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Old 09-08-2015, 01:29 PM
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Perhaps, but that is typical Danish humor and it can be very harsh!
Lots of other jokes will surface the next few days.

I remember when Joachim and Alexandra married, and keep in mind that people were genuinely delighted and she was popular, but there were jokes as well.
A firecracker in Danish is called a "Chinese". - "Have you heard that there has been an attempt to bomb Joachim? No? There was, the police found a Chinese in his bed".
Exactly, danish humour at its best/worst.

And now the Countess again will be called a "fuser". I don´t know how to translate that word...
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Old 09-08-2015, 01:44 PM
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Now for some words from Alexandra. She has given an interview to the news agency Ritzau: Grevinde Alexandra om brud med Martin Jørgensen: Derfor skal vi skilles - Politiken.dk

Alexandra decided on the divorce.

"When you marry many feelings are involved and you hope it lasts for life, so it's a big and hard decision to make, but I have made that now.
We no longer share the same values and I couldn't see us having a future together.
When you can tell there is no common future and that there are some basic values we all have in a marriage, that becomes too different, then you have to take it up to account.

As the strong, loving mother I have always been to my children I will make sure they will be as little influenced by this as possible and we can make an every day life work.
I've considered this carefully and I have also through the process told the children some things, so it doesn't take them completely by surprise, so I think the children and I are well prepared to move on as best we can".

Countess Alexandra adds that she intends to stay in Denmark which she now considers her home.
She will stay in her current home and she will continue her work as usual.
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Old 09-08-2015, 01:45 PM
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This news does not come as a surprise to me. Countess Alexandra and Mr Jorgensen seemed to be a mismatch.
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Old 09-08-2015, 01:48 PM
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Indeed.I do hope they don't seperate for the very same reason.
There are always two to blame,at least that is what they say,
but is not always correct nor in line with the thruth though.
All divorces are sad, no matter what the reason. Outsiders will never know the full and correct reason [three sides to ever story]. Children of divorce will always carry their sadness throughout life no matter who, mother, father or step-parent, was at fault. A child doesn't really care. They don't want their lives disrupted [especially publically]. I do believe that within the year, we will see the reasons as current media will make sure all the gory details are made public. Prayers to those boys
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Old 09-08-2015, 02:37 PM
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Now for some words from Alexandra. She has given an interview to the news agency Ritzau: Grevinde Alexandra om brud med Martin Jørgensen: Derfor skal vi skilles - Politiken.dk

Alexandra decided on the divorce.

"When you marry many feelings are involved and you hope it lasts for life, so it's a big and hard decision to make, but I have made that now.
We no longer share the same values and I couldn't see us having a future together.
When you can tell there is no common future and that there are some basic values we all have in a marriage, that becomes too different, then you have to take it up to account.

As the strong, loving mother I have always been to my children I will make sure they will be as little influenced by this as possible and we can make an every day life work.
I've considered this carefully and I have also through the process told the children some things, so it doesn't take them completely by surprise, so I think the children and I are well prepared to move on as best we can".

Countess Alexandra adds that she intends to stay in Denmark which she now considers her home.
She will stay in her current home and she will continue her work as usual.

the fact the Alexandra decided on divorce, quoted as 'we don't share the same values any longer' doesnt sound good. She could have said the usual bla bla, we grew apart but are still best friends etc but she didn't. to me it sounds like cheating or worse was involved.

i didnt expect it to last, martin always had the image of the workshy toyboy but apparently he had a good relation to the boys. we'll see what happens, if nasty stories surface or he shows up with a much younger woman soon.

alex was always very sly about money, still lives off her ex' money, i am sure martin doesnt get a kroner out of this.
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My friends is already saying that "8 year is all she can hold (on to) a man"
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Old 09-08-2015, 03:00 PM
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Yeah, it sure is an interesting choice of words.

