Prince Albert & Charlene Wittstock Current Events 2 : Oct.2007 - Jan.2008


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Warren Treadgold

"Snapshots are like Byzantine icons which are windows on eternity of the individual being photographed" , I must say that as a person of Russian Orthodox faith I find that comparison over the top to say the least.......but like everyone else I guess you are entitled to your opinion.

Anyway, happy holidays to all and maybe 2008 will bring happier and more positive events to discuss on these boards.
God Bless you and your faith but comprehension of the Byzantine ideologies are a different story and what you consider over the top[swell] is a look at a surpassing truth.
Whatever questions and opinions about Byzantium as alluded to by me regarding snapshots of CW or anybody else are better directed to the world's formeost authority on the subject and how it relates to physiognomical positivism today:
Warren Treadgold
many thanks for allowing me my over the top opinion and I too join in your heartfelt wish that we have more positive and 'substantial' things to discuss in the New Year.
 
NGalitzine, I for one need no further clarification on your opinion. I agree with it and I think it is an excellent, balanced and INTELLIGENT response.

You are quite correct, if Ms Wittstock had dropped to her knees and covered those youngsters with kisses, the air in this Forum would be redolent with the aroma of the smoke from burning her at the stake for grandstanding for the cameras! The idea that a snapshot is always a "window to the soul" makes me snicker among many other things. But I'll leave that alone.

We all remember former First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy? I am a great admirer of hers, but I am too young to remember her time as First Lady so I study photos of her. Other than her own, she was almost never photographed gushing over babies, but by all accounts she was passionate about children and young people. The same with the Princess Royal, Anne of Britain.

The late King Baudouin of Belgium was also a passionate lover of children and animals, but one would NEVER guess it from studying photos of this shy, retiring rather aloof looking man.

Again, I commend you for your post. It was a breath of much needed fresh air.
I remember Jackie too but she was a highly cultured & educated person so what she did not do to other's children including those of Onassis [and it is a well known fact that she and Christina did get on very well and there are pictures to prove it] she did compensate for in arts and other areas of life. In that you are a great admirer of hers is you looking at the exterior of an individual and not the interior. I doubt anybody would hatrbor anybad emotion for Cw if she had hugged a child ever now or in future.I am sorry to read that you snicker and that you might feel emotion like that.Merry Christmas
 
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LOL! I am not Orthodox, but I have attended Russian Orthodox liturgies often and I am enchanted with the beautiful iconography in those Churches. I quite understand why you feel the comparison is over the top, just as is bizarre name dropping of Charles Dickens and others. But hey, I am just internet poster not as versed in Dickens as others! ALAS!

Happy Holidays to you, I hope you weren't spooked off the Boards for good!
 
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Jaya I mean no disrespect so please don't take it that way. But what on Earth is an "encomiast?" I keep a dictionary and a thesauras on hand at all times, and there is no such word in the English language.

As for your second sentence..."if half of us had no mundane worries and the other no despair why would we bother and what psychological appeal does it hold verily I ask??"" Could I ask you to please decipher this sentence for those among us-like myself-who don't have a clue what you are talking about, or who are wondering what this has to do with the subject at hand?

Again, thank you for your indulgence.
I also mean no disrespect but all is self explanatory here. I kindly ask that you private message me although I do not give tutorials about what I write. Since you apparently cannot manage to find an online dictionary- [for encomaist] me should you have difficulties with your literacy skills with which you are apparently as a singular individual[speaking for others???in what capacity and who asked you anyway except you in many forms of being confused by the level of the discussion] are having troubles with as others found the word you could not and alluded it to forum discussion I am grateful you have no clue what I am speaking of as you cannot find an online word that is splashed across the internet ye gods!many kind thanks& May God Bless You
 
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I remember Jackie too but she was a highly cultured & educated person so what she did not do to other's children including those of Onassis [and it is a well known fact that she and Christina did get on very well and there are pictures to prove it] she did compensate for in arts and other areas of life. In that you are a great admirer of hers is you looking at the exterior of an individual and not the interior.I am sorry to read that you snicker and that you might feel emotion like that.Merry Christmas


Jaya-for the love of all things holy. Please try to read a response carefully before throwing out names and concepts that have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT AT HAND.

