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Old 06-19-2016, 01:46 PM
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For various reasons which I haven't got time for right now. My guess, because that's what it is, says at most there is a 15% chance of QMII abdicating within the next five years.
After five years that number drops.
mulher, do you mean that after 5 years that number would increase, instead of drop, as QM gets older?
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No, I mean drop. To 10 % or less.

QMII is 76 and a heavy smoker. She is not a physically active as she used to be - I.e. dancing ballet.

Regardless there would in my estimation be around 5 % probability of QMII abdicating within five years.
That is if she become more or less paralyzed after a fall or a seizure. Or she is diagnosed with an irreversible medical condition - Alzheimer, dementia and so on.
In such a situation I believe she would feel it was okay to abdicate, because her time is running out and she will be increasingly unable to fulfill her duty.
That figure is IMO a constant and will also be valid ten years from now.
(Statistically speaking all Danes have an average 1 % chance of dying every year. Since QMII is now 76 that figure must have gone up to 2-3 % if not more. M&F in comparison probably have 0.5 % or less chance of dying each year.)

The remaining 10 % cover the many reasons why QMII, apart from her health, may decide to abdicate.
That goes from wishing to pass on the mantle while Frederik is still in his prime, and sparing him the sorrow of becoming king, while at the same time loosing his mother.
Perhaps to prevent Frederik from doing a Prince Charles - i.e. waiting forever.
To a wish from her to perhaps look after and care for PH.
Or losing the spark after PH's death.
- All sorts of reasons we can possibly come up with.

However if that does not happen within the next five years. Then QMII will be 81 and an abdication really doesn't make that much a difference anyway.
It will also be a very clear indication that QMII genuinely intends to stay on the throne until she dies, no matter what!
Because right now Frederik is as ready as he can be.

We can discuss forever whether QMII in that case is selfish or merely adhering to an old tradition.

Personally I believe there are times when you should make room for others to take over. And that I think is something QMII should consider these years.
Because Frederik has been groomed all his life for becoming a king and he is ready. The opinion polls point to the general public thinking that as well.
Also, with modern healthcare there is a very good chance of QMII living past 90.
By then Frederik will be in his 60's and past his prime. And we will be looking to Christian.

Monarchs were not expected to live that long. So while there was always the danger of a monarch dying too young, most heirs nevertheless took over while they were still in their prime.
With an average lifespan closing in on 100, for those below 60 today, medical breakthroughs within the next decade could very well result in say M&F living well past 100.
So we need to rethink the concept of: The king is dead, long live the king, or heirs in their 70's and 80's will become the rule rather than the exception.

And I would like the day Frederik become king to be happy day for him. With his mother standing behind him beaming like a beacon from pride.

But QMII is of the old school and that's why I believe there is a 85 % chance of her not abdicating within the next five years.
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Prince Henrik and Prince Joachim handed out the Europa Nostra Prize 2016 (the European Union Prize for Cultural Heritage) on the royal yacht Dannebrog today, June 29:



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Old 06-29-2016, 01:45 PM
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Thanks, Iceflower.

With our Marie being at a course, it's logic Joachim is still in DK.
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Old 06-29-2016, 01:58 PM
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And I would like the day Frederik become king to be happy day for him. With his mother standing behind him beaming like a beacon from pride.

But QMII is of the old school and that's why I believe there is a 85 % chance of her not abdicating within the next five years.
This, to me, is the best view and reasoning for an abdication of a monarch. It enables a transition period where the baton is passed on to the heir yet the abdicating monarch is still very much a part of the monarchy, ready to assist and advise her heir and in general, take time to just breathe easier, enjoy the life around her knowing her legacy is well stabilized into the future. Its kind of like painting a picture then being able to sit back, relax and enjoy the emotions that picture evokes.

I think as the years pass, the old school sentiment of duty until death will pass as the younger generations realize that sometimes duty is knowing when its time to throw in the towel, hang up the gloves, put down the paintbrush and like a seasoned farmer, enjoy the harvest they've sowed and cared for.

It may not happen with the older monarchs and heirs such as Margrethe, Elizabeth and perhaps even Charles but I do think it will be a more acceptable thing in future years to come.
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Old 06-29-2016, 03:24 PM
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I think that her Majesty prefers being Queen as Prince Henrik is still alive.
He seems such a strange man !
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I don't know if a new thread should be started but a press release was sent out regarding the DRF and the Rio Olympics.

Frederik and Mary are going, but also Joachim and Marie. It will be nice seeing these 4 together in some events.

They will be not just attending the Rio Olympics but also have some events regarding Danish business and organizations (a win-win)

"D.K.H. The Crown Prince and Crown Princess and D.K.H. Prince Joachim and Princess Marie will to changing times be present at the Olympic Games in 2016 in Brazil, among others to attend the Danish athletes' performance.
The Olympic Games will be held from 5 August to 21 August 2016th
Crown Prince Couple and Prince Joachim and Princess Marie participating Tuesday, August 2 in the opening of the Danish pavilion and Wednesday, August 3 at a gala dinner on Training Ship DENMARK. Friday, August 5th attends Crown Prince Couple and Prince Joachim and Princess Marie opening ceremony at the Olympic Stadium."

