I think it's not unlikely that M&F at times may drop by the Spanish royals or the Greeks, if they happen to stay in Greece or Spain of course. Given their friendship and personal relations with the Greek and Spanish royals. But that will no doubt be very low key.

I think it's much more interesting and indicative to follow Christian and Isabelle over the next five years.
I think it's almost a given thing that they will from time to time (and depending on their behavior) go on summer vacation with their friends only. And a likely place is somewhere south, i.e. the Mediterranean.

It will also be interesting to see if M&F's children will develop a relationship and hopefully a friendship with the Greeks of their age and perhaps visit them alone in the years to come.
It will be at least as interesting to see if M&F's children will develop a close relationship with the children of other royal families, the Norwegians and Dutch perhaps in particular, but also the Belgian and Spanish.
We know they already have some sort of relationship - Alexa and Christian singing together for example.

I omitted the Swedish, British, Monaco and Luxembourg children, as I believe they are too young, even for Vincent and Josephine.

I won't speculate on Joachim and our Marie, because I simply have no idea how much, if at all, they associate privately with other royals.

As to Swedish royals - Estelle is 10? With Vincent and Josephine being 11, that is close in age where they could form a friendship. I would like to see Christian, Ingrid-Alexandra, Elisabeth, Amalia be close(r) friends now. I know Elisabeth is I believe 20, IA and Amalia both 18 and Christian will be 17 in a couple of months...a nice support for each other given their destined roles. I would add the Princess of Asturias to this group (I think she is 16?). IMO, for being the youngest, she is the one that is the most out there doing engagements, giving speeches, etc.

I doubt the British kids will be part of the equation. The BRF does not mingle with the other European royals.

Sorry, I diverted from the thread topic.

I would love to see M&F (as Muhler said, as the defacto regent couple) do a summer cruise (maybe even one with the kids). No horse drawn carriages, etc. But a nice down-to-earth summer cruise getting to meet locals along with the kids. Connecting Mary and Frederik, but the kids as well, with other towns in Denmark. PLUS, the kids as well, especially Christian. It is also great training for him in a very receptive and friendly environment! Have the local kids of the same ages come out and meet the CP kids as well. I hope that all made sense (writing all this BC - "before coffee"). But I do believe that Christian's on-the-job training should be ramping up now!

Muhler - did they not do some summer cruises in the past? Why did they stop doing them?

 

[Somebody]

I agree about Estelle and Vincent and Josephine: quite perfect in terms of age - although one is destined to be queen and the others are not - they know enough about what a royal life entails...

Leonor is only 2 weeks younger than Christian, so they are closer in age than any of the other heirs (although Amalia and Ingrid-Alexandra are a close second with only 1 1/2 months between them).

 

[Prinsara]

I mean if Vincent is going to marry Estelle we have to get started somewhere.

I kid. (They're kids.) But it would be fun...

 

[Muhler]

As to Swedish royals - Estelle is 10? With Vincent and Josephine being 11, that is close in age where they could form a friendship. I would like to see Christian, Ingrid-Alexandra, Elisabeth, Amalia be close(r) friends now. I know Elisabeth is I believe 20, IA and Amalia both 18 and Christian will be 17 in a couple of months...a nice support for each other given their destined roles. I would add the Princess of Asturias to this group (I think she is 16?). IMO, for being the youngest, she is the one that is the most out there doing engagements, giving speeches, etc.

I doubt the British kids will be part of the equation. The BRF does not mingle with the other European royals.

Sorry, I diverted from the thread topic.

I would love to see M&F (as Muhler said, as the defacto regent couple) do a summer cruise (maybe even one with the kids). No horse drawn carriages, etc. But a nice down-to-earth summer cruise getting to meet locals along with the kids. Connecting Mary and Frederik, but the kids as well, with other towns in Denmark. PLUS, the kids as well, especially Christian. It is also great training for him in a very receptive and friendly environment! Have the local kids of the same ages come out and meet the CP kids as well. I hope that all made sense (writing all this BC - "before coffee"). But I do believe that Christian's on-the-job training should be ramping up now!