Yes, Ms Onassis was a highly cultured woman I suppose. But I used her as an example NOT to post about her level of culture or education or whatever. You have stated that you can tell a person's feelings from looking at pictures.I used examples such as Ms Onassis, Princess Anne and the late King of the Belgians to refute this... Not to comment on culture , or Ms Onassis allegedly bad relationship with her ADULT step daughter.

You state that as an admirer of Ms Onassis I am looking at the interior and not the exterior. How, pray tell, do you know this?

I am not attempting apart or be hostile. I am simply trying to understand where you are coming from. Thank you.
 
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I also mean no disrespect but all is self explanatory here. I kindly ask that you private message me since you apparently cannot manage to find an online dictionary- [for encomaist] me should you have difficulties with your literacy skills with which you are apparently as a singular individual having troubles with as others found theword you could not and how they allude to the forum again.many kind thanks

My literacy skills are fine Jaya. Thanks for your concern. And since we are being honest here can I recommend that you CEASE attempting to impress others by throwing out names and ideas(Camus, Byzantine icons, Charles Dickens) for no other reason than to try and impress? Because these names and ideas rarely have anything to do with subject matter(Albert of Monaco's relationship with a South African swimmer) and you just sound...FOOLISH.

Many kind thanks to you as well!
 
God Bless you and your faith but comprehension of the Byzantine ideologies are a different story and what you consider over the top[swell] is a look at a surpassing truth.
Whatever questions and opinions about Byzantium as alluded to by me regarding snapshots of CW or anybody else are better directed to the world's formeost authority on the subject and how it relates to physiognomical positivism today:
Warren Treadgold
many thanks for allowing me my over the top opinion and I too join in your heartfelt wish that we have more positive and 'substantial' things to discuss in the New Year.

Jaya,

Brilliant!
I'm afraid you are wasting your time and knowledge, as your words are far beyond what is not simple here, they seem too esoteric for those unversed. I'm afraid no matter how hard you try - This is not your audience. :flowers:
Perhaps that is a good thing!;)
It seems most have jumped shipped by now. If there is any postive energy here I don't see it, as it seems the choice was to bring more endless negative post turned inward towards others with differing opinions looking for argument of any kind. The choice of the negative expression towards your post, for what reason? But the choice was more negativity always towards others. I don't see any evidence here that anyone is promoting any positive expression, that's a very funny way of promoting it. Kind of like invading a country to promote democracy? Considering the mascot here, perhaps it's time to move to a more comprehensive arena;)
 
I am thoroughly enjoying these post Jaya, Sandsla and all. I love all the comparisons and the raising of the intellectual bar. Seriously I really enjoy when the posts make you think. I thought the icon/Princess Grace inference was brilliant. I smiled with the thought of icons - Of course the timing with Christmas and all was not lost either. Thanks for making the posts worth reading and presenting things in a new creative and challenging way. The Onassis comparisons also brilliant!
 
Let's get back to the subject at hand and avoid getting personal please. If you have issues with others please take it to private message and not on the boards.

Thanks
 
Has or does anyone know if Charlene got an engagement ring for Christmas or not?
 
I think the story is getting old and uninteresting.

As far as there being no engagment announced yet, it doesn't seem very likely after all this time. Also, in following what has been written about this PA/CW soap opera and looking at some of the press following his past serious relationships, especially the stories of Alicia Warlick, like this one here, it seems apparent that PA loves the story or idea of him marrying an Olympic Athlete. With Alicia in 2004 the annoucment was suppose to come on this 45th birthday with a wedding after the Athens Olympics.