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Crown Prince Couple's program

The Crown Prince Couple participate Thursday, August 4th in IOC President's dinner.
The Crown Prince will also in his capacity as a member of the International Olympic Committee to participate in various activities with the Committee, including the IOC general meeting on 2nd-5th August. The Crown Prince Saturday, August 13 in the official Danish Rio 2016 reception attended by among other Olympic athletes.

The Crown Princess participates Wednesday, August 3 at the Institute of Child Development's official event.

Prince Joachim and Princess Marie's program
Prince Joachim and Princess Marie participating on July 29 at lunch on the occasion of the Scandinavian Club 'Northern Lights' 125th anniversary and the gala dinner on the occasion of the Danish-Brazilian Chamber of Commerce's 70th anniversary in São Paulo.
Thursday, August 4th participant Prince Joachim and Princess Marie as guests of honor in concert with the Danish Radio Choir and will be from 5 to 8 August attend various sports competitions.

Details of the royal family program are published regularly in the royal family's calendar.

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I don't know if a new thread should be started but a press release was sent out regarding the DRF and the Rio Olympics.
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thank you.
Although the DRF will have other events during this time in Brazil and not just the Olympics like the Danish pavilion, chamber of commerce, etc.
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Any non-Olympics events in Brazil can just go in the relevant current events threads.
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Old 07-07-2016, 09:33 PM
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. . . . . So we need to rethink the concept of: The king is dead, long live the king, or heirs in their 70's and 80's will become the rule rather than the exception.

And I would like the day Frederik become king to be happy day for him. With his mother standing behind him beaming like a beacon from pride.

But QMII is of the old school and that's why I believe there is a 85 % chance of her not abdicating within the next five years.
I agree on both counts. Does anyone know of a reigning royal abdicating because of dementia or alzheimers?
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I don't believe they would be allowed to. For abdication I believe they have to be of sound mind to make the decision. Certainly regents have served when monarchs in the past have been mentally incapacitated.

With the lack of any real power/role I don't really see the need for abdication. But perhaps the root the Lichtensteins take could be considered by the old guard. They don't abdicate but they slowly hand over the reigns. Hans Adam is officially head of state but his son Alois is regent, and runs the every day (in 2004). In 1984 his father did the same thing, Hans Adam becoming regent though not head of state until his dad died in 1989. Then again the Lichs actually have power. are more than figureheads.
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I don't know if a new thread should be started but a press release was sent out regarding the DRF and the Rio Olympics.

Frederik and Mary are going, but also Joachim and Marie. It will be nice seeing these 4 together in some events.

They will be not just attending the Rio Olympics but also have some events regarding Danish business and organizations (a win-win)

"D.K.H. The Crown Prince and Crown Princess and D.K.H. Prince Joachim and Princess Marie will to changing times be present at the Olympic Games in 2016 in Brazil, among others to attend the Danish athletes' performance.
The Olympic Games will be held from 5 August to 21 August 2016th
Crown Prince Couple and Prince Joachim and Princess Marie participating Tuesday, August 2 in the opening of the Danish pavilion and Wednesday, August 3 at a gala dinner on Training Ship DENMARK. Friday, August 5th attends Crown Prince Couple and Prince Joachim and Princess Marie opening ceremony at the Olympic Stadium."

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the Olympics are coming up and the DRF have a number of events prior to the opening ceremony. Joachim and Marie have one on the 29th so they should be traveling today or tomorrow.

more information on the Danish Pavilion which have received a donation and support from the Crown Prince Couple Fund
Royal støtte til dansk fremstød i Rio | VisitDenmark default news
Den Danske Pavillon spiller op til dans | VisitDenmark
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Tomorrow August 2 is the Opening of the Danish Pavilion in Rio
Frederik, Mary, Joachim and Marie will attend.

"It is the Crown Prince, who conducts the opening of the Danish Pavilion in Rio de Janeiro, during the Olympic Games is the setting for a Danish business promotion within the business, culture, sports and tourism...
The Danish Pavilion found on Ipanema Beach in Rio de Janeiro and aims to strengthen international awareness of Denmark and generate interest for Danish solutions."
Åbning af Den Danske Pavillon i Rio | Kongehuset

Denmark greets guests on Ipanema Beach with über-chic designer pavilion during the Rio 2016 Olympic Games | VisitDenmark default news
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Thanks Polyesco!!

I hope children is there too!! Maybe Frederik and Mary bring them too!!
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Thanks Polyesco!!