Muhler - did they not do some summer cruises in the past? Why did they stop doing them?

Estelle is already 10?!? I thought she was 8-9 years old. That would make it possible for her to bond with Josephine and Vincent - if not right now, then certainly in just a few years.

M&F did do summer cruises in the past, but mostly either with QMII and PH - a kind of on the job training for Mary in particular I suspect.
And also cruises when they were newly married to present Mary to the people and Mary to Denmark. Good training and people genuinely wanted to meet M&F and welcome Mary to the tribe.
And especially for their travels to Greenland, which means so much for Frederik.

Personally I would like to see them share the summer cruises, one tour with QMII and one tour with M&F and with at least some of their children. It would be good practice for Christian in particular and M&F could start to put their mark on how they want to do things.

And a bit off topic and to return to the Mediterranean. I can easily envision M&F at some point doing a tour of some of the countries in the Mediterranean.
Even though Danneborg is an elderly lady she has done such a trip before. It's practical for M&F to take their residence with them and she's a crowd-pleaser wherever she sails. Being way more elegant and with finer and more feminine lines than the monstrous yacht-things we often see in the Mediterranean.

 

[Izzie]

Estelle is already 10?!? I thought she was 8-9 years old. That would make it possible for her to bond with Josephine and Vincent - if not right now, then certainly in just a few years.

M&F did do summer cruises in the past, but mostly either with QMII and PH - a kind of on the job training for Mary in particular I suspect.
And also cruises when they were newly married to present Mary to the people and Mary to Denmark. Good training and people genuinely wanted to meet M&F and welcome Mary to the tribe.
And especially for their travels to Greenland, which means so much for Frederik.

Personally I would like to see them share the summer cruises, one tour with QMII and one tour with M&F and with at least some of their children. It would be good practice for Christian in particular and M&F could start to put their mark on how they want to do things.

And a bit off topic and to return to the Mediterranean. I can easily envision M&F at some point doing a tour of some of the countries in the Mediterranean.
Even though Danneborg is an elderly lady she has done such a trip before. It's practical for M&F to take their residence with them and she's a crowd-pleaser wherever she sails. Being way more elegant and with finer and more feminine lines than the monstrous yacht-things we often see in the Mediterranean.

Yes, Estelle I believe turned 10! These kids are growing way to fast!! LOL

I recall that M&F did some summer cruises when Christian was a baby and then we got a summer cruise the year the twins were born. I would love to see them do the summer cruise again with the kids. And, like you said, put their (modern) stamp on things...Plus we all know the kids are magnets for the crowds! I think people would turn up in droves!! Have the kids do some fun events with the local kids and the images would be fantastic!

Do you mean do official visits to locations in the Mediterranean? I am anxious to see some sort of official visit(s) announced for M&F tbh! Just not sure to where...but I will take anywhere at this point! LOL.

 

[Archduchess Zelia]

Estelle is already 10?!? I thought she was 8-9 years old. That would make it possible for her to bond with Josephine and Vincent - if not right now, then certainly in just a few years.

I mean, Christian, Ingrid and Estelle will all have special relationship regardless of their respective ages. There's 5 years between Frederik and Haakon and 9 years between him and Victoria, and they're all very close regardless.

Ingrid already alluded to it in her birthday interview, that "obviously" she's close with her Scandinavian "colleagues". And it has showed – both in her inviting Christian to her confirmation (as the only non-Norwegian young royal) and in the photo that was released from Ingrid and her family's private visit to Estelle and her family. Age isn't a barrier for bonding – especially not when you're in the same position.

 

[Muhler]

Yes, Estelle I believe turned 10! These kids are growing way to fast!! LOL

I recall that M&F did some summer cruises when Christian was a baby and then we got a summer cruise the year the twins were born. I would love to see them do the summer cruise again with the kids. And, like you said, put their (modern) stamp on things...Plus we all know the kids are magnets for the crowds! I think people would turn up in droves!! Have the kids do some fun events with the local kids and the images would be fantastic!

