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Old 12-12-2007, 08:47 PM
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"Snapshots are like Byzantine icons which are windows on eternity of the individual being photographed" , I must say that as a person of Russian Orthodox faith I find that comparison over the top to say the least.......but like everyone else I guess you are entitled to your opinion.

Anyway, happy holidays to all and maybe 2008 will bring happier and more positive events to discuss on these boards.
God Bless you and your faith but comprehension of the Byzantine ideologies are a different story and what you consider over the top[swell] is a look at a surpassing truth.
Whatever questions and opinions about Byzantium as alluded to by me regarding snapshots of CW or anybody else are better directed to the world's formeost authority on the subject and how it relates to physiognomical positivism today:
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many thanks for allowing me my over the top opinion and I too join in your heartfelt wish that we have more positive and 'substantial' things to discuss in the New Year.
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:01 PM
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NGalitzine, I for one need no further clarification on your opinion. I agree with it and I think it is an excellent, balanced and INTELLIGENT response.

You are quite correct, if Ms Wittstock had dropped to her knees and covered those youngsters with kisses, the air in this Forum would be redolent with the aroma of the smoke from burning her at the stake for grandstanding for the cameras! The idea that a snapshot is always a "window to the soul" makes me snicker among many other things. But I'll leave that alone.

We all remember former First Lady Jacqueline Kennedy? I am a great admirer of hers, but I am too young to remember her time as First Lady so I study photos of her. Other than her own, she was almost never photographed gushing over babies, but by all accounts she was passionate about children and young people. The same with the Princess Royal, Anne of Britain.

The late King Baudouin of Belgium was also a passionate lover of children and animals, but one would NEVER guess it from studying photos of this shy, retiring rather aloof looking man.

Again, I commend you for your post. It was a breath of much needed fresh air.
I remember Jackie too but she was a highly cultured & educated person so what she did not do to other's children including those of Onassis [and it is a well known fact that she and Christina did get on very well and there are pictures to prove it] she did compensate for in arts and other areas of life. In that you are a great admirer of hers is you looking at the exterior of an individual and not the interior. I doubt anybody would hatrbor anybad emotion for Cw if she had hugged a child ever now or in future.I am sorry to read that you snicker and that you might feel emotion like that.Merry Christmas
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:01 PM
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LOL! I am not Orthodox, but I have attended Russian Orthodox liturgies often and I am enchanted with the beautiful iconography in those Churches. I quite understand why you feel the comparison is over the top, just as is bizarre name dropping of Charles Dickens and others. But hey, I am just internet poster not as versed in Dickens as others! ALAS!

Happy Holidays to you, I hope you weren't spooked off the Boards for good!
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:05 PM
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Jaya I mean no disrespect so please don't take it that way. But what on Earth is an "encomiast?" I keep a dictionary and a thesauras on hand at all times, and there is no such word in the English language.

As for your second sentence..."if half of us had no mundane worries and the other no despair why would we bother and what psychological appeal does it hold verily I ask??"" Could I ask you to please decipher this sentence for those among us-like myself-who don't have a clue what you are talking about, or who are wondering what this has to do with the subject at hand?

Again, thank you for your indulgence.
I also mean no disrespect but all is self explanatory here. I kindly ask that you private message me although I do not give tutorials about what I write. Since you apparently cannot manage to find an online dictionary- [for encomaist] me should you have difficulties with your literacy skills with which you are apparently as a singular individual[speaking for others???in what capacity and who asked you anyway except you in many forms of being confused by the level of the discussion] are having troubles with as others found the word you could not and alluded it to forum discussion I am grateful you have no clue what I am speaking of as you cannot find an online word that is splashed across the internet ye gods!many kind thanks& May God Bless You
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:10 PM
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I remember Jackie too but she was a highly cultured & educated person so what she did not do to other's children including those of Onassis [and it is a well known fact that she and Christina did get on very well and there are pictures to prove it] she did compensate for in arts and other areas of life. In that you are a great admirer of hers is you looking at the exterior of an individual and not the interior.I am sorry to read that you snicker and that you might feel emotion like that.Merry Christmas

Jaya-for the love of all things holy. Please try to read a response carefully before throwing out names and concepts that have NOTHING TO DO WITH THE SUBJECT AT HAND.

Yes, Ms Onassis was a highly cultured woman I suppose. But I used her as an example NOT to post about her level of culture or education or whatever. You have stated that you can tell a person's feelings from looking at pictures.I used examples such as Ms Onassis, Princess Anne and the late King of the Belgians to refute this... Not to comment on culture , or Ms Onassis allegedly bad relationship with her ADULT step daughter.

