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Old 01-03-2011, 05:42 AM
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i would'n infer anything about anybody's look depending just on pics, which fix eternally the expression a person had for just one second.
I agree, and I never base a judgement on a single picture. But there are about 20 pictures of Fred at that event and he does not look sober. His eyes are red - not tiredness red - and the expression on his face isn't just happy, it's "merry". Fred is a very seasoned drinker - and I honestly think it doesn't help to make excuses for him. He is also thin. Of course this is conjecture, but no-one who is straight and sober looks like that!
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Old 01-03-2011, 05:54 AM
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i understand what you are saying and also - if I can add that - i appreciate that you are saying it out of concern and not out of spite or just for trashing him. i guess that this is the way to discuss things.

just two things:
one, as said before, the anti-monarchic media or the scandal tabloid would surely point out such an issue, if only to sell more copies?; i mean, not even a headline about new year's binge, when in the past they tried to sell the story of a supposed betrayal on frederik's part based on a picture of him on a yatch with another woman next to him just leaving out of the picture all the other guests?
second: drunhard people tend to develop a body which is the opposite of frederik's - which is, not thin at all, especially in the belly, no matter how many abds you work out in the gym. on the contrary, he was able to close that uniform full of bottons from the chest down without it stretching anywhere. so i wouldn't know.
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Old 01-03-2011, 06:49 AM
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i understand what you are saying and also - if I can add that - i appreciate that you are saying it out of concern and not out of spite or just for trashing him. i guess that this is the way to discuss things.
Absolutely out of concern! Thanks for not misunderstanding, Eliz. I remember Prince Charles' friend once saying that no-one ever criticised him. People of royal privilege generally aren't criticised by their immediate circle. Frederik comes from a culture where hard drinking has always been tolerated - historically. He is a sailor. They drink hard. He has access to a lot of money - and temptations. He has a history of being a sensitive and thoughtful person and has suffered depression. I believe he is actually vulnerable to alcohol, and if that's the case I hope his nearest and dearest are able to intervene. Unfortunately, families often 1. feel powerless (yes, even royals) 2. don't know what to do or 3. often go into denial. There is no reason to think that a royal family would necessarily act on a "difficult circumstance" - more so than the average family. The average family is often accidentally an "enabler" ...
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Old 01-03-2011, 07:15 AM
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Sorry to be blunt, but I don't think it is going to help Fred to deny that he turns up to occasions looking drunk or even stoned. His eyes are red here - and if that's the result of too much drinking, rather than getting stoned - that doesn't make it OK. It's an abuse of a privileged position not to take it seriously enough to NOT overindulge ahead of an event like this. Remember, this is Frederik AT WORK. If you or I turned up at work looking like this, there would be hell to pay.
I agree, unless Fred has a severe case of conjunctivitis, his eyes were really bloodshot. It's true a picture captures only a second of time, but that's regarding emotions and expressions portrayed in the picture, ie Charles and Di's balcony kiss, in a picture it looks so passionate, esp the way di leans over, in reality it lasted a split second
you either have bloodshot eyes or you don't!
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Old 01-03-2011, 08:10 AM
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I agree, unless Fred has a severe case of conjunctivitis, his eyes were really bloodshot. It's true a picture captures only a second of time, but that's regarding emotions and expressions portrayed in the picture, ie Charles and Di's balcony kiss, in a picture it looks so passionate, esp the way di leans over, in reality it lasted a split second
you either have bloodshot eyes or you don't!
I can assure you that the danish press would be all over him if there was any indication as his brother Joachim

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Old 01-03-2011, 08:28 AM
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hahaha, this is a very funny picture. Thank you Duke.
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:27 AM
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I feel pity with the prince consort Henrik.

In some way he is too concerned with titels.

Besides his grey area nobility, he also wanted to change his titel from prince to prince consort some years ago.

It is difficult for me to understand.
I think he even wanted to be called "King consort" (he does have a point because his female counterparts' title is "Queen consort") and he did a primadonna when his son Frederik was appointed host during one of the New Year acts when his mother was absent. He went to Caix and his wife finally had to go and persuade him to come back
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:35 AM
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I can assure you that the danish press would be all over him if there was any indication as his brother Joachim

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I didn't say he was hungover or anything else, I just pointed out that his eyes were red. Could be Isabella kept him up with an upset tummy...
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:35 AM
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Well, Benedikte is right that the press would definetly mention it, if Fred would have a problem with drinking or anything even remotely in the direction

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I didn't say he was hungover or anything else, I just pointed out that his eyes were red. Could be Isabella kept him up with an upset tummy...
You didn't but others said it
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Old 01-03-2011, 10:46 AM
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I think he even wanted to be called "King consort" (he does have a point because his female counterparts' title is "Queen consort") and he did a primadonna when his son Frederik was appointed host during one of the New Year acts when his mother was absent. He went to Caix and his wife finally had to go and persuade him to come back
I think he really has a need to be acknowledged.

And I think Denmark in time would have respected him if he just didn't get the temper tantrums.

The one where he told the press that he was nr. 2 and not nr. 3 was a big temper tantrum.