Do you mean do official visits to locations in the Mediterranean? I am anxious to see some sort of official visit(s) announced for M&F tbh! Just not sure to where...but I will take anywhere at this point! LOL.

Yes, some sort of official visit.

There are plenty of countries to visit, even if they only two or three.

It would not be the first time Dannebrog is in the area. She went there with QMII and PH in connection with the Olympics in Greece - I suspect in the back of my mind, that by bringing her own residence QMII in that way avoided being hosted by the Greek government - vis a vis the way King Konstantinos and Queen Anne Marie were treated at Benedikte's wedding. And that fact that QMII, despite quite a bit of pressure, refused to visit Greece, until her brother-in-law and sister were allowed back to Greece.
It is of course off topic in this tread but meant only to illustrate that Dannebrog has and can be used for summer cruises way off Danish waters. I doubt the sailors aboard Danneborg had any particular objections though... ?

And while on the topic of Danneborg. My big wet dream is to see her on an official cruise to Australia. It would, considering the length of the journey, be a mix of an official trip as well as being a holiday trip.
I would very much like to see Dannebrog sailing under Sydney Harbour Bridge or passing the Arizona Memorial with M&F aboard.

I tried to illustrate that dream some years back:
https://app.box.com/s/13mg8fqagnztjree2oc3

 

[Izzie]

Yes, some sort of official visit.

There are plenty of countries to visit, even if they only two or three.

It would not be the first time Dannebrog is in the area. She went there with QMII and PH in connection with the Olympics in Greece - I suspect in the back of my mind, that by bringing her own residence QMII in that way avoided being hosted by the Greek government - vis a vis the way King Konstantinos and Queen Anne Marie were treated at Benedikte's wedding. And that fact that QMII, despite quite a bit of pressure, refused to visit Greece, until her brother-in-law and sister were allowed back to Greece.
It is of course off topic in this tread but meant only to illustrate that Dannebrog has and can be used for summer cruises way off Danish waters. I doubt the sailors aboard Danneborg had any particular objections though... ?

And while on the topic of Danneborg. My big wet dream is to see her on an official cruise to Australia. It would, considering the length of the journey, be a mix of an official trip as well as being a holiday trip.
I would very much like to see Dannebrog sailing under Sydney Harbour Bridge or passing the Arizona Memorial with M&F aboard.

I tried to illustrate that dream some years back:
https://app.box.com/s/13mg8fqagnztjree2oc3

So an official trip by M&F to Greece is a possibility. Maybe they could do more than one stop for a more extended official trip?!?

How long would it take the Danneborg to travel to Australia though? Is that even a possibility? But WOW, the optics of sailing under the Sydney Harbor Bridge, by the Opera House!

 

[Muhler]

I mean, Christian, Ingrid and Estelle will all have special relationship regardless of their respective ages. There's 5 years between Frederik and Haakon and 9 years between him and Victoria, and they're all very close regardless.

Ingrid already alluded to it in her birthday interview, that "obviously" she's close with her Scandinavian "colleagues". And it has showed – both in her inviting Christian to her confirmation (as the only non-Norwegian young royal) and in the photo that was released from Ingrid and her family's private visit to Estelle and her family. Age isn't a barrier for bonding – especially not when you're in the same position.

Agree.

What I mean with Estelle is that Vincent and Josephine is at that age where you can, not always, be very conscious about your age. But when they are around 13-14 years old, that doesn't matter anymore.
So yes, Estelle can - and hopefully will - bond with V&J.

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Yes, that's what I meant. An extended trip to some countries around the Mediterranean. Most countries in that region have an extended coastline, so it should be possible to make several stops to different ports.