Albert's intended is an American--as was his mother, Grace Kelly, before she gave up acting to marry Prince Rainier. To become a princess, Alicia Warlick will give up pole vaulting. The official announcement is expected to come on Albert's 45th birthday in March, with the wedding not likely until after Alicia can compete in the Athens Olympics in 2004 MARITAL STATUSU.S. pole vaulter to become princess | Chicago Sun-Times | Find Articles at BNET.com


Now it is 4 years later and everyone is expecting an announcement to come with CW, but this time the only changes are its a swimmer not a pole vaulter and now the wedding is to be after the 2008 Beijing Olympics, not the 2004 Athens Olympics. Also Alicia had the same blonde hair, blue eye Grace Kelly look that Charlene tries very hard to copy as well.

IMO, PA should stop trying to manufacture his love story. Just before his father got married, Prince Rainier sought the guidance from his priest and visited several catholic shrines in prayer for his future princess. The result was Grace Kelly. IMO before he makes any decisions, PA should do something like this too. If he just let life happen and God take control, it will be a more beautiful story than anything he could ever manufacture or contrive, and on top of that, he would be happy.

IMO, neither PA or CW look happy or in love which is probably why there has been no annoncement yet.
 
The story about the Albert and Alicia announcement thing was made up I read from her side but he wasn't in love with her and broke it off. He was seeing Nicole and Alexandre was conceived. He hasn't come out and said he isn't considering marriage with Charlene. Just no plans at this time. If they became engaged don't you think it would be wondered why she didn't compete in swimming for Monaco? I would.

Also if she received an engagement ring for a present that would mean she wouldn't have to give it back if they broke up.
 
But we're all just sitting on pins and needles. I guess we shouldn't be. Perhaps the next targeted (hoped for) date is in January- isn't that CW's birth month?

Re the engagement ring-what would be wrong with her keeping it if it ended? Along with, hopefully, many lovely memories and some possible other gifts of import-mucho import!!!,IMO
 
Well he is the last bachelor to be married among his generation: a little suspense can do us good !
 
If Albert gave Charlene a ring for engagement if he break it off she will have to gave it back. If he buy it for her as christmas gift she can keep it. I wonder did they spend together or he spend with his family and she spend christmas with her family.
 
I wonder what Prince Albert and Charlene are up to. She has not appeared by his side in any Christmas public appearance. Maybe they are vacationing together somewhere and hopefully we will see them together again after the holidays. Last time she disappeared, she came back with breast implants. Maybe this time she will come back with an engagement ring.
 
Or maybe she won't come back.

I'm sorry, but I can't bring myself to like Charlene. At first, I was pretty much neutral about her, but now it's like...why bother? She has yet to bring anything to the table not for Albert but for Monaco. She doesn't seem to be interested in anything but his pretty arm-candy (with an equally vapid expression). Charlene is obviously in love with the prospect of being a princess and will do anything to get to the position, but how many other women before her acted the same way and where are they now?

That, and the breast implants -- she should have never have gotten them. Her new implants have just ruined her career and she doesn't even have a ring on her finger!

You know what, after all this she better have a ring because her reputation can only sink so low.

And Charlene is not only to blame; a lot of it is Albert's fault, too. I wish he would just come out and say, "I'm just not meant for marriage" and end it or let her go. He's almost 50, he has two children (even though they're illegitimate they will still carry his genes), and he has the heirs just in case thanks to Caroline. If he truly does want to marry, then he should try to find an educated cultured woman who will be a great asset to him as a wife, lover, mother of his future?children, step-mother to his current children, and will truly care about Monaco's welfare.

Sorry for the rant but I've held it in for so long!
 
Or maybe she won't come back.

I'm sorry, but I can't bring myself to like Charlene. At first, I was pretty much neutral about her, but now it's like...why bother? She has yet to bring anything to the table not for Albert but for Monaco. She doesn't seem to be interested in anything but his pretty arm-candy (with an equally vapid expression). Charlene is obviously in love with the prospect of being a princess and will do anything to get to the position, but how many other women before her acted the same way and where are they now?

That, and the breast implants -- she should have never have gotten them. Her new implants have just ruined her career and she doesn't even have a ring on her finger!

You know what, after all this she better have a ring because her reputation can only sink so low.

