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Old 06-18-2004, 03:19 AM
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I suppose I've written this many many times before, but I really don't think UTas is that bad, and certainly isn't 20x less hard than USyd. For the most part, law students in Australia study the same things: how to interpret the law, how to do legal research, knowing the law, studying the basis behind the law, finding the crux of the case (ratio), etc etc. Almost all (except one?) university in Australia are also government funded, so the universities are fairly even. I do agree that Sydney Uni, Melbourne, Monash are a bit better, but that might be because I'm from Sydney (and so think highly of what we have&#33. I imagine that Americans would snif at all these unis and say "hmmm, it's not Harvard, is it!" (o wait, that might have happened already ... just joking). So in the same way it is easy to dismiss UTas because we don't really know it that well. But it doesn't necessarily mean that it's as bad as we might think.

But I do refer to UTas's law journal quite a bit, have spoken one lecturer from UTas law, know hard some Sydney law schools are (hard, but as in most cases, you get used to it and think its normal), and from this (some might say limited) experiences, I would say that UTas' law school is not one that can be easily dismissed.

Just something for Sydney-siders, the head of UTas law school when Mary was there became the Vice Chancellor (the head of the university) of Sydney University... so UTas itself isn't bad.

(I swear this is my last post regarding this CV topic! )
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Old 06-18-2004, 03:20 AM
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Damn Dennism, I wish I ended with your line!! I agree with it so here goes:

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That being said, the CV is good but what they do as Royals are what really matters and so far both are doing just fine.
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Old 06-18-2004, 03:30 AM
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I too agree with Dennism's line
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That being said, the CV is good but what they do as Royals are what really matters and so far both are doing just fine.
Being a teacher in Australia, Sydney actually, I can say that here we have quite a few forms of higher education. University has become more expensive as the years have gone on and there has been a huge push on other forms of other education, such as independant colleges and TAFE.

I have 2 degrees. One in Teaching and the other in Technology. My brother has a double degree too. My parents pushed us to go to University. However, my best friend didn't. She, though, is doing extremely well in her chosen profession and her own business is booming.

CP Mary seemed to be doing quite well in her chosen profession. She has the qualifications to do what she had first intended to do.

Perhaps we wait and as Dennism put it......her CV is good but what they do as Royals are what really matters and so far both are doing just fine!
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Old 06-18-2004, 08:05 AM
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I think Mary's CV is just fine. Plus as an American I don't think we turn up our noses at TasU. Remeber there are tons of colleges and Universities in the US not just Princeton and Harvard. One of the schools I went to has one of the top business programs in the country. I could not get into that college as a major but took most of the classes there as part of another major. The thing is I often got better grades than most of the students in this top notch college and we were in the same class. Sometimes you pay for the "name of the school" and the education is the same as everywhere else.

Also, there is nothing wrong w/ Mary's job history. Some of them were internships, then her mother died and she spent some time in Scotland, quit to travel while she was still young and had no major responsiblities IE home, children etc. Then when she got back she got another job, then found a better one so went there. Then moved to France to be closer to Fred, and then Denmark for the same thing. It doesn't represent a bad work ethic. It is a person taking advantage of opportunities presented to her.
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although, mary is very professional in her way, i personally think alexandra has a more important professional activity than mary. she also seems to love her past work much more than mary...
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Old 06-18-2004, 07:32 PM
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I don't know how Mary's CV would have been if her mum had not passed away. She was going fine (worked for 2 years straight after university in a graduate position with an international firm... such positions are quite hard to get into in Australia) and then her mum died.

Maxima also changed jobs quite a bit, I've been told. Different banks etc.

Though i don't understand the comment about Alexandra having a more important professional activity than Mary. They were important in their own way.
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Old 06-19-2004, 09:49 AM
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Firstly American universities are not neccesarily better. In fact the standard of Australian school sis second to none. A lot of our academics and doctors, lawyers etc are teaching in US insitutitions because our education is better in some ways. A name school doesn't mean its better. For instance La Trobe University is far superior to Melbourne university or Sydney University for US History and so are smaller uni's sometimes better than a "name" one.