It is possible to send Dannebrog to the Pacific. It will of course be very expensive and need a change of crews at least three times, probably four, not only for Dannebrog herself, but for her escort as well.
It will also take time, months back and forth, because she is not the fastest ship around.
So it would have to be a very long trip, visiting a number of countries over a period of up to several months, where M&F in this vision, will fly in when Dannebrog has arrived at her next destination.
But few will deny, I believe, that she's a beautiful ambassador for Denmark - with the fifth or sixth largest merchant fleet in the world. - Which is an argument for sending her on such a trip.
Being an elderly lady she will also need some maintenance in ports from time to time.
And as such it would be almost discourteous if she was not to drop by Hawaii on her way out or back - and probably San Diego as well.
Likely going through the Panama Canal, she could also visit a number of countries in the Caribbean.

Apart from the old Britania I don't think another royal yacht has ever visit the Pacific before.
I can't of course pretend to speak for the Americans, Australians (and New Zealanders?) or the Chinese, but I think (and hope) she would be welcomed.

One thing is certain, they would have no problems whatsoever finding volunteer conscripts for that journey!

 

[Izzie]

Agree.

What I mean with Estelle is that Vincent and Josephine is at that age where you can, not always, be very conscious about your age. But when they are around 13-14 years old, that doesn't matter anymore.
So yes, Estelle can - and hopefully will - bond with V&J.

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Yes, that's what I meant. An extended trip to some countries around the Mediterranean. Most countries in that region have an extended coastline, so it should be possible to make several stops to different ports.

It is possible to send Dannebrog to the Pacific. It will of course be very expensive and need a change of crews at least three times, probably four, not only for Dannebrog herself, but for her escort as well.
It will also take time, months back and forth, because she is not the fastest ship around.
So it would have to be a very long trip, visiting a number of countries over a period of up to several months, where M&F in this vision, will fly in when Dannebrog has arrived at her next destination.
But few will deny, I believe, that she's a beautiful ambassador for Denmark - with the fifth or sixth largest merchant fleet in the world. - Which is an argument for sending her on such a trip.
Being an elderly lady she will also need some maintenance in ports from time to time.
And as such it would be almost discourteous if she was not to drop by Hawaii on her way out or back - and probably San Diego as well.
Likely going through the Panama Canal, she could also visit a number of countries in the Caribbean.

Apart from the old Britania I don't think another royal yacht has ever visit the Pacific before.
I can't of course pretend to speak for the Americans, Australians (and New Zealanders?) or the Chinese, but I think (and hope) she would be welcomed.

One thing is certain, they would have no problems whatsoever finding volunteer conscripts for that journey!

Oh a trip like that would be wonderful, epic and historic! A sight like that in Hawaii and San Diego would be amazing! I am only a 3 hour drive from San Diego and I would not be shocked if I all of a sudden needed to be down there for one thing or another... And I totally think the royal yacht would bring out the crowds in the US! That lady must be quite a sight in person...so I can see all cell phones out taking photos!

 

[kalnel]

Agree.
Apart from the old Britania I don't think another royal yacht has ever visit the Pacific before.
I can't of course pretend to speak for the Americans, Australians (and New Zealanders?) or the Chinese, but I think (and hope) she would be welcomed.

One thing is certain, they would have no problems whatsoever finding volunteer conscripts for that journey!

Maybe they should start with a trip to the East Coast, visiting Eastern Canada or New York. They could even sail it up the Potomac River into Washington harbor. (Ships with a 30-foot draught can come up the river. The Dannebrog's draught is only 23 feet, so plenty of room.)

 

[Muhler]

Something like that has been done before.

Back in 1976 QMII and PH visited USA to mark the centennial and Dannebrog sailed to New York for the occasion.

 

[Izzie]

Something like that has been done before.

Back in 1976 QMII and PH visited USA to mark the centennial and Dannebrog sailed to New York for the occasion.