And Charlene is not only to blame; a lot of it is Albert's fault, too. I wish he would just come out and say, "I'm just not meant for marriage" and end it or let her go. He's almost 50, he has two children (even though they're illegitimate they will still carry his genes), and he has the heirs just in case thanks to Caroline. If he truly does want to marry, then he should try to find an educated cultured woman who will be a great asset to him as a wife, lover, mother of his future?children, step-mother to his current children, and will truly care about Monaco's welfare.

Sorry for the rant but I've held it in for so long!

Glad to see you got it out of your system before the start of the new year, a very healthy thing to do!! Since your name is Oxygen, let us all hope that a breath of fresh air will sweep into Monaco in the new year !!!

I wish you all a happy, healthy and safe New Year!! and to all the Grimaldi's the same for them and for Monaco!
 
Hi everyone, Oxygen I agree whole heartedly with your sentiments. I could not have said it better myself.

Have a safe happy safe new year. May all of your wishes and desires for you and your famalies come through. May you learn to trust God for all of your needs and find solace and comfort in him.

Have a great 2008 guys!
 
I wonder what Prince Albert and Charlene are up to. She has not appeared by his side in any Christmas public appearance. Maybe they are vacationing together somewhere and hopefully we will see them together again after the holidays.
You are correct. Here’s the caption: EXCLUSIVE. Prince Albert II of Monaco and his girlfriend Charlene Wittstock are seen at the Nice airport, France during their departure winter vacation by private jet, on December 28, 2007. NO CREDIT
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Albert and Friends1
Albert and Friends2
Charlene entering plane
Albert and friends entering plane
Last time she disappeared, she came back with breast implants. Maybe this time she will come back with an engagement ring.
Well, that's a good thing because she would have to wear a bra and spare some people the sight of seeing her braless as in this recent Rugby match picture where you can see her entire breast.
Or maybe she won't come back.
Not a chance. What will she do, work behind the counter in her dad's printing business?
I'm sorry, but I can't bring myself to like Charlene. At first, I was pretty much neutral about her, but now it's like...why bother? She has yet to bring anything to the table not for Albert but for Monaco. She doesn't seem to be interested in anything but his pretty arm-candy (with an equally vapid expression).
I agree with you that she hasn’t brought anything to Monaco's table. But, I disagree with you on the part that she hasn’t brought anything to the table for Albert. Has it ever occurred to you that Charlene represents all that Albert likes? Please look at the menu of what he has brought to the table in the past (but I really like Alicia Warlick). Albert has no qualms escorting the highboots-miniskirt-wearing Charlene to a match with French dignitaries. Who wears a miniskirt to a stadium? Many people feel that Charlene is steps above his previous escorts.

I find this Gala article (translated) titled "Charlène Wittstock : un petit air de Stéphanie" very telling of what even some of her supportive press really thinks of her. Below is an excerpt.
The pretty South African swimmer also would have succumbed to the effect Stéph '? Possible. Bye-bye tailors too strict, hats too much and the first lady held… In the dressing Charlene, fluid conduit or pailletés often split fairly high on the leg, turned very dresses with thin straps, tops ultrasexys, the lamés, vintage sets, bustiers, pants drooping detailed on thin sandals with high heels.

Charlene, it would be more sensitive to the talent of Isabell Kristensen-one of the pillars of high society of the Rock. If the style is a reflection of the soul, then surprising that the two young women were both brought on as little accessories.
I suggest you take a peek at Isabell’s fashion to really understand that this is not really a compliment.