Here is something about their fortune: Det siger ægtepagten: Sådan skal Alex og Martin dele formuen - Royale | www.bt.dk

Alexandra and Martin have separate property, which means Martin has no claim on her house, which has risen from a sales price of around 5 million DKK to 18 million DKK today. So if she should sell, she would earn pretty well.
However, the tow of them own two luxury houses in a Turkish holiday resort and they might be split. One house has been put up for sale for a number of years now, and to finance that house Alexandra has a loan in her house in Copenhagen.

The first house, that is up for sale, was bought for 1.5 million DKK, while the second house was bought for 5 million DKK. But debt is tax-deductable and Alexandra has previously been very adept in utilizing tax-deductions. (I believe I posted an article about that some years ago).
So I guess Martin is the one who will suffer the most from this divorce. He may even have to work now.
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Old 09-08-2015, 03:04 PM
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Not that I expected it, but it didn't surprise me.

I don't have much interest in either Countess Alexandra or Martin, but I wish the best for both of them. It is not fun, especially not as it's now the second time Alexandra get divorced. Let's hope the press doesn't go berserk. Both for them and for us (really don't bother to hear about fuss, the only one who know the reason why is themselves)
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What sad news..hopefully the boys will be alright. For the majority of their lives, Martin has been the "father-figure" they have lived with ..especially Felix, as he was only 2-3 when his parents divorce.

Note, Im in no why trying to say that Joachim has not been a great father.

but Martin has been the next "live-in" parent along with their Mother.
Now with Nikolai growing up and moving out, Felix will be alone with his mother at home. Lots of changes for someone young.
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Old 09-08-2015, 03:13 PM
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He may even have to work now.
Just imagine that!

Alexandra's statement sounds bitter. I see Martin soon making headlines either with a much younger girl, probably baby news or another rich older lady to prevent him from working. It must be heaven for the danish tabloids, now they can have a go at him without having to fear a phone call from the royals.
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Old 09-08-2015, 03:18 PM
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Sad news, indeed. I hope this decision makes Alexandra happy – no point in trying to maintain something that is unsustainable in the long run, especially not if it doesn't make you happy. I wish them both the best of luck.

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What sad news..hopefully the boys will be alright. For the majority of their lives, Martin has been the "father-figure" they have lived with ..especially Felix, as he was only 2-3 when his parents divorce.

Note, Im in no why trying to say that Joachim has not been a great father.

but Martin has been the next "live-in" parent along with their Mother.
Now with Nikolai growing up and moving out, Felix will be alone with his mother at home. Lots of changes for someone young.
I wholeheartedly agree. A lot of things can be said about Martin but it's undeniable that Nikolai and Felix have been very fond of him and treated him like a second father.

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Plus that Alandra has gotten some criticism for not working enough for her apanage, alternatively for getting an apanage.
Which is absolutely ridiculous IMO. If she did more engagements and took on more patronages, she would be criticised for trying to steal Marie's thunder. Alexandra really can't win either way and that's sad.

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Perhaps, but that is typical Danish humor and it can be very harsh!
Lots of other jokes will surface the next few days...
"Danish humour" is a term often thrown around a bit too recklessly to get away with being unnecessarily rude because, oh, that's just "our" kind humour. Not only is there nothing funny about most "jokes" that have to be defended with an argument about it being "our" culture, to me, there's also nothing Danish about it.
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Old 09-08-2015, 03:21 PM
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I'm sad to hear this, but not terribly surprised: - I, too, thought they seem to be a bit of a mismatch. However, I certainly wish the best for everyone involved, especially the boys.
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Old 09-08-2015, 03:36 PM
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"Danish humour" is a term often thrown around a bit too recklessly to get away with being unnecessarily rude because, oh, that's just "our" kind humour. Not only is there nothing funny about most "jokes" that have to be defended with an argument about it being "our" culture, to me, there's also nothing Danish about it.
Oh yes, it is!
That's typical workplace humor, whether you work with men or women or mixed. If you can't handle that in a workplace you'll be in for a hard time.