You state that as an admirer of Ms Onassis I am looking at the interior and not the exterior. How, pray tell, do you know this?

I am not attempting apart or be hostile. I am simply trying to understand where you are coming from. Thank you.
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:19 PM
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I also mean no disrespect but all is self explanatory here. I kindly ask that you private message me since you apparently cannot manage to find an online dictionary- [for encomaist] me should you have difficulties with your literacy skills with which you are apparently as a singular individual having troubles with as others found theword you could not and how they allude to the forum again.many kind thanks
My literacy skills are fine Jaya. Thanks for your concern. And since we are being honest here can I recommend that you CEASE attempting to impress others by throwing out names and ideas(Camus, Byzantine icons, Charles Dickens) for no other reason than to try and impress? Because these names and ideas rarely have anything to do with subject matter(Albert of Monaco's relationship with a South African swimmer) and you just sound...FOOLISH.

Many kind thanks to you as well!
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Old 12-12-2007, 09:24 PM
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God Bless you and your faith but comprehension of the Byzantine ideologies are a different story and what you consider over the top[swell] is a look at a surpassing truth.
Whatever questions and opinions about Byzantium as alluded to by me regarding snapshots of CW or anybody else are better directed to the world's formeost authority on the subject and how it relates to physiognomical positivism today:
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many thanks for allowing me my over the top opinion and I too join in your heartfelt wish that we have more positive and 'substantial' things to discuss in the New Year.
Jaya,

Brilliant!
I'm afraid you are wasting your time and knowledge, as your words are far beyond what is not simple here, they seem too esoteric for those unversed. I'm afraid no matter how hard you try - This is not your audience.
Perhaps that is a good thing!
It seems most have jumped shipped by now. If there is any postive energy here I don't see it, as it seems the choice was to bring more endless negative post turned inward towards others with differing opinions looking for argument of any kind. The choice of the negative expression towards your post, for what reason? But the choice was more negativity always towards others. I don't see any evidence here that anyone is promoting any positive expression, that's a very funny way of promoting it. Kind of like invading a country to promote democracy? Considering the mascot here, perhaps it's time to move to a more comprehensive arena
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Old 12-12-2007, 10:34 PM
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I am thoroughly enjoying these post Jaya, Sandsla and all. I love all the comparisons and the raising of the intellectual bar. Seriously I really enjoy when the posts make you think. I thought the icon/Princess Grace inference was brilliant. I smiled with the thought of icons - Of course the timing with Christmas and all was not lost either. Thanks for making the posts worth reading and presenting things in a new creative and challenging way. The Onassis comparisons also brilliant!
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Let's get back to the subject at hand and avoid getting personal please. If you have issues with others please take it to private message and not on the boards.

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Old 12-28-2007, 12:23 AM
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Has or does anyone know if Charlene got an engagement ring for Christmas or not?
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:08 AM
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Nope if she did it will be all over news and papers.
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Old 12-28-2007, 11:01 AM
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I think the story is getting old and uninteresting.

As far as there being no engagment announced yet, it doesn't seem very likely after all this time. Also, in following what has been written about this PA/CW soap opera and looking at some of the press following his past serious relationships, especially the stories of Alicia Warlick, like this one here, it seems apparent that PA loves the story or idea of him marrying an Olympic Athlete. With Alicia in 2004 the annoucment was suppose to come on this 45th birthday with a wedding after the Athens Olympics.

Albert's intended is an American--as was his mother, Grace Kelly, before she gave up acting to marry Prince Rainier. To become a princess, Alicia Warlick will give up pole vaulting. The official announcement is expected to come on Albert's 45th birthday in March, with the wedding not likely until after Alicia can compete in the Athens Olympics in 2004 MARITAL STATUSU.S. pole vaulter to become princess | Chicago Sun-Times | Find Articles at BNET.com


Now it is 4 years later and everyone is expecting an announcement to come with CW, but this time the only changes are its a swimmer not a pole vaulter and now the wedding is to be after the 2008 Beijing Olympics, not the 2004 Athens Olympics. Also Alicia had the same blonde hair, blue eye Grace Kelly look that Charlene tries very hard to copy as well.