Another example is Point de Vue’s advice to Charlene in this article (from a fan website, translation) titled: “Marriage in 2008: the Evidence.” Since PDV’s proof has tripled from their last years prediction of marriage, perhaps Charlene’s chances have also. What’s hilarious is that PDV placed the corset-wearing Charlene on the cover of their magazine (one of many covers this year) and called her elegant, but now they tell her to ditch it. Also, I guess they haven’t quite bought Charlene’s story that training for the Olympics is her career since they advised her to get a job.
Our friendly advice before marriage
1. Improving her French (The language of love)
2. Call Karl Lagerfeld (To drop dresses corsets)
3. Relieving her makeup (Primarily related to eyeliner)
5. Finding a good cause at Monaco (To get a job)
8. Take advantage of her free time (Before having children)
Also, I guess PDV missed Bunte’s last year article which stated that Lagerfeld thought that she was glamorous and exactly what Monaco needed (roll eyes). I swore off Bunte after they distorted a picture of Charlene and Chris Le Vine dancing at the Red Cross ball to make it seem that it was Charlene and Albert dancing as they falsely stated. So, I didn’t believed them when they stated that Charlene bragged to them about vacationing in St. Tropez and having a costume made for an Oktoberfest that she was attending with Albert. I didn’t think that the woman’s life was that shallow where she would be bragging about a costume two months away. Alas, I was wrong. She did wear a Monaco costume to the fest. I also saw pictures of Charlene vacationing in St. Tropez and read other articles stating that she was in St. Tropez while Albert was in America. But, here’s a link from some European vacationers’ website (translation) who stated that they were told that they just missed Albert and his girlfriend when they also visited Tupelo. Could Charlene be in two places at the same time? Did they assumed that if Albert was with a blond then it was Charlene? I doubt if any Tupelians (sp?) know who Charlene is. For the record, there is not a fiber of my being that believes this man was ever or will be ever faithful to Charlene. She has shown that she accepts him just they way he is. An excerpt form the website:
In Tupelo Hardware then we learned that a few days earlier of prominent visit was announced. It arrived unannounced nobody less than Prince Albert of Monaco with Charlene Wittstock, together with a smaller retinue of 8 to 10 persons.
Here’s another example of what Charlene brings to the table – or I should say an example of how she’s viewed. Richard Kay (ok, not the fairest creature when it comes to Camilla) wrote a short article about Albert in his column titled: Monaco's Albert is turning green (scroll down). Wow, good title and Prince Albert is also discussed in the same breath as Tony Blair. Albert was in London opening Monaco’s consulate in London and appealing for professional Britons to move to Monaco. So, how seriously was Albert received? Well, I believe not not quite so seriously (at least by Kay) when the only picture is this one of Charlene in that purple corset dress with the caption: Royal squeeze: Albert's girlfriend Charlene. For those who may not be familiar with the slang “squeeze”, it’s not very flattering when you are head of state and a Sovereign Prince and the press refers to your girlfriend as your squeeze. Obviously, Kay could have chosen any one of hundreds of pictures of Charlene to post, but he chose that one.
Charlene is obviously in love with the prospect of being a princess and will do anything to get to the position, but how many other women before her acted the same way and where are they now?
Uhhh, I know two who acted similar and now are living extremely well off of Albert’s money. So, there’s no telling how far Charlene may go beyond the limits she has already achieved.

That, and the breast implants -- she should have never have gotten them. Her new implants have just ruined her career and she doesn't even have a ring on her finger!
Please tell, what career? I have pleaded for someone to reveal what exactly would Charlene say that she does if she didn't stick with her story "I'm training for the Beijing Olympics." She hasn’t seem to have ruined any career with Albert; isn’t this her third New Years celebration with the man? I wonder how many girlfriends can say that they spent three New Years celebrations with him? Unless Albert faces some sort of substantive invention (I mean a godly one), look forward to seeing more of Charlene in 2008!
 
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I agree with you that she hasn’t brought anything to Monaco's table. But, I disagree with you on the part that she hasn’t brought anything to the table for Albert. Has it ever occurred to you that Charlene represents all that Albert likes? Please look at the menu of what he has brought to the table in the past (but I really like Alicia Warlick). Albert has no qualms escorting the highboots-miniskirt-wearing Charlene to a match with French dignitaries. Who wears a miniskirt to a stadium? Many people feel that Charlene is steps above his previous escorts.

No, I did not mean to say that she hasn't done a lot for Albert. I meant to say what has she done for Monaco. Charlene's obviously been there for Albert seeing as how she's still here.

Uhhh, I know two who acted similar and now are living extremely well off of Albert’s money. So, there’s no telling how far Charlene may go beyond the limits she has already achieved.

