The Danish Monarchy: Is it worth it? Nationalism or a National Waste?

[sjetajiem]

Originally Posted by Villemann

I think you have to live OUTSIDE Denmark to call it the "Happiest place on earth." When it comes to our monarchy, we could have not only the oldest monarchy in the world, but also the best. Yes, we are back to substance! I love my royal family and I want them to carry on, BUT not at any cost. As a subject, I want to be taken seriously by my monarch and her family. I could list a thousand reasons, why it is so tough being a Danish royalist at the moment! I do envy the Dutch!

It is clear, I am not a monarchist but I can understand your point.
One suggestion: it would be great if you would donate the proceeds of your book to a good cause!!!

[dm2]

I don't follow the Danish royals very much, but I would like to know- for those members that object to Villeman earning money from writing about the Danish royals - do you expect the money from the book about Crownprince Frederik to go to the authors of the book or one of the crownprince's charities? This question may have already beeen answered, I have not read this entire thread.

[sjetajiem]

It would be great to give it to charity, but I don't expect it!!!

[Villemann]

Originally Posted by dm2

I don't follow the Danish royals very much, but I would like to know- for those members that object to Villeman earning money from writing about the Danish royals - do you expect the money from the book about Crownprince Frederik to go to the authors of the book or one of the crownprince's charities? This question may have already beeen answered, I have not read this entire thread.

Actually, the issue of sharing whatever profit I might make on my book was something I thought long and hard about. I was considering donating some of the proceeds to Mary's foundation or perhaps Frederik's, but when I looked back at other royal authors and could not find any information in their books suggesting ,they had given any of their profits to charity, I abandoned that idea. In the end, I did give some to charity - I supported a very worthwhile cause, but I consider that a private matter. However, the question, I think should be asked is this: When the royals do talk to authors and these authors sell lots of books, shouldn't the royals insist that some of the proceeds go to charities. Isn't that also a way, the royals can "do good?" Don't get me wrong: I think it is okay to make money writing books. It is a lot of hard work, but CP Frederik could have made a statement by making sure, that his charities also benefitted from the new book about him.

[marmi]

Quote:
I'm all for a Monarchy with substance,and thank goodness,the one I live in is about that instead of catwalk cats,what about yours dear?

Don't you believe that is an extremely bizarre question to ask an American? Let me answer for you: Why yes, yes it is.

True, but it lightened the thread up a bit - very much needed at times so thank you for that.

It is a lot of hard work, but CP Frederik could have made a statement by making sure, that his charities also benefitted from the new book about him.

I have no idea about this, but: Do we know for a fact that he didn't?

I think it differs from one country to another.

As do I, though never having been to any of them, I hardly feel I can say any more.

(though I personally think Mary outshines her husband).

I agree, and I have read it in other places on this forum too. I think that that will make things interesting when Frederik is King and she is Queen Consort


And finally, with regards to the relative importance of royal weddings, christenings etc - I think that they are important, that in todays media age it would be surprising for them not to be broadcast on TV, but thats just my two cents

[Polly]

Originally Posted by marmi

And finally, with regards to the relative importance of royal weddings, christenings etc - I think that they are important, that in todays media age it would be surprising for them not to be broadcast on TV, but thats just my two cents

And it's mine, too. These occasions are part of the normal social fabric for those of us living in constitutional monarchies.

[lucien]

Originally Posted by Villemann

Well, you better read up on your Danish royals, then! It is a fact, that Benedikte's REGISTERED address is at Amalienborg palace and not in Berleburg, Germany. May I suggest, you check out "Margrethe" from 2005, where Queen Margrethe herself explains, where Benedikte formally lives?



I have NEVER pretended to speak on behalf of ALL Danes - but I am speaking on behalf of a GROWING number opf Danes!

Yes,well,so? HRH Princess Benedikte is still a working member of the Danish RF,so yes,her danish address is at Amalienborg,yes,so what? As you claim you're such a wise crack with so much info from within the Palace,you also should be aware of the fact that HRH still is Regent in case her sister The Queen and her son the Crown Prince are abroad.



<GT edited out a personal jab which adds nothing to the discourse whatsoever.>

[GlitteringTiaras]

I am seriously disappointed with the lack of respect and the lack of intelligent adult behavior that some of you have displayed in this topic.

Again, I want to make something very clear to eveyone here: The discourse is not a question of whether or not you like or dislike a particular member of the DRF on a personal level it is about the system, Monarchy, on a whole not exclusive to the DRF (but since this topic is in this sub-forum, it is.)
Nor is this topic about a particular book, which by the way, has NOTHING to do with the main issue at hand!


Once again the main issue is:
Is the monarchy worth it? Nationalism or is a national waste in this day and age hence the 21st century? What is modernization to a monarchy if they continue with archaic traditions and can the two co-exsist or is it a false reality fueled by nationalism and cultural identity?

I am asking politely, if you cannot discuss this issue like a mature adult please do us all a favor and do not participate in this discourse.
It is really that simple.


Danish Mods

[lucien]

False reality?Nationalism?Exaggerated really.

History.Denmark,the oldest Monarchy in Europe deserves better then 10 pages with no outcome,there must be something really substantial/worthwhile why it is why our dear Denmark still has a Monarchy.It is one of my favorite hang-outs outside where I live,love the country,love wonderfull Copenhagen.Lived for a while at Dronningen Tvaergade,woke up to the music of the band accompanying the guards in the morning for the changing of the guards at Amalienborg around the corner,wonderfull,Rosenborg Slot at the other corner,it was "Monarchal" bliss as far as I'm concerned.As a history addict,I felt I was at the right place,for the time being.Denmark is drenched in history,it's Royal history,and really,try what you like,nothing can whipe that away,it's not another so-called throw away thing.

