The Danish Monarchy: Is it worth it? Nationalism or a National Waste?

[Madame Royale]

Originally Posted by Villemann

The royal tradition is, that unless the Queen gives her consent, a royal in line to the succession can not live abroad.

And yet, Princess Benedikte devides her time between both Denmark and Germany so it would seem such permission has been granted afterall (?) While it may not be her primary (official) place of residence, she does infact spend a good deal of time in Germany also.

[Lilla]

Originally Posted by Villemann

Benedikte's REGISTERED address is at Amalienborg palace and not in Berleburg, Germany. May I suggest, you check out "Margrethe" from 2005, where Queen Margrethe herself explains, where Benedikte formally lives?

I know Benedikte has her registered adress at Amalienborg - but she is living in Berleburg with her famely. It is common knowledge - and I don't find anything wrong in that.

[Villemann]

Originally Posted by Lilla

I know Benedikte has her registered adress at Amalienborg - but she is living in Berleburg with her famely. It is common knowledge - and I don't find anything wrong in that.

SO, why keep up the appearence of her living in Germany?Why can she not just be registered in Germany? Because she is part of the Danish succession. Does the monarchy really need her there? No, it doesn't. Let's end the succession after Joachim and set his sons and Benedikte and Elisabeth free to go and explore the world!

[Lilla]

Originally Posted by Villemann

but I am speaking on behalf of a GROWING number opf Danes!

Once again I simply don't agree with you. If you want to convince me - you have to state some statistical facts made upon scientific acknowledged surveys.

[Villemann]

Originally Posted by Madame Royale

And yet, Princess Benedikte devides her time between both Denmark and Germany so it would seem such permission has been granted afterall (?) While it may not be her primary (official) place of residence, she does infact spend a good deal of time in Germany also.

Actually, Princess Benedikte spends a lot of time in Denmark. On average probably two weeks in Denmark every month! No permission has been granted, because her official address is at Amalienborg palace, so no permission is needed.

[Madame Royale]

Let's end the succession after Joachim and set his sons and Benedikte and Elisabeth free to go and explore the world!

I can see the logic in that. Though perhaps after Nikolai and Felix. As grandchildren of the monarch, I think their place in succession should still be observed.

Actually, Princess Benedikte spends a lot of time in Denmark. On average probably two weeks in Denmark every month! No permission has been granted, because her official address is at Amalienborg palace, so no permission is needed.

An equal half, then.

I see. Thank you for replying

[Villemann]

Originally Posted by Lilla

Once again I simply don't agree with you. If you want to convince me - you have to state some statistical facts made upon scientific acknowledged surveys.

Well, you will probably NEVER believe me no matter what I write, so I won't bother with your "scientific surveys." Numbers can be used and abused, anyway! If you had followed the recent debate in Denmark concerning CP Frederik's IOC candidacy, you would know, what I am talking about..

[Amelia]

Let's end the succession after Joachim and set his sons and Benedikte and Elisabeth free to go and explore the world

There is not a single thing stopping them from doing that at the moment, there is nothing to stop Christian and Isabella from doing it in the future. All they have to do is just go -

[Villemann]

Originally Posted by Amelia

There is not a single thing stopping them from doing that at the moment, there is nothing to stop Christian and Isabella from doing it in the future. All they have to do is just go -

Yes, there is. If they want to keep their place in the succession, they have to have the Queen's consent. BUT if they go without her consent, they will loose their status as an heir to the Danish throne - the same way Frederik would have gained a wife, but lost a kingdom if he had persisted, gone against his mother's wishes and married Katja Storkholm.

[Lilla]

Originally Posted by Villemann

Why can she not just be registered in Germany? Because she is part of the Danish succession. Does the monarchy really need her there?

She still functions as "head of state" when Magrete, Frederik and Joachim isn't in Denmark. So she still fills out a role needed - though it isn't as often now, as it was when Frederik and Joakim were of age. During their childhood and youth she had a huge role in Denmark, beeing the only one who could step in as Head of State, when Queen Margeret was abroad. Just kicking her out now "as just another german" would be downright naughty.

[Villemann]

Originally Posted by Lilla

She still functions as "head of state" when Magrete, Frederik and Joachim isn't in Denmark. So she still fills out a role needed - though it isn't as often now, as it was when Frederik and Joakim were of age. During their childhood and youth she had a huge role in Denmark, beeing the only one who could step in as Head of State, when Queen Margeret was abroad. Just kicking her out now "as just another german" would be downright naughty.

"Just another German?" is that suitable in this forum? Are we not to refrain from any racial or national slurs?

[Lilla]

Originally Posted by Villemann

Well, you will probably NEVER believe me no matter what I write, so I won't bother with your "scientific surveys." Numbers can be used and abused, anyway! If you had followed the recent debate in Denmark concerning CP Frederik's IOC candidacy, you would know, what I am talking about..

Living in Denmark I have followed this very interesting debate and I like the idea of Frederik trying to modernise the monarcy - but at the same time this has political implications. Anyway, he would never be allowed to persue this line, if it had not in forhand been accepted and turned inside out by The Ministry of State. The royal house can hartly tip a toe without asking the permission of this minestry. So perhaps you chould bring your well-intentioned advice to them instead.

[Amelia]

Yes, there is. If they want to keep their place in the succession, they have to have the Queen's consent. BUT if they go without her consent, they will loose their status as an heir to the Danish throne

No there's not. They have a choice - be an heir to the throne or not, it all comes down to what is more important to them. They are all free to make that choice.

[Lilla]

Originally Posted by Villemann

"Just another German?" is that suitable in this forum? Are we not to refrain from any racial or national slurs?

Oh, I an sure the german members of this forum (and others for that sake) knows this frase is not ment to be malicious nither to them as individual nor to their charming and beautifull nation

[Villemann]

Originally Posted by Lilla

Living in Denmark I have followed this very interesting debate and I like the idea of Frederik trying to modernise the monarcy - but at the same time this has political implications. Anyway, he would never be allowed to persue this line, if it had not in forhand been accepted and turned inside out by The Ministry of State. The royal house can hartly tip a toe without asking the permission af this minestry. So perhaps you chould bring your well-intentioned advice to them instead.

The only thing - unfortunately - CP Frederik is trying to modernise at the moment is his access to a leisurely life style! The Prime Ministers office has a say and a deciding influence in political matters. The Prime Minister - unfortunately - can not ask the CP of Denmark to pull his fingers out!

[Villemann]

Originally Posted by Amelia

No there's not. They have a choice - be an heir to the throne or not, it all comes down to what is more important to them. They are all free to make that choice.

Free? Like in the "Duke of Windsor free," where he got his way, but lost almost all contact with his family?

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[Lilla]

Originally Posted by Villemann

The only thing - unfortunately - CP Frederik is trying to modernise at the moment is his access to a leisurely life style! The Prime Ministers office has a say and a deciding influence in political matters. The Prime Minister - unfortunately - can not ask the CP of Denmark to pull his fingers out!

Well living in a democracy you can write him a letter telling him, that you think he shouls do so. Just a surgestion as it seem to be quit an issue for you

It is not an issue for me

[Amelia]

Originally Posted by Villemann

Free? Like in the "Duke of Windsor free," where he got his way, but lost almost all contact with his family?

No not like "Duke of Windsor" free as I would hope they would make the choice before they were on the throne - more like Prince Michael free

[Madame Royale]

can not ask the CP of Denmark to pull his fingers out!

I'd like to think that if it were of any real concern, that Margrethe, as both mother and the incumbent sovereign, would extend to Frederik her concerns.

And let us remain mindful that none of us here, are privy to what is discussed between mother and son.