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Old 01-06-2014, 06:59 PM
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I readily agree! The distances down here do affect the way we think. But to think that a drive to my local shopping centre is longer than the length of a country is strange.

I would also imagine the age of multi-culturalism (is there a word like that) affects thinking in general. When Grace was in Monaco, the borders to all European countries were strict. These days, when you drive through Europe; how do you know you're in another country? The road signs change language, but that's all. Europe seems a big area with a multitude of languages, and "official" languages are neither here nor there.

It's in the past, I believe.
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Old 01-06-2014, 07:06 PM
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Red Tulip, your statement is very insulting to the Monegasque people. Monaco is a real country that has been in existence much longer than Australia. Just because it is a small country doesn't mean that their citizens are any less important than any other country. We all belong to the human race. Prince Albert works for the citizens of Monaco, many whose families have lived there for hundreds of years. People always forget about the actual citizens of Monaco. They only think about the wealthy non+citizens. The largest group of people living in Monaco are French, about 20%. The next largest group is the Monegasques, about 15% and the 3rd largest group is It alian, around 15%. 80% of their visitors are French. So it is important for Charlene to speak French, but I think her most important job is to attract visitors and business to Monaco. If she can do that without speaking French, I don't think the Monagasques will care.
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Old 01-06-2014, 08:13 PM
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I´m sure Albert likes to hear that he is head of a casino and not a country.

Exactly. Monaco is a Principality with representation at the U.N. I think it's an insult to it's citizens and it's ruler to imply that they aren't a real country, and that it doesn't matter if the Princess Consort doesn't learn the official language!
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Old 01-07-2014, 01:03 AM
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Didn't say Monaco wasn't a real country, just that it's very small indeed. And it is. It's a teeny little principality they managed to squeeze a massive palace into and a casino.

My comments are not insulting at all, but if someone chooses to be insulted with something that never happened, so be it. I have no problem for it. I do think it's not desirable for anyone to think he/she is a spokesperson for a whole group of people, unless appointed to the position. But that's not a problem either.

Polyesco; I wasn't exaggerating.

I think Albert was extremely lucky to marry Charlene. I hope he realises it.
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Old 01-07-2014, 01:58 AM
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redtulip, you are right that it's a small country. But it's history is quite rich and complicated...linked with that of Spain, Italy and of course France and going back many hundreds of years(as noted by another poster). The Palace itself is almost 900 years old and the Grimaldi/Monaco entanglements at Louis XIV's Court of Versailles are particularly fascinating to read about.

It's far more than just a little promontory on the Med that houses a famous Casino!
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Old 01-07-2014, 02:19 AM
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I do think it's an interesting place, and beautiful to boot! Like all European countries, it has a long and interesting history. And who doesn't like great climate, beautiful people and a turquoise sea?

The palace itself is lovely (judging by the photos, as I haven't been there myself), and I like its colour pale pink. And I like to keep an eye on what Charlene is wearing :)

But it will still remain a pink meringue place where they have a F1 race once a year. However, that is not a bad thing; it just is.

Since this is a "current events" thread, maybe Charlene and Albert just should do something? In a language of their choice! :)
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Old 01-08-2014, 01:34 PM
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Prince Albert and princess Charlene attended the fest of the swimmning school at Monaco this afternoon. Photo of the official page of FB

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

inauguration of a restaurant Nobu at Monaco this evening by Prince Albert and Peincess Charlene

photo on twitter

Instagram

With Robert De Niro at fairmont for the launching of Nobu

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bdet7WuIEAA1URM.jpg:large

I like a lot Robert de Niro
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Old 01-09-2014, 05:31 AM
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I readily agree! The distances down here do affect the way we think. But to think that a drive to my local shopping centre is longer than the length of a country is strange.

I would also imagine the age of multi-culturalism (is there a word like that) affects thinking in general. When Grace was in Monaco, the borders to all European countries were strict. These days, when you drive through Europe; how do you know you're in another country? The road signs change language, but that's all. Europe seems a big area with a multitude of languages, and "official" languages are neither here nor there.

It's in the past, I believe.
Well then, everyone in the United States should prepare, by that argument most speak Spanish now. Perhaps everyone in Mexico should only learn English, it is so close to the US border...speak German in Germany? Why do so when you can drive to a French speaking state in hours....