Monarchy deserves respect,that's all.Respect,re-inventing the wheel doesn't,
knowing what the subject is about does,milking it out re-peating same long overhauled views doesn't.

[GlitteringTiaras]

False reality? Nationalism? Exaggerated really.

Actually, it's not. Unless one is deliberately refraining from answering the questions. Re-read it again, Lucien, and think, think hard and analyze it.

As a history addict...

You're not the only one, Lucien, believe me. Now, again, can you give us your sincere perspective with out dancing around the inital questions?

Monarchy deserves respect

Yes, but why? Why do you believe that?

[lucien]

Originally Posted by GlitteringTiaras

Actually, it's not. Unless one is deliberately refraining from answering the questions. Re-read it again, Lucien, and think, think hard and analyze it.



You're not the only one, Lucien, believe me. Now, again, can you give us your sincere perspective with out dancing around the inital questions?

Your turn to re-read my previous posts,I already did on a previous page in this thread.Thank you.
Remember,the one you patted me on the back for?I am not by far dancing around the initial questions.

I could name a thousand reasons why I feel the Monarchy reserves respect,but then that would
mean I would deprive millions of Danes of a change to name the very same reasons right here.
Respect,is something you have to earn,you see.

[GlitteringTiaras]

I did. And you danced with your last post... that is the one I was referring too.

So, essentially, you gave us your opinion and you have no further comments, am I correct? Thank you, Lucien, for participating.

[lucien]

Originally Posted by GlitteringTiaras

I did. And you danced with your last post... that is the one I was referring too.

So, essentially, you gave us your opinion and you have no further comments, am I correct? Thank you, Lucien, for participating.

No,again,you are not correct by far.Thank you,If you know the answer to the initial question,please feel free to share that with us.

[sylla]

I read these boards mainly for entertainment value. It's nice to look at the dresses and tiaras and pomp and circumstance, but I am glad I don't have to foot the bill. I think I would be upset if I had to pay taxes to support their lifestyle, considering most royal houses have more money than I will ever see in a lifetime and can well afford to pay their own way. I would also be upset to have to pay for parties, weddings and so on, and not be invited. If the royal houses would cease to exist, oh well, life will go on.

[GlitteringTiaras]

Originally Posted by lucien

No,again,you are not correct by far.

Oh okay, Lucien.

Thank you,If you know the answer to the initial question,please feel free to share that with us

As a history buff, Lucien, you should know by now that there is no right or wrong answer hence opinions are not empirical facts.

If any monarchy is to survive it cannot behave in a cyclical manner... it must be linear.

[Madame Royale]

but I am glad I don't have to foot the bill

That's all good, but do you really think it's so different to the "bill" you must foot for your administrations and all they necessitate along the way? Of course it isn't. Kingdom's pay for Sovereigns and Republics pay for Presidents. The differences, in this regard, are often negligible at best...

[Elspeth]

Originally Posted by lucien

Your turn to re-read my previous posts,I already did on a previous page in this thread.Thank you.
Remember,the one you patted me on the back for?I am not by far dancing around the initial questions.

Well, she might remember, but the rest of us don't necessarily recall your getting patted on the back. So could you be a good chap and give us a clue?

I could name a thousand reasons why I feel the Monarchy reserves respect,but then that would
mean I would deprive millions of Danes of a change to name the very same reasons right here.

Feel free to deprive them...

Tell you what - why don't you name five, and leave the Danes to worry about the other 995.

Respect,is something you have to earn,you see.

But you just said that monarchy deserves it. Do you mean that monarchy has earned respect? And if so, does respect earned in the past necessarily translate to the future if monarchs in the future don't live up to their ancestors?

[sneeuwklokje]

I've been reading on this forum for a while and find it very interesting, especially the items that really are about something, like this one.
I call myself a monarchist and i think a royal family is something worth keeping as an institution. But I agree with the starter of this subject that the DRF really has to get their act more together. I mean, what is their image in the press?? Frederik is no doubt a very nice guy, but what does he do besides sailing, going on holiday, going to concerts?? Is there one subject that he has really sunken his teeth in (like e.g. W-A's watermanagement, Maxima's microcredit etc.?) There is Mary. Well, could someone please tell her that she is to become queen of Denmark and not queen of the catwalk??
Joachim, yet another example. Is jetset-farming a real profession nowadays?? I don't think so. Marie, well need I say more. A confessed party-chick who was clueless about what to do with her life and thinks that being a housewife at Schackenborg will do the trick. I hope so. I mean, where is the real involvement with this people? What do they do for the elder, the refugees, animal defence, you name it. I think the DRF needs an Anne, a Margriet, a Laurentien of their own, to proof to the Danish people that they are an institution worth keeping.

[Madame Royale]

Though judging by your post, you either pay alot of attention to tabloid trash or formulate an opinion backed by prejudice, because if it where that you actually new anything of substance about the Danish RF and their patronages, that your opinion would be less provocative and more actual in it's manner.

There is Mary. Well, could someone please tell her that she is to become queen of Denmark and not queen of the catwalk??

A very ignorant comment and one which is neither accurate or sensible.

And so we are all clear, the Dutch royal family are not up for comparison because within this thread, they matter not the slightest. I'm glade you rejoice your RF and the causes in which they are involved. It's been my observation that a great many Danes feel the same about their RF and with just cause to do so.

[Empress]

Right, that's it. This thread is closed until further notice.