I hope children is there too!! Maybe Frederik and Mary bring them too!!
CP Frederik said in an interview before going to Rio that the children will stay home in Denmark :)
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CP Frederik said in an interview before going to Rio that the children will stay home in Denmark :)
yes. Its a shame that school starts next week for the kids, im sure they would have enjoyed the games.

a video from BilledBladet with images from past olympics and the DRF.
VIDEO: For kronprinsfamilien er OL noget helt særligt | BILLED-BLADET
(its in Danish but the pictures were nice)
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Today is the official opening of the Danish Pavillion

you can follow it here. Joachim's kids are with the couple. Frederik is in charge of the official opening along with Mary
https://twitter.com/visitdenmark/sta...72307940941824

Henrik with some nice pink pants He also helped uncle Frederik cut the cord. And we see Mary and Marie having a nice chat after the speeches

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picture of the family
https://www.instagram.com/p/BInFqvVD...by=dinacultura
notice Joachim's bright red shoes

Marie and Felix
https://www.instagram.com/p/BIm_gZuDYXv/

Mary is patron of the Cultural Institute of Denmark
http://www.dinacultura.org/mary-as-p...ral-institute/

more photos
Royal visit at the #danish Pavilion opening and #Lego House!
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Co3Vp04WIAAt9_h.jpg

Mary
https://www.instagram.com/p/BInNrlHjmrH/

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"Amazed with the beauty and simpathy of Denmark princess. Welcome the world in Rio. Denmark house"
Mary and Frederik at the opening
https://www.instagram.com/p/BIm-_ylg...y=alinehaeckel


"On August 2, 2016, Danish Crown Prince Frederik and his wife of Denmark Princess Mary of Denmark along with Princess Marie, her husband Danish Prince Joachim and his sons, Prince Nikolai, Prince Felix, Prince Henrik, and Princess Athena attended the Denmark Pavilion opening in Rio de Janeiro, Brazil."

beautiful photo of Mary and Henrik, what a nice smile by Frederik too
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-oiWbXehCx...h-Royals-1.jpg

Joachim and family
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-QtwovZfS-...h-Royals-2.jpg
https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZH1LH6ro3...h-Royals-3.jpg

all 8
https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-BZtpwq6s1...h-Royals-5.jpg

Frederik with Henrik cutting the ribbon
http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Re...YMPICS-RIO.JPG

wonderful photo of all 8 at the Danish Pavilion opening in Rio
http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Re...YMPICS-RIO.JPG

http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Re...YMPICS-RIO.JPG
http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Re...YMPICS-RIO.JPG
http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Re...YMPICS-RIO.JPG

"Looking forward to more wins for girls with gender champion Crown Princess Mary of Denmark"
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Co3ueu7WgAA0I1F.jpg

article from BB
http://www.billedbladet.dk/kongelige...liehygge-i-rio
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i think thus far the danish royal family gets the trophy for the most committed royal family for the rio 2016 olympics (in representation at least) - the complete young generation of 2 princes, 2 princesses, and even 4 children in attendance!
i wonder if frederik and mary considered taking their children to rio too, like joachim and marie? it would have been nice to see both families together.
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agree but not only to the Olympics but also to Denmark itself by visiting Danish Commerce and now this Pavilion (supported by the Kronprinsparret fund) that highlights "the best of Danish culture, business, sports and tourism, highlight Danish core values and competencies".
Denmark on Ipanema Beach 2016 | A Danish export drive to increase knowledge of Denmark during the Olympic Games 2016
A great tie in with the Olympics
It also looks like Mary attended an event with the UN Women executive director

Tomorrow the 2 couples will be visiting the Training Ship Denmark.

short video interview of Frederik in Brazil
Kronprins Frederik til OL: Hele verden vil Rio - TV 2

"Crown Prince Frederik is also a member of the International Olympic Committee (IOC), where he was elected in 2009, where he was in the days to attend the IOC general meeting in Rio.
But then the crown prince thus help to promote Danish export and business facing potential investors and business associates who might be in Rio. It is estimated that about half a million people will flock to the Brazilian capital during the Olympics.
Business promotion takes place at the Danish Pavilion, located in one of Rio's beaches. The pavilion is the result of cooperation with VisitDenmark and Business and Growth Ministry. At the Olympics in London, Denmark had a similar pavilion, which attracted some 250,000 visitors."

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http://www.dr.dk/sporten/ol/rio2016/...avillion-i-rio
Joachim and Marie got a chance to take a bike ride
http://asset.dr.dk/imagescaler/?file...bgColor=000000
and the kids too
http://asset.dr.dk/imagescaler/?file...bgColor=000000

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more photos especially of the bike ride with Joachim and Family
http://www.bt.dk/ol/den-royale-famil...ette-danskerne
"The great Danish pavilion is destined to promote Denmark during the Games in Rio, it features a Lego exhibition and city bikes. The latter jumped Prince Joachim, Princess Marie and the younger generation up to the local Brazilian beach guest gaping in front of an army of both Danish and foreign cameramen."

nice greeting between the 2 couples
http://a.bt.bmcdn.dk/media/cache/res...286-ol2016.jpg
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