What a slight to the people of Monaco by such arguments! The country is small, so they do not matter? What is hundreds of years as the official language? Everyone should learn English to suit Charlene and her family? Yes, Charlene has yet to learn it after a decade (after 'learning' a second language she has not spoken in public, before leaving school in 8th grade and learning a handful of signs). So we know she CAN do it when she applies herself, by those proofs.

It is this 'small' country Charlene volunteered to adopt and bring most her family to. Monaco is a sovereign nation in the South of FRANCE. It is an active participant of the league of French Speaking nations. Albert speaks in French st the UN meetings for his people. His official statements are in French. Is this not a hint?

No one else in the Monaco government is without French skills, they would not be hired or elected. This "explanation" or support simply does the opposite in putting down the people of Monaco. Yes, she seems to be doing some good works but if she can not communicate (or only works with English speakers) then she too is losing out and worse marginalizing the people.

This is not the past. It is now.
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Old 01-09-2014, 06:01 AM
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I haven't seen redtulip making an argument, just expressing her opinion or belief. I bet we all have opinions that won't be shared by others, but stating them does not amount to a slight or insult to those about whom those opinions are held and stated.

I think that the real problem is stating opinions as though they are indisputable facts, or implying that anyone who holds a contrary opinion to the poster/speaker is wrong and should not express their thoughts.
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Old 01-09-2014, 07:41 AM
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Prince Albert and princess Charlene attended the fest of the swimmning school at Monaco this afternoon. Photo of the official page of FB

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=3&theater

inauguration of a restaurant Nobu at Monaco this evening by Prince Albert and Peincess Charlene

photo on twitter

Instagram

With Robert De Niro at fairmont for the launching of Nobu

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bdet7WuIEAA1URM.jpg:large

I like a lot Robert de Niro
Thank you for the link! - It's great that Charlene gets to be involved in swimming and young talents. They are close to her heart. She's doing a great job!

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I haven't seen redtulip making an argument, just expressing her opinion or belief. I bet we all have opinions that won't be shared by others, but stating them does not amount to a slight or insult to those about whom those opinions are held and stated.

I think that the real problem is stating opinions as though they are indisputable facts, or implying that anyone who holds a contrary opinion to the poster/speaker is wrong and should not express their thoughts.
I think this is very true.
I have run past who-knows-how-many drivers, and people in general. But I am yet to meet a person to say that he/she is NOT a good driver, or that he/she is NOT a tolerant person.
Where are the bad drivers and intolerant people? We all have heard of them, but has anyone met self-acclaimed bad drivers or intolerant people?

Where are they? Who are they?
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Old 01-09-2014, 08:23 AM
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photos of the official page of FB about the inauguration of the Nobu with Robert De Niro yesterday evening

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...4700945&type=1
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Old 01-09-2014, 08:44 AM
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Old 01-09-2014, 04:44 PM
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Maybe in the future any complaints and or criticism of Princess Charlene's French language skills should be posted in French
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Here are two more pics of the Nobu event yesterday:



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Old 01-09-2014, 05:57 PM
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Thank you for the links! - The terra cotta dress Charlene is wearing is one of my favourites. She looks excellent.
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Maybe in the future any complaints and or criticism of Princess Charlene's French language skills should be posted in French
Excellent idea!

Thank you for those links to the pics at the Nobu event, iceflower. I really like that dress on Charlene. I love the colour and the style suits her very well.
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Old 01-09-2014, 07:38 PM
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Maybe in the future any complaints and or criticism of Princess Charlene's French language skills should be posted in French
As this is a English only board, no poster's skills are questioned but if we did post in French, how would Charlene understand the criticism? How easy it is to attack posters we don't agree with by putting it off on them?
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Old 01-09-2014, 08:53 PM
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As this is a English only board, no poster's skills are questioned but if we did post in French, how would Charlene understand the criticism? How easy it is to attack posters we don't agree with by putting it off on them?
Ah! But perhaps those of us who do not speak or read French would simply not care.
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Old 01-09-2014, 10:54 PM
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Maybe in the future any complaints and or criticism of Princess Charlene's French language skills should be posted in French
Why? Charlene has a reason to learn French unlike many of the members here, and as far as I know we are on an English speaking board. Have not noticed it has changed.
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Old 01-09-2014, 11:07 PM
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Charlene has only been married for two years. She cannot be compared to Mary who has been married for 9 years.

According to Wikipedia, she does speak French.
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