The Royal Forums Coat of Arms

Go Back   The Royal Forums > Reigning Houses > Royal House of Denmark

Join The Royal Forums Today
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
  #281  
Old 04-18-2016, 08:48 AM
Duke of Marmalade's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
TRF Author
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Frankfurt am Main, Germany
Posts: 11,557
It gets really interesting when you have to pay a fine that is a certain percentage of your income.
Media is always happy if eg football players are stupid enough to get caught in traffic offences because than its easy to confirm what they actually earn.

With Martin, it could be more than we think or nothing at all
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #282  
Old 04-18-2016, 09:04 AM
Muhler's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 8,779
Indeed.

If his fine is made public it will be most interesting to learn what his income is. (Based on the IRS calculations).

It turns out he hadn't paid insurance on his Mercedes, so he was pulled over. And as always when you are pulled over the police ask you to blow in the alcometer.
__________________

Reply With Quote
  #283  
Old 04-18-2016, 09:12 AM
Duke of Marmalade's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
TRF Author
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Frankfurt am Main, Germany
Posts: 11,557
ooops
Reply With Quote
  #284  
Old 04-19-2016, 06:53 PM
Muhler's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 8,779
Follow up. Now we have comments from Martin Jørgensen and... Well, you be the judge.

Slæbt i retten for kæmpegæld på luksusbil: Nu taler Martin Jørgensen ud

The court phoned him to tell him he had not shown up in court and had been summoned for an unpaid debt of 811.000 DKK, to that he says:

"I haven't received bills or reminders or anything (text is unclear) like that in this context, so I wasn't aware of it".

He had no idea he had been summoned:
"The first time I hear about the enforcement court is in an phonecall from them after the first hearing has been held. And it is a bit difficult to show up for something you don't know you are supposed to show up for".

The large debt is simply a misunderstanding:
"we are here talking about ordinary things and stuff that needs to fall in place in regards to a divorce. And there are many things that needs to fall in place, among them cars.
This is not about me not having control of my affairs, but it's simply about everyday-items, that are to be split - and you have to agree on who do what, when and how".

This whole thing is no big deal:
"Nothing has happened. When you buy a car or a house, then you borrow some money for that unless you can pay in cash. That is simply what it is all about".

Q: Do you intend to keep the car?
MJ: "That's too early to say. I don't know".

Q: Are you short of cash at the moment?
MJ: "That's no-one's business".

- I will add that all adult and adolescent Danes are required to have an E-box, where all correspondence from the authorities will be mailed to.
(Unless you are exempt, which in MJ's case is unlikely).
So no mail is now lost or delayed in the mail and it doesn't matter if his address is now third bench from the left in the local park. So he will have received a summon from the court in his E-box, if he checked it.
And if you wish to all bills can be send to your E-box as well. And certainly banks and credit card companies use the E-box.
But perhaps he has no smartphone, no computer and no access to a computer (for free) in the public libraries - for months...

-----------------------------------------

Things are not going well for Martin Jørgensen!

Først knaldet for spritkørsel og nu slæbt i retten: Alexandras eks kan ikke betale kæmpegæld

As you know he was nicked for DUI in a Mercedes he hadn't paid insurance on.
It now turns out that he can't pay for the car.

On 11th January the Norwegian Santander Consumer Bank summoned Martin Jørgensen in the enforcement court (I think it's called when it's about payments and debts) in Frederiksberg.
But Martin Jørgensen did not show up. That's illegal, so the court instructed the police to bring him in. Before that happened he opted to contact the court himself.

As such he did show up for the second hearing on 11th March.

But this excerpt from the court speaks for itself: "Debtor Martin Jørgensen declared himself unable to pay".

At the court meeting the court ruled that Santander Bank has 811.306 DKK with security in the car. (Which costs 1.6 million DKK as a new car. The taxes on cars are insanely high here in DK). That means Martin Jørgensen can't sell the car without permission from Santander Bank and any profit from the sale goes to the bank.

- On top of that he has a debt in the house which Alexandra has just sold. But as she is expected to have sold the house for a price very close to 25 million DKK, it will be most interesting to see how things develop.
If he is penny-less I'll think it would be very tempting for him to try and claim his share of Alexandra's fortune.