It's also these kinds of not politically correct jokes, and lot worse, that are used in my family and most I know.
Buy heaven forbid we should offend anyone. Better say nothing, better not cracking jokes, because someone sitting in a cave in Tibet might be offended.
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i just learnt that alexandra and martin are separating. i was always surprised about the age difference, but they seemed a strong couple.

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What sad news..hopefully the boys will be alright. For the majority of their lives, Martin has been the "father-figure" they have lived with ..especially Felix, as he was only 2-3 when his parents divorce.

Note, Im in no why trying to say that Joachim has not been a great father.

but Martin has been the next "live-in" parent along with their Mother.
Now with Nikolai growing up and moving out, Felix will be alone with his mother at home. Lots of changes for someone young.
i don't think this will be a huge deal. felix, and nikolai, have strong loving parents and a tight knit family who will take good care of them, and their good relationship with their step parents, particularly with marie, is very much evident to me. i am sure this will not be a huge trauma, and felix will move on well with the support of the family. if their relationship with martin is close, i am sure that as responsible adults this will continue until they get over this period.
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Martin always seemed to me like someone who would be a good rebound relationship for Alexandra - young, good looking, someone to have fun with for a little while to get her over the bad marriage and divorce from Joachim. But I think the "rule" about not marrying the rebound guy probably has some sense to it.
I always thought Alexandra would be best suited to someone her own age, maybe a little older - someone well off and/or well established in his own career, probably with children of his own. A person with more gravitas than Martin appears to have.
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It is always sad when a couple divorce. But one thing for sure when the Royals want to keep something private they do! It is not surprise for the family and the kids, for them to divorce had to be a thought for some time now. The kids had known this for a while . The real reason we might never know, we can speculate nothing else. But one thing I must say , this is her second divorce so it is not very good publicity for her. I feel sorry for the kids, because I think the kids had a great reason with Martin
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Old 09-08-2015, 04:46 PM
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Oh yes, it is!
That's typical workplace humor, whether you work with men or women or mixed. If you can't handle that in a workplace you'll be in for a hard time.

It's also these kinds of not politically correct jokes, and lot worse, that are used in my family and most I know.
Buy heaven forbid we should offend anyone. Better say nothing, better not cracking jokes, because someone sitting in a cave in Tibet might be offended.
What a patronising comment, Muhler, that disappoints me (ikke vred, skuffet). Workplace humour? I've never experienced that in neither workplaces nor at my university and should I encounter it, I'll be sure to voice my opinion about it, but thanks for the concern Sure, Danish irony can be harsh and us Danes have a knack for sarcasm and deadpan but there's also a very distinctive difference between that and downright abrasive "jokes". Those are not the norm where I come from and it lowkey offends me that it's labelled "Danish humour" – that kind of "humour" doesn't define me as a Dane. Also, political correctness is often spoken of as being bad, somehow, when, in reality, it's just fundamental consideration for your fellow human beings. I will never understand the need to make jokes at the expense of others
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i don't think this will be a huge deal. felix, and nikolai, have strong loving parents and a tight knit family who will take good care of them, and their good relationship with their step parents, particularly with marie, is very much evident to me. i am sure this will not be a huge trauma, and felix will move on well with the support of the family. if their relationship with martin is close, i am sure that as responsible adults this will continue until they get over this period.
yes hopefully all is well.
But for me it is a huge deal, no longer living and seeing everyday, someone that has been in your home for the past what 10 years?
Felix already had his brother move out, his only brother he has lived with, and now his step dad is gone too. Especially for a 13 year old.

But yes, hopefully all turns out well..

and for Alexandra, you know what they say, "third time is a charm"
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Perhaps knowing there was trouble in Alexandra and Martin's marriage could have influenced Joachim and Marie's decision to move to Copenhagen. Alexandra could have support from their father and step-mother with the boys.
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Its very sad news, every divorce is a tragedy, in my opinion.
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