IMO, PA should stop trying to manufacture his love story. Just before his father got married, Prince Rainier sought the guidance from his priest and visited several catholic shrines in prayer for his future princess. The result was Grace Kelly. IMO before he makes any decisions, PA should do something like this too. If he just let life happen and God take control, it will be a more beautiful story than anything he could ever manufacture or contrive, and on top of that, he would be happy.

IMO, neither PA or CW look happy or in love which is probably why there has been no annoncement yet.
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Old 12-28-2007, 01:29 PM
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The story about the Albert and Alicia announcement thing was made up I read from her side but he wasn't in love with her and broke it off. He was seeing Nicole and Alexandre was conceived. He hasn't come out and said he isn't considering marriage with Charlene. Just no plans at this time. If they became engaged don't you think it would be wondered why she didn't compete in swimming for Monaco? I would.

Also if she received an engagement ring for a present that would mean she wouldn't have to give it back if they broke up.
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Old 12-29-2007, 09:18 PM
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But we're all just sitting on pins and needles. I guess we shouldn't be. Perhaps the next targeted (hoped for) date is in January- isn't that CW's birth month?

Re the engagement ring-what would be wrong with her keeping it if it ended? Along with, hopefully, many lovely memories and some possible other gifts of import-mucho import!!!,IMO
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Old 12-29-2007, 09:26 PM
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Well he is the last bachelor to be married among his generation: a little suspense can do us good !
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If Albert gave Charlene a ring for engagement if he break it off she will have to gave it back. If he buy it for her as christmas gift she can keep it. I wonder did they spend together or he spend with his family and she spend christmas with her family.
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Old 12-30-2007, 10:55 PM
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I wonder what Prince Albert and Charlene are up to. She has not appeared by his side in any Christmas public appearance. Maybe they are vacationing together somewhere and hopefully we will see them together again after the holidays. Last time she disappeared, she came back with breast implants. Maybe this time she will come back with an engagement ring.
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Old 12-31-2007, 05:00 AM
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Or maybe she won't come back.

I'm sorry, but I can't bring myself to like Charlene. At first, I was pretty much neutral about her, but now it's like...why bother? She has yet to bring anything to the table not for Albert but for Monaco. She doesn't seem to be interested in anything but his pretty arm-candy (with an equally vapid expression). Charlene is obviously in love with the prospect of being a princess and will do anything to get to the position, but how many other women before her acted the same way and where are they now?

That, and the breast implants -- she should have never have gotten them. Her new implants have just ruined her career and she doesn't even have a ring on her finger!

You know what, after all this she better have a ring because her reputation can only sink so low.

And Charlene is not only to blame; a lot of it is Albert's fault, too. I wish he would just come out and say, "I'm just not meant for marriage" and end it or let her go. He's almost 50, he has two children (even though they're illegitimate they will still carry his genes), and he has the heirs just in case thanks to Caroline. If he truly does want to marry, then he should try to find an educated cultured woman who will be a great asset to him as a wife, lover, mother of his future?children, step-mother to his current children, and will truly care about Monaco's welfare.

Sorry for the rant but I've held it in for so long!
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Old 12-31-2007, 08:47 AM
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Or maybe she won't come back.

I'm sorry, but I can't bring myself to like Charlene. At first, I was pretty much neutral about her, but now it's like...why bother? She has yet to bring anything to the table not for Albert but for Monaco. She doesn't seem to be interested in anything but his pretty arm-candy (with an equally vapid expression). Charlene is obviously in love with the prospect of being a princess and will do anything to get to the position, but how many other women before her acted the same way and where are they now?

That, and the breast implants -- she should have never have gotten them. Her new implants have just ruined her career and she doesn't even have a ring on her finger!

You know what, after all this she better have a ring because her reputation can only sink so low.

And Charlene is not only to blame; a lot of it is Albert's fault, too. I wish he would just come out and say, "I'm just not meant for marriage" and end it or let her go. He's almost 50, he has two children (even though they're illegitimate they will still carry his genes), and he has the heirs just in case thanks to Caroline. If he truly does want to marry, then he should try to find an educated cultured woman who will be a great asset to him as a wife, lover, mother of his future?children, step-mother to his current children, and will truly care about Monaco's welfare.

Sorry for the rant but I've held it in for so long!
Glad to see you got it out of your system before the start of the new year, a very healthy thing to do!! Since your name is Oxygen, let us all hope that a breath of fresh air will sweep into Monaco in the new year !!!

I wish you all a happy, healthy and safe New Year!! and to all the Grimaldi's the same for them and for Monaco!
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