To put things into perspective. Martin Jørgensen owes 811.000 DKK on his car. The average income for a Danish couple with two children, with both parents working, is according to Danish Statistics 884.000 DKK. The average dane: Key Figures - Statistics Denmark

811.000 DKK = (Roughly) 135.000 $ = 108.000 € = 90.000 £.
Reply With Quote
  #285  
Old 04-20-2016, 02:01 AM
MARG's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Christchurch, New Zealand
Posts: 6,049
Wow, that would tend to indicate that Martin is living well beyond his means. As to suing Alexandra for half of everything, would she not have had an iron-clad prenuptial agreement?
__________________
MARG
"Words ought to be a little wild, for they are assaults of thoughts on the unthinking." - JM Keynes
Reply With Quote
  #286  
Old 04-20-2016, 04:34 AM
Muhler's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 8,779
I hope so, for her sake.

The alternative for Martin Jørgensen could be to find a job and... work!
Reply With Quote
  #287  
Old 04-21-2016, 04:56 AM
Muhler's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 8,779
Well, as I suspected the divorce may not be smooth: Så barsk er bodelingen efter skilsmissen: Alexandra hyrer topadvokat

A lawyer, Bjarke Vejby, has confirmed to BT that Alexandra has engaged him to represent her interest at the divorce.

While Bjarke Vejby and his law-firm don't specialize in divorces he is considered a heavy-weight by other lawyers.
Rather than hiring a lawyer specializing in divorces Alexandra has instead gone to one of the very best.

- Martin Jørgensen may be have a problem now!
While he may know a lawyer or two I doubt he can afford to hire someone in the same league.
BTW. After his appearance in court in March he has now paid insurance on his Mercedes. However according to an estimate I read somewhere, as the market is right now in Copenhagen he will be lucky to get half of what he owes on the car is he sells it now.
And he has a loan in Alexandra's house together with Alexandra of 6.195.000 DKK. That would mean he must have an additional debt of some 3.000.000 DKK.

Assuming the house is (or rather was) owned by Alexandra alone I think he will will get enough to pay for his loan, but not one crown more. That means he still owes at least 800.000 for the car and if he can't even come to an agreement with the bank about a reduced mortgage on the car, his finances must be very bad indeed.
Reply With Quote
  #288  
Old 04-21-2016, 06:33 AM
maria-olivia's Avatar
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Brussels, Belgium
Posts: 3,702
Did they have a House abroad ?
Reply With Quote
  #289  
Old 04-21-2016, 06:50 AM
Muhler's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 8,779
AFAIR they have one or two houses in Turkey. The question is of course whether they are owned by Alexandra or whether Martin has a share in them.
Reply With Quote
  #290  
Old 04-21-2016, 06:55 AM
Duke of Marmalade's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
TRF Author
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Frankfurt am Main, Germany
Posts: 11,557
I don't think it will be easy to sell holiday homes in Turkey with a profit these days.
Reply With Quote
  #291  
Old 04-21-2016, 07:35 AM
FasterB's Avatar
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
Posts: 1,376
The house was Alexandra´s "særeje" :)
__________________
Where charity and love are, God is there.
Reply With Quote
  #292  
Old 05-14-2016, 06:35 PM
Muhler's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 8,779
BT is bringing an exclusive interview with Alexandra about the divorce.
Now, I'm too penny-wise to want to pay for it - and further details will surface over the next days anyway.

However, the quotes shown in the article are pretty telling!

Alexandra i stort og eksklusivt interview med BT: Det siger hun om den hårde skilsmisse fra Martin

"I was swift and sure in my decision. I have not wavered. When it had been made I was moving on".

How is their realationship today?
"There is no relationship", adding that the two of them no longer speak with each other.

Q: You've hired a tough lawyer?
A: "Yes, that's for the divorce. I'm divorced from that man".

Q: You are divorced?
A: "I was in a hurry. I had to move on with my life".

Q: Were you divorced on the Net?
A: "Yes, and if there is a special/compelling reason for it, it goes through fast".

Martin Jørgensen comments: "I can say that I fully respect that Alexandra has her version/interpretation of our marriage and divorce. But it is not my version/interpretation".