Sercondly, what is with all the snarking about Mary? Its like you guys are wanting something to be wrong with her and so you're picking on her but putting two plus two and getting five. I very much doubt she decides what goes on the danish royal family's website anymore than decides what the queen says in her new years eve message. is it jealousy or just dont' like her so you're looking for new ways to come up with reasons not to like her?
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Old 06-19-2004, 12:06 PM
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Interesting topic

.... I think some of the following:

1.)
with the advent of the internet, we (me for sure) have become voracious readers of information, trivia and so on.

2.)
I am sure Mary's father's CV was added to inform all Danes
(and by connection all Danes and those of Danish heritage who live outside the country)
about the pedigree behind their Crown Princess.
By association to the title, it should be of a higher standard than the crown Princess in waiting (no disrespect intended here against Alexandra).

3.)
(in deference to Alexandra), Mary's father does carry far much more in the way of educational achievement than A's father.

In passing, what's 'claim to fame' of the father of A. ? Like, what were his achievements in/to life? did he start a business? Run a business/school?

4.)
In this sense, Margrethe is quite smart .... what better way to garner postings for Mary's father in Denmark over the longer term, which is great for his cashflow, he is near to his daughter when she needs some domestic support ????

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like some-one mentioned above, the standards are changing with the internet ... it is after all a new medium .... so for the time being "more is better" than less under the motto 'if you don't know, obviously you're not in'.
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Old 06-19-2004, 12:23 PM
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Maxima also changed jobs quite a bit, I've been told. Different banks etc.
maxima also had a good cv. she worked for many important banks as economist in new york.

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Though i don't understand the comment about Alexandra having a more important professional activity than Mary.
i said that... it's just that i prefer alex's cv more than mary's.
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Old 06-19-2004, 12:36 PM
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A short note about John Donaldson's CV. If you go to the CP Frederik's website, John Donaldson's CV is no longer there. I believe it has recently been removed.
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Maxima also changed jobs quite a bit, I've been told. Different banks etc.
maxima also had a good cv. she worked for many important banks as economist in new york.
I know. Just pointing out that like Mary, Maxima also changed jobs quite a bit.

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Though i don't understand the comment about Alexandra having a more important professional activity than Mary.
i said that... it's just that i prefer alex's cv more than mary's.
I know you did. But preference is different from being of less importance professionally. Perhaps you prefer more traditional professions like banking as opposed to advertising/accounts? But we're probably saying the same thing, the difference being that I like Mary's cv (in that I can relate to it - I'm doing a similar course and her initial employment is something I am aiming for) but you prefer Alexandra's. Alex's is excellent of course, but I can't relate to it because I've never studied overseas and my parents aren't about to hand me some money to do that! (unfortunately&#33
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Old 06-20-2004, 12:15 AM
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A short note about John Donaldson's CV. If you go to the CP Frederik's website, John Donaldson's CV is no longer there. I believe it has recently been removed.
I guess that's both GOOD and BAD news.

Its "good" that the focus is now on Mary.

The "bad" is if some-one specifically wants to know about her father .... is his CV posted at the university (of Aarhus?) where he is lecturing at present?
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Old 06-21-2004, 03:45 PM
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But the good question is what does mary's father's achievement have anything to do with mary's? I'm glad they remove it because it is so unnecessary, and it only raises the question of motives. As someone says, degree has nothing to do with what mary can do as a princess so I don't see the merit of this debate. She is here, and so she will do her job, and then, the evaluation will be on her performance henceforth, not retrospective.
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Old 06-24-2004, 04:24 AM
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what it want to experess in the Alex & Mary CV, i thought i could say Alexandra had far better good carrier then Mary. indeed Mary got a degree but it didn't mean that she got a good job and carrier. she got the job with no carrier

nothing's wrong with changing quit a bit job but in Mary case, she didn't got a better position. in this way Maxima was the best, her experience in the multiple company had raised her carrier.
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Old 06-24-2004, 08:24 AM
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That's quite untrue. Perhaps for someone not from Australia and not familiar with the companies she worked for (or perhaps not familiar with marketing companies, since Young&Rubicam, Mojo, DDB are international advertising firms) and Belle Properties wouldn't know that those companies can't be easily dismissed.