But also in the 11 hour documentary I think QMII looks worried on several occasions that he wil be angry.
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Old 01-03-2011, 12:00 PM
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I wonder if his is a photoshop of one funny photographer?
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Old 01-03-2011, 12:12 PM
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Sorry to be blunt, but I don't think it is going to help Fred to deny that he turns up to occasions looking drunk or even stoned. His eyes are red here - and if that's the result of too much drinking, rather than getting stoned - that doesn't make it OK. It's an abuse of a privileged position not to take it seriously enough to NOT overindulge ahead of an event like this. Remember, this is Frederik AT WORK. If you or I turned up at work looking like this, there would be hell to pay.

It should be not just noticed, but discussed. I think Mary has in many ways been a real saviour for Fred - but if he's still looking trashed at an event six years into his marriage and with two more kids on the way, there's something seriously wrong with his attitude. I say: grow up and face reality, Crown Prince Frederik!
Accusations like this shouldn't be posted as fact. Where are you getting the information to support any of this?
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Old 01-03-2011, 12:16 PM
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Accusations like this shouldn't be posted as fact. Where are you getting the information to support any of this?
Very well put. I do agree.
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Old 01-03-2011, 02:58 PM
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Accusations like this shouldn't be posted as fact. Where are you getting the information to support any of this?
I do agree, Emmily BUT: Its a fact that - for whatever reason - Frederik has been looking ill/worn out/exhausted/unhealthy for a while now. The time period is too long to explain his bad looks with a cold or two demanding kids at home, there are lots of pictures out there for people to see that something is not right, what it is I dont know and I dont want to speculate.

The fact that the media is not picking up on the topic is not unusual. Just because they were all over Joachim doesnt mean they will be all over the heir as well. Even in Britain the tabloids kept quiet about what many insiders knew for years, in this case the failure of Prince Charles' marriage. Sometimes they have their reasons to keep quiet.
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I do agree, Emmily BUT: Its a fact that - for whatever reason - Frederik has been looking ill/worn out/exhausted/unhealthy for a while now. The time period is too long to explain his bad looks with a cold or two demanding kids at home, there are lots of pictures out there for people to see that something is not right, what it is I dont know and I dont want to speculate.

The fact that the media is not picking up on the topic is not unusual. Just because they were all over Joachim doesnt mean they will be all over the heir as well. Even in Britain the tabloids kept quiet about what many insiders knew for years, in this case the failure of Prince Charles' marriage. Sometimes they have their reasons to keep quiet.
I do not believe for one second that Frederik is drinking as has been hinted.
I don't believe he is ill either.

My personal guess is that he occasionally has problems with insomnia. And, like me, has learned that while that's no big deal when you are in your 20's and 30's, once you are past 40, you really need your sleep.
And Frederik doesn't strike me as a person, who is particularly willing to use sleeping pills.
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I do not believe for one second that Frederik is drinking as has been hinted.
I don't believe he is ill either.

My personal guess is that he occasionally has problems with insomnia. And, like me, has learned that while that's no big deal when you are in your 20 and 30's, but once you are past 40, you really need your sleep.
it may well be the case, muhler. but something is not right, thats for sure.
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I don't know anything about Fredrick. But flashbulbs sometimes can make your eyes red. The Queen has beautiful jewelry. I also thought that Marie look very nice.
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Old 01-03-2011, 04:36 PM
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My personal guess is that he occasionally has problems with insomnia. And, like me, has learned that while that's no big deal when you are in your 20's and 30's, once you are past 40, you really need your sleep.
Ha, it's funny how we all bring our own experiences to these things... I've thought for some time now that Frederik has allergies, because I have them myself and know the look that Frederik has sometimes very well. I never had them until a couple years ago but now I'm sure if people were taking pictures of me as often as they do Frederik they'd see the same red, swollen eyes and overall congested look. Anti histamines help but often make me feel loopy so sometimes there's not much to be done except deal with it.
But who can tell, maybe I'm actually a closet alcoholic!!
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Old 01-03-2011, 04:59 PM
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well, as for frederik looking terrible, worn out, exausted... in these pics i, personally speaking, can't see anything of this.
i see a very fit (look at his uniform, it is extremely difficult to wear since it has so many buttons and well, none of them is stretching!) fortysomething with red eyes. also his position might have smth to do with it: if you pay due attention, you'll see he's looking at the camera sideways, and his left eye appears quite red in the corner nearer the nose, where almost everybody's eyes are very red.
as for the papers being more cautious with the heir, i don't think so. a juicy piece of gossip about frederik is bound to have much more effects than any story about joachim. to sell much more copies. why not even a witty remark about the chance of too many toasts to new year? judging from my personal experience in italy, the higher the target the better, and no piece of news, however comprmising, left out out of good hearth (which means, the papers being silent abou frederik's problems bc they are worried about him? forget it!)
and there's also the question of frederik's overall physical appearence. he has not got the drunkhard tummy, for sure.
insomnia might be a good guess, or more likely a disodered pattern of sleeping.
i think that with the bear he looks grungier, which some people might translate as worn out.
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Old 01-03-2011, 05:12 PM
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Accusations like this shouldn't be posted as fact. Where are you getting the information to support any of this?
I said in an earlier post that of course it's conjecture. It doesn't do Frederik any service to gag discussion. If he has no drinking problem and no personal problems well that's a good thing! But the photos often contradict that assertion, and there are only so many excuses for turning up at work with red eyes and too much of an "extra merry" demeanor. What Fred does in his private time is of course his business (and his family's).
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