- Further details are bound to follow.
Reply With Quote
  #293  
Old 05-14-2016, 06:40 PM
eya eya is offline
Heir Apparent
 
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: -, Greece
Posts: 5,464
WOW!! what nice atmosphere between the former couple!!! Thanks Muhler and for the rest!!!
Reply With Quote
  #294  
Old 05-14-2016, 08:08 PM
Royal Highness
 
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,893
Wow no stepping around then all out in the open. She's being very honest


Sent from my iPhone using The Royals Community
Reply With Quote
  #295  
Old 05-15-2016, 02:39 AM
Duke of Marmalade's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
TRF Author
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Frankfurt am Main, Germany
Posts: 11,557
I guess the toy boy arrangement (he living off Alex' money but walking the line, looking after the kids, no straying etc) but then something dirty must have happened, most likely cheating on Alex or embarrassing her massively.

Lets wait and see if Martin will provide his version of the events.

If not it's clear that Alex' paid him off to shut his mouth.
Reply With Quote
  #296  
Old 05-15-2016, 04:55 AM
Muhler's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 8,779
UPDATED:

As predicted the details are trickling in.
Ekstra Bladet has also read the BT interview and here are some added details: Alexandra og Martin blev lynskilt på nettet – Ekstra Bladet

Now, I'm not familiar with being divorced but as I understand it, Alexandra logged in at Borger.dk https://www.borger.dk/Sider/default.aspx or for foreigners or new residents: https://lifeindenmark.borger.dk/Pages/default.aspx, with the code she's automatically been issued by the state, just like all other Danish citizens (unless exempted). Here you can handle all affairs with the authorities, state, region or municipalities, going from reporting a theft to changing your GP or in this case filing for a divorce.
Martin in this case would then shortly after automatically have been notified via his e-box, which all Danes are issued (except those who have a dispensation).

She's not had any contact since filing for the divorce, all dealings with Martin Jørgensen in this matter went through her lawyer.

"A divorce is hard on children. Because they don't play the leading parts. And unfortunately they are involved. I've really tried to do what's best for them".

It's the second time the boys have been through a divorce and Nikolai in particular has been asking questions regarding the divorce. Questions he did not ask when she divorced Joachim.
"I think my children respect me a lot for being honest with them". Adding that she believe she's gotten closer to her children after the break up.

"My boys have one father. They have always had one father". (not a father)

"When I during all the hullabaloo was asked whether I wanted to stay in Denmark I hadn't even considered that option. And I was actually very hurt, because surely I'm not going anywhere. I'm staying here".

-----------------------------------------------------------

If she is "telling everything", chances are he will do likewise, especially if her version does not match his, as he pointed out in his quote.

One can also speculate whether he threatened to go to the press, and Alexandra simply decided to get her version out first.

ADDED: I still don't want to pay for articles (usually turns out to be a waste of money) but judging from the headlines here: Eksklusivt interview med Alexandra: Han var en anden, end jeg troede
Alexandra is quoted for saying that Martin was someone else than she thought. That she could no longer reconcile with his values. That she finally had enough, and once the decision was made in the late summer of 2015, she wanted the divorce to be completed quickly.
(The wording in the excerpt is IMO pretty cheesy. The journalist may wish she is writing like Hemingway, she's not!)

ADDED ADDED: Alexandra til BT efter skilsmissen: Derfor ser prinserne ikke længere Martin

How about Nikolai and Felix?
Are they still seeing Martin Jørgensen?
A: "No".

Is that something the boys themselves wish?
A: "It's something I don't think they feel like. I-m not going to put words in their mouthes. But when one see how well they are thriwing with their friends, how glad, extrovert and curious on life they are. And see how their day-to-day life hasn't changed much, there is nothing that is missing. neither in regards to feelings or emotions in their lives". (Emphasizing the word).
Reply With Quote
  #297  
Old 05-15-2016, 07:05 AM
Duke of Marmalade's Avatar
Imperial Majesty
TRF Author
 
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Frankfurt am Main, Germany
Posts: 11,557
So far, it has been Alexandra getting the tabloid tongues wagging by giving this interview. Why? And it's not just about her, she's speaking about her sons, how they feel, react ect, pushing them into the limelight. Why? She must be really, really hurt for dragging this topic now up, giving the public educated guesses why everything went wrong. Of course because Martin is the bad guy, he must have been way out of line by what he did to her.
Still, I wonder why she is not burying the topic instead of shaming or provoking Martin publicly, involving the tabloids, almost begging to have him tell his side of the story.