It would be lovely to see it again with the de factos. NYC, Boston, DC.
Harvard - the JFK School of Public Admin where the recipients of the CPF Foundation scholarships are funded to attend for a year. We could use DK's knowledge re alternative fuel and power sources here tbh!!

 

[kalnel]

Something like that has been done before.

Back in 1976 QMII and PH visited USA to mark the centennial and Dannebrog sailed to New York for the occasion.

Well, the United States will be celebrating its semiquincentennial in 2026. Maybe F&M can bring the Dannebrog over for another visit then.

 

[Muhler]

Well, it is certainly possible.

The Biden administration has or will (not sure if it's gone through Congress) invest heavily in alternative energy and other forms of infrastructure.
That was met with delight by Danish businesses because DK is among the world-leaders in wind energy (and if it works, also soon in how to store that energy) because that potentially meant big export of parts, mills and know how to USA.
Some of the US projects on table involves huge wind farms in the Gulf of Mexico BTW, so there is a distinct maritime element to this.
So if the current US administration is reelected or the next administration continue the policy I will find it more than likely that DK will send a big trade delegation to USA (in fact I'm pretty certain they are working on that right now) and such delegations are typically led by M&F

Another things is that other countries in the Caribbean may be interested in wind energy or thermal energy from the sea (that's Norway's department). There are after all quite a few island nations in that part of the world.
Mexico has also begun to flex it's economic muscles in earnest and would be worth a visit again.

So even though it may no be likely and Dannebrog with her older diesel engines is not the best ambassador for environmentally sound solutions, it is a possibility.

Another and very real possibility is a visit to Canada.
As some of you may know, Denmark has two land borders - one with Germany and one with Canada.
The long and amusing dispute over Hans Island located right between Greenland and Canada has recently been resolved, the solution was the simplest possible: Divide the very small island of Hans Island/Hans Ø in two.
Considering the very peaceful way this was handled, the now close co-operations between Greenland (emergency hospital-care. If you live in north-east Canada Greenland, and by extension hospitals in Denmark can be relatively closer than hospitals in say Toronto.) and Canada and Danish Arctic Command and Canada regarding patrolling and search and rescue and the otherwise very good relations DK and Canada has, it is actually more than likely that this will be marked in some way - Frederik of course springs to mind.
And since Dannebrog routinely sail up and down the coasts of Greenland, why not pop over to Canada?

 

[Muhler]

This strictly belongs in the link section, but that is locked, so I will for the time being place it here, with a few words of advise.

https://presse-fotos.dk/

It's a news site focusing on photos.
It's not a big site with that many news, but it contains a number of photos that either haven't been used by other medias or are behind the scenes types.
That includes bomb-searches and fire-alarms going off.

I will suggest using these key words in the search feature:
Kongehuset, kronprinsesse Mary, kronprins frederik, dronning Margrethe, royalt, kongeskibet, amalienborg, Fredensborg slot, Gråsten Slot, Marselisborg Slot, prins Christian, - vincent, - Joachim, prinsesse Marie, - Isabella, - Josephine etc.

So this is mainly for our ever vigilant news-diggers.

- Until our moderators kindly decides what to do with this post. ?

 

[Izzie]

Well, it is certainly possible.

The Biden administration has or will (not sure if it's gone through Congress) invest heavily in alternative energy and other forms of infrastructure.
That was met with delight by Danish businesses because DK is among the world-leaders in wind energy (and if it works, also soon in how to store that energy) because that potentially meant big export of parts, mills and know how to USA.
Some of the US projects on table involves huge wind farms in the Gulf of Mexico BTW, so there is a distinct maritime element to this.
So if the current US administration is reelected or the next administration continue the policy I will find it more than likely that DK will send a big trade delegation to USA (in fact I'm pretty certain they are working on that right now) and such delegations are typically led by M&F

Well, yesterday, August 16th, Biden signed what is being called the Inflation Reduction Act which is biggest piece of legislation that includes a huge investment in the issues re climate change and all things associated with it. And hopefully Denmark is a country they look to for investment, knowledge, etc. Either visiting Denmark or having M&F lead a trade delegation to the US. I would think they would look to NYC or DC for a visit. Didn't one of the Danish ministers recently meet with Secretary of State Blinken? I am sure the US is well aware of how far ahead countries like Denmark (and Norway) are in climate change solutions.