That's exactly what I'm talking about. Does Charlene want to be married to this man or does she want to go the route of the two before her, have illegitimate child number three, and just live off his money? I would hope she'd want to be married, but the woman doesn't show the slightest bit of emotion, so I don't know.

Please tell, what career? I have pleaded for someone to reveal what exactly would Charlene say that she does if she didn't stick with her story "I'm training for the Beijing Olympics." She hasn’t seem to have ruined any career with Albert; isn’t this her third New Years celebration with the man? I wonder how many girlfriends can say that they spent three New Years celebrations with him? Unless Albert faces some sort of substantive invention (I mean a godly one), look forward to seeing more of Charlene in 2008!

I'm giving her the benefit of a doubt. She's an olympic swimmer and even though she probably isn't training for the upcoming compeition, it's still her job to. Swimming is supposed to be her career but lately she's made being Albert's "number one squeeze" her top priority.
 
three years have past no ring, are long she have to wait, some women will have given up or find a way to talk into it, as for charelen she have given up her life for him,all these tell me albert does not really into her,he only want her because he does not want to be all alone, if he is deeply in love he would have asked her by now not wait and take her aroundthe world or let her walk behind his back on offical events , what else do you guy think?
 
three years have past no ring, are long she have to wait, some women will have given up or find a way to talk into it, as for charelen she have given up her life for him,all these tell me albert does not really into her,he only want her because he does not want to be all alone, if he is deeply in love he would have asked her by now not wait and take her aroundthe world or let her walk behind his back on offical events , what else do you guy think?

I agree!
This is all JMO, But I also feel he's just passing the time with her (unfortunately, at the expense of ever finding anyone else with intigrity that might actually have some real feelings for him?), and he figures as long as she is happy to hang around - She isn't hanging around for love or any emotional reasons? So she is using him as much as he is using her for whatever needs she fufills for him? Where she may passify a need for him in not being lonely on some nights, she has not done anything for his image publically, unless he is trying to impress teenage girls and is willing to take a hit in terms of respect for him as a man who is anything other than a fool? So far he has been more than willing? Albert's private life is Albert's public weakness? Why he wants to advertise it, or Charlene is a mystery to me? It's one thing overcoming one's past, but another thing altogether that Albert still doesn't appear to be a man that has learned anything by it? Nothing seems to embarrass him or he would pick a woman who is looking for something different than a woman who is after no more than publicity for herself and his money? What's new? Charlene is still hoping for a pot of gold in the end (because she thinks she might luck out, I think timing? Or the position Albert finds himself in at 50 with his past? Is how she has been putting it for so long?) This is what she has been counting on? If she just hangs on long enough? She thinks it just might happen? If it doesn't, I see her possibly taking the same route as the women she follows - I see no difference in any of them, even if he decides to marry her (perhaps, out of spite, - because there is nothing like cutting off your nose to spite your face?) Albert seems to have mastered this? Charlene will not have any more respect than the others (Albert will just have less, if that's possible at this juncture?) IMO, Charlene doesn't seem to care how she gets where/what she gets?, whether it is in the absence of love for her or Albert, as long as it happens? I'm sure this is not a mystery to Albert? He's seen it before and continues to still be happy with the status quo of these relationships? Let's hope in 2008 all parties concerned find some wisdom, integrity and self respect and are authentically happy and motivated in living their life for the right reasons! Happy New Year to all! Moderators included for doing such a thankless and (unpopular at times) job!

Happy New Year everyone!
 
I don't believe they are just friends. I do think he is really in love with her. You can see it in the way he looks at her in many photos. Charlene probably makes him feel young and perhaps she does care about him. I like her simplicity and perhaps so does he. She doesn't seem snobish, nor stuck up or flashy, not pretentious. A simple girl who loves sports just like him. A very important bond between them. She is an accomplished swimmer and now she is ready to settle down. It just so happens that her prince is taking a bit too long to decide whether he is ready for marriage or not yet.
 
Time to close this thread and to start a new one. You can find it right here: Prince Albert II of Monaco and Charlene Wittstock Current Events - Part 3
 
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