While I am no fan of Martin and I always thought that Alex was stupid to marry him (to me it was always obvious that this was about an older rich woman and a poor toyboy with qualities), it always takes two to tango.
Reply With Quote
  #298  
Old 05-15-2016, 07:29 AM
Serene Highness
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: England, United Kingdom
Posts: 1,250
I've always like Alexandra but with this interview she is quickly becoming more celebrity than (former) royal. As much as I'd love to know all the details she is willing to give I'm surprised she is talking to the press especially as it will hurt her boys to keep reading about it.
Reply With Quote
  #299  
Old 05-15-2016, 07:40 AM
Courtier
 
Join Date: Jul 2011
Location: xxx, Finland
Posts: 617
Quote:
Originally Posted by Duke of Marmalade View Post
So far, it has been Alexandra getting the tabloid tongues wagging by giving this interview. Why? And it's not just about her, she's speaking about her sons, how they feel, react ect, pushing them into the limelight.
I agree. She is the mother of two Danish Princes. I think she should have kept quiet and not give tacky interviews like this.
Reply With Quote
  #300  
Old 05-15-2016, 10:15 AM
Muhler's Avatar
Majesty
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Eastern Jutland, Denmark
Posts: 8,779
A bit more from BT: Alexandra eksklusivt til BT: Sådan ser fremtiden ud for Nikolai og Felix

This time about Nikolai and Felix.

While Nikolai is happy at Herlufsholm: "No, I don't think Felix will come along to Herlufsholm. But then they are very different personalities. Nikolai would like to study abroad. While Felix likes his usual surroundings and having his things around him.
He's a creature of habit. So the thing about sleeping in a dormitory with 34 other boys is a frightening thought for hims. When he is asked he says very wisely: That is not known yet. I've not taken that decision yet".
__________________

Reply With Quote
Reply


Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Countess Alexandra and Martin Jørgensen, Current Events Part 3: Dec 2009-Sept 2015 dazzling Current Events Archive 251 09-21-2015 09:44 AM
Alexandra, Countess of Frederiksborg, and Martin Jørgensen March 3, 2007 azile Weddings: Non-Reigning Houses & Nobility 304 09-25-2011 09:23 PM
Countess Alexandra & Martin Jørgensen, Current Events 2: October 2008 - December 2009 Empress Current Events Archive 388 12-09-2009 01:36 AM
Countess Alexandra & Martin Jørgensen, Current Events 1: March 2007 - October 2008 Mandy Current Events Archive 475 10-21-2008 03:50 PM




Popular Tags
ascot 2016 best gown best gown september 2016 best hat best outfit catherine middleton style coup d'etat crown prince haakon crown princess mary crown princess mary fashion crown princess mette-marit current events duchess of cambridge e-mail farah diba fashion and style fashion poll grand duke jean greece infanta elena jewels kate middleton king abdullah ii king felipe king felipe vi king willem-alexander member introduction monarchy new zealand nobel gala norway november 2016 october 2016 opening of parliament picture of the week power prince bernhard prince charles princess charlotte of cambridge princess marie princess mary princess mary daytime fashion princess mary fashion princess mary hats queen letizia queen letizia casual outfits queen letizia daytime fashion queen letizia fashion queen letizia style queen mathilde queen mathildes outfits queen maxima queen maxima casual wear queen maxima cocktail dresses queen maxima daytime fashion queen maxima fashion queen maxima hats queen maxima style queen rania royal fashion september 2016 state visit state visit to denmark succession sweden the duchess of cambridge the duchess of cambridge casual wear the duchess of cambridge daytime fashion the duchess of cambridge fashion the duchess of cambridge hats


Our Communities

Our communities encompass many different hobbies and interests, but each one is built on friendly, intelligent membership.

» More about our Communities

Automotive Communities

Our Automotive communities encompass many different makes and models. From U.S. domestics to European Saloons.

» More about our Automotive Communities

Marine Communities

Our Marine websites focus on Cruising and Sailing Vessels, including forums and the largest cruising Wiki project on the web today.

» More about our Marine Communities


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -4. The time now is 09:19 AM.

Social Knowledge Networks

eXTReMe Tracker
Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2016
Jelsoft Enterprises