 

[Muhler]

Absolutely.

Danish Export and Danish Commerce are salivating at the opportunities!

And if the planning by the Ministry of Trade for a visit to USA involving M&F isn't already well underway, it will be soon.
I would be extremely surprised if there isn't such a visit to USA within two years, max. - I would also be extremely annoyed, as a taxpayer, if such a visit did not take place. That would IMO be nothing short of incompetence.

The interesting thing is of course where such a visit would take place.
I would imagine California would be high on the list, due to that state having a high profile in regards to the environment.
From an outsider's perspective and given the polarized political climate in USA these years, I would imagine that some states will be cultivated more by the Danish delegation than others.
From a geographical point of view - and provided the local political will is there - states with considerable coastlines and states with plenty of space inland, where it is also windy - but not too windy (no tornadoes or hurricanes please!) will be seen as the most likely places for the delegation to visit.
Because apart from producing and delivering very special parts as well as know how, DK simply cannot produce enough for a even a fraction of the US market - we are tied up in producing turbines for the EU projects in the North Sea, so it will be a matter of setting up production facilities in USA under some sort of license or joint venture, which will supply the US market.

- So based on that, it's up to you, our resident Americans, to judge which US states will be most interested in such production and as such be a part of this and future follow-up visits by M&F.

I don't really expect M&F to visit the White House, but they will no doubt visit Washington to pay their respect to the US government at some level. That's common diplomatic courtesy. The higher level that M&F are received, the higher the export orders are likely to be.

 

[Izzie]

Absolutely.

Danish Export and Danish Commerce are salivating at the opportunities!

And if the planning by the Ministry of Trade for a visit to USA involving M&F isn't already well underway, it will be soon.
I would be extremely surprised if there isn't such a visit to USA within two years, max. - I would also be extremely annoyed, as a taxpayer, if such a visit did not take place. That would IMO be nothing short of incompetence.

The interesting thing is of course where such a visit would take place.
I would imagine California would be high on the list, due to that state having a high profile in regards to the environment.
From an outsider's perspective and given the polarized political climate in USA these years, I would imagine that some states will be cultivated more by the Danish delegation than others.
From a geographical point of view - and provided the local political will is there - states with considerable coastlines and states with plenty of space inland, where it is also windy - but not too windy (no tornadoes or hurricanes please!) will be seen as the most likely places for the delegation to visit.
Because apart from producing and delivering very special parts as well as know how, DK simply cannot produce enough for a even a fraction of the US market - we are tied up in producing turbines for the EU projects in the North Sea, so it will be a matter of setting up production facilities in USA under some sort of license or joint venture, which will supply the US market.

- So based on that, it's up to you, our resident Americans, to judge which US states will be most interested in such production and as such be a part of this and future follow-up visits by M&F.

I don't really expect M&F to visit the White House, but they will no doubt visit Washington to pay their respect to the US government at some level. That's common diplomatic courtesy. The higher level that M&F are received, the higher the export orders are likely to be.

California is most certainly an option high on the list given the extensive coastline and being very aggressive re climate change. Plus, not only do we have the coastline...there are also windmills working in the desert (you can see them on the way to Palm Springs). We have a bit of everything. Washington State may be another possibility as well...maybe Oregon...that covers the entire west coast!! Not sure, but maybe Nevada with it's windy deserts! I will add the City of Chicago to the list...they have water access and one of the windiest cities in the US (if not THE windiest!). So there are just some quick examples! NYC and/or DC would be expected I believe.

IMO, IF a visit is to take place, I would do it sooner rather than later before the 2024 elections just in case there is a change in Administration (that may have less of a commitment to the environment and climate change issues). Heck, at this point, I wish they would visit before the upcoming November midterm elections!!