I can say I've never heard of Alex's insurance company. But its easier to recognise the banking industry as opposed to the newer advertising industry.

I dont think very much of the comment that Mary did not have a career at all. As indicated in the new book on Mary, Belle Property staff increased by 100 people while Mary was there. She was fairly high up in that company... quite a young company, but one that handles some of the multi-million dollar sales here in Sydney. And of course we all know that she was a Director at Belle (hmm, might check this again!). How can that not be progress for a 28 year old????

But we can reach our own (perhaps waaay off) conclusions about things we don't know much of. The real test is what they can do in their role as princess. We know Alex has done well. And I think so far Mary has done extremely well too. That's the real test.

And I suppose people can discuss inconsequential stuff (stuff that happened in the past) till they're blue in the face but as long as Mary keeps doing her job well, such comments won't count for much.
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As far as someone having a more impressive cv (in whatever ways that is judged) than another, there are some people who look great on paper and they come for the interview and then are such a disappointment because of their personality. So I think with both princesses we have a good balance between their education, work experience, personable qualities, and perhaps charisma.
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Jasl, I don't know if Mary was a Director in Belle property because it wasn't stated in her CV. If it was so obvious why she was too afraid to admit it, if i'm not wrong in the interview before her marriage the royal palace didn't allow to ask about carrier. It caused a question mark (?), didn't it ?

Looking back at what people say about Mary in this topic, why you and Mary fans can not admit that Alexandra CV is more impressive then Mary, because it's obvious stated in the CV. Even though you defense Mary but the fact is Mary don't put her carrier as you said in the kongehuset website. Then I think your defense is in vain. I'm not Alexandra fans, I prefer Masako, Maxima and Mathilde as crown princess because except their beauty they have beautiful CV, and dignity, no body doubt about it.

Being a royal family is not difficult job, i think people like us can do well, look at Mette Marit with lack of education, working experience far below Mary we can say she accomplish. I'm sure Mary will do better.
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if i'm not wrong in the interview before her marriage the royal palace didn't allow to ask about carrier. It caused a question mark (?), didn't it ?
That must definitely be a rumour started on the internet
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Chatleen, maybe i'm wrong and indeed it was just rumour, i thought rumour appeared it because Mary or DRF not seemed to be not opened when put Mary CV something that they want to uplift Mary credibility, something that make somebodyelse curious. If it was obvious, it must be no question, just like Masako, Maxima and Mathilde.

By the way, even Mary is not bright as the three crown princess above but she is free from any scandal, she has not wild past, she has made life achievement with holding a degree, has a job that I think more appropriate than defense with something not clear. Especially Mary background didn't cause disaster in DRF, just like Hakoon did.
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Chatleen, maybe i'm wrong and indeed it was just rumour, i thought rumour appeared it because Mary or DRF not seemed to be not opened when put Mary CV something that they want to uplift Mary credibility, something that make somebodyelse curious. If it was obvious, it must be no question, just like Masako, Maxima and Mathilde.

By the way, even Mary is not bright as the three crown princess above but she is free from any scandal, she has not wild past, she has made life achievement with holding a degree, has a job that I think more appropriate than defense with something not clear. Especially Mary background didn't cause disaster in DRF, just like Hakoon did.
I think, that if the journalists were asked not to ask any questions regarding Mary's career, than it would have been a story in the media.

A tabloid like the danish 'Ekstra Bladet', they would have made a big story out of it by now. They would not be stopped, but on the contrary encouraged by such a banning from the danish royal family.

I really think that putting John Donaldson's CV on the internet were to foresee a lot of questions from journalist regarding his background. That's all...
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