 

[Izzie]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask but here goes:

So, curious question. Now that Prince Charles has become king (at the ripe old age of 73!!) does that NOW make Frederik the longest "heir-in-waiting" at 50 years as Crown Prince and the oldest one at 54? Is he NOW the new Prince Charles?

 

[Curryong]

Yes, but Crown Prince Haakon of Norway isn’t far behind him at 49.

 

[Muhler]

Not sure if this is the right place to ask but here goes:

So, curious question. Now that Prince Charles has become king (at the ripe old age of 73!!) does that NOW make Frederik the longest "heir-in-waiting" at 50 years as Crown Prince and the oldest one at 54? Is he NOW the new Prince Charles?

How old is Haakon?
Otherwise I think he is.

Well, if QMII lives just as long as QEII and she does not abdicate, he will basically be another "Prince Charles". With the Danes at some point switching their main interest to Christian, just as we have seen something similar in UK, where W&K very much have been seen as the "heirs" by a increasing number of the general public.

 

[theroyalfly]

Now that Prince Charles has become king (at the ripe old age of 73!!) does that NOW make Frederik the longest "heir-in-waiting" at 50 years as Crown Prince and the oldest one at 54? Is he NOW the new Prince Charles?

Yes, he is.

Yes, but Crown Prince Haakon of Norway isn’t far behind him at 49.

Apparently, CP Haakon only became an heir apparent in 1991 while CP Frederik became an heir apparent to Queen MII in 1972.

Runners-up would be CP Victoria in 1980 and HP Alois of Liechtenstein who's same age as CP Frederik and became an heir apparent to his father in 1989.

 

[Izzie]

How old is Haakon?
Otherwise I think he is.

Well, if QMII lives just as long as QEII and she does not abdicate, he will basically be another "Prince Charles". With the Danes at some point switching their main interest to Christian, just as we have seen something similar in UK, where W&K very much have been seen as the "heirs" by a increasing number of the general public.

Haakon is currently 49. However, he has not been Crown Prince as long as Frederik. Frederik became the heir in 1972 at the age of only 3 years old!

And yes the "Prince Charles Syndrome" as I will call it is what happens when a monarch lives a very long life and the heir is left to wait and wait all the way past his/her prime years. Now Charles becomes king at 73 years old with alot of settled dust.

Maybe Frederik should invest in a feather duster and a comfy couch. I'd hate to start to see the headlines of how Frederik should just be skipped over for Christian. 50 years as heir and counting.

 

[Muhler]

Well, to me it's not really a question about how old they are or how long they have waited.

To me the most relevant questions are when the heir are in their prime and seen as being ready to take over by the public.
For Frederik that started when he was about 50.

For King Charles, he was in his prime (work wise and experience and so on) about 25 years ago. Whether he was seen to be ready to take over by the general public back then is quite another question, which I not being British feel hesitant about answering.

Victoria is entering her prime for real about now and the public (that's my impression) is feeling that she is about ready to take over.

The circumstances in Norway are of course different, due to Mette-Marit's illness and the time needed for preparing Ingrid. There I think it's a matter of having as many working royals around as possible, buying time for Ingrid.

 

[Curryong]

I think that’s the penalty of having a Queen regnant mother who married, had her first son early and has proved long-lived while her heir gets older. Edward VII was considered an old man by the standards of the times when he came to the throne at nearly sixty, after Victoria’s death. There may be more of these bottlenecks in the future as people live to a great age now normally.

 

[Biri]

I think that’s the penalty of having a Queen regnant mother who married, had her first son early and has proved long-lived while her heir gets older. Edward VII was considered an old man by the standards of the times when he came to the throne at nearly sixty, after Victoria’s death. There may be more of these bottlenecks in the future as people live to a great age now normally.

But in case of monarchs also abdication becomes more and more "normal"