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Old 09-27-2007, 12:30 PM
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France-Argentine : Charlene Wittstock : 1 - François Fillon : 0 - Confidentiels - Lepoint.fr

The story about Charlene's remarks to M Fillon are here. I believe Le Point is pretty respectable. I've read and seen links on another board that this was picked up by more "hard news" papers as well. I'll look for those links...
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Le Monde.fr : Le XV de France au centre d'une mêlée politique
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Selon une anecdote rapportée par Le Figaro Magazine du 15 septembre, "agacé par le comportement de la compagne du prince Albert de Monaco, qui applaudissait le jeu argentin, François Fillon n'a pu s'empêcher de lui faire remarquer le côté "déplaisant" de la situation." "J'applaudis ceux qui jouent au rugby", aurait rétorqué Charlene Wittstock, une citoyenne d'Afrique du Sud.
Some of us posted about them on Monaco.freeforum.
When you watch pics she was beside french prime minister !!! such a mistake for the glamourous girlfriend!!!
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Old 09-27-2007, 01:03 PM
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Here's another link:
Le Monde.fr : Le XV de France au centre d'une mêlée politique

Some of us posted about them on Monaco.freeforum.
When you watch pics she was beside french prime minister !!! such a mistake for the glamourous girlfriend!!!
Au contraire, such a mistake for Albert for not teaching his girlfriend what is the proper protocol to follow with foreign dignitaries.
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Old 09-27-2007, 02:26 PM
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Au contraire, such a mistake for Albert for not teaching his girlfriend what is the proper protocol to follow with foreign dignitaries.
I agree! PA is the one who needs to put his act together. He is the Prince and a sovereign, he should have known by now how to behave and who to take with him when meeting with other dignitaries (in private or public settings).
Charlene is just Charlene for now, and the fact that PA or anyone around him didn't take time to coach/teach her manners and protocol when in PA's company speaks volumes. Neither PA nor palace protocol personnel think that they should waste their time on her.
Taking her out in public without previous extensive training (unfortunately that is what Charlene needs) is PA's mistake not Charlene's.
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Old 09-27-2007, 04:36 PM
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I agree! PA is the one who needs to put his act together. He is the Prince and a sovereign, he should have known by now how to behave and who to take with him when meeting with other dignitaries (in private or public settings).
Charlene is just Charlene for now, and the fact that PA or anyone around him didn't take time to coach/teach her manners and protocol when in PA's company speaks volumes. Neither PA nor palace protocol personnel think that they should waste their time on her.
Taking her out in public without previous extensive training (unfortunately that is what Charlene needs) is PA's mistake not Charlene's.
Excellent remark, if Charlene was so important for albert's eyes to make a wife, the future princess then he (or his circle of acquaintances) would have her learnt the details of the protocol, to behave better. Thus she does not have to be her elected representative (I know: it is the speculation) but it is all that leaves us albert
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Old 09-27-2007, 07:07 PM
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You might all be on to something. Perhaps PA and the Palace are not bothering to "train" her because PA already realizes he has no intention of marrying her and has informed them not to waste their time.

If this is so, shame on PA for trotting her around everywhere where she apparently hasn't a clue on how to conduct herself and shame on her for allowing it.

But...if it's an arrangement that makes them both happy, I guess there is nothing anyone can do.
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Old 09-27-2007, 07:28 PM
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Au contraire, such a mistake for Albert for not teaching his girlfriend what is the proper protocol to follow with foreign dignitaries.
Well, maybe that she is so plainspoken is why he was attracted to her?

But yes, he (or somebody) should now concentrate on tightening up her manners now that they seem to have gotten the clothes and the hair cleaned up.
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Old 09-27-2007, 07:56 PM
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Excellent remark, if Charlene was so important for albert's eyes to make a wife, the future princess then he (or his circle of acquaintances) would have her learnt the details of the protocol, to behave better. Thus she does not have to be her elected representative (I know: it is the speculation) but it is all that leaves us albert
Well, but this is giving Albert the worst of all worlds. As long as he's carting her round to official and semi-official events, it's up to him or his protocol people to make sure she's clued up enough to not embarrass him and his opposite numbers in other countries. If he wants to show everyone that he really doesn't care enough about her to give a damn, he should send her packing. This really is becoming stranger and stranger.
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Old 09-27-2007, 08:20 PM
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Well, but this is giving Albert the worst of all worlds. As long as he's carting her round to official and semi-official events, it's up to him or his protocol people to make sure she's clued up enough to not embarrass him and his opposite numbers in other countries. If he wants to show everyone that he really doesn't care enough about her to give a damn, he should send her packing. This really is becoming stranger and stranger.
I have to agree the whole thing is odd. Maybe that's why we are all getting a bit frustrated. It's like watching a good soap opera and trying to tell the players that their in trouble. Of course they can't here us but we try anyway. I always like the tv show Dynasty. Maybe we are treating Charlene like the Joan Collins character. We want someone to put her in her place and make her behave.
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Old 09-28-2007, 07:40 AM
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Well, but this is giving Albert the worst of all worlds. As long as he's carting her round to official and semi-official events, it's up to him or his protocol people to make sure she's clued up enough to not embarrass him and his opposite numbers in other countries. If he wants to show everyone that he really doesn't care enough about her to give a damn, he should send her packing. This really is becoming stranger and stranger.
Yes you are right to say that it gives a bad aspect to the prince, a bad role.
There is a proverb which says: " is better to be alone than badly accompanied " maybe that albert does not like being only then he prefers to be badly accompanied IMO
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Old 09-28-2007, 08:00 AM
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She was a guest and insulted her host that is rude on her part. She was apparently very obnoxious in her comments. I would ask that you go back to the source where the article is stated and read it. It is not about the French PM being thin skinned it is that she was just plain rude to her host. When Albert attended the Irish/French match he was no longer seated with the French dignitaries and Charlene was not at the game. The correct way to handle a situation like that is to say something like " Too bad the French team has not been playing well lately. It looks to me like Argentina has the stronger team and may well win today." That is voicing one's opinion without insulting one's host. She showed that she had no manners at all.
You are correct, I should have read the article. I have now, and it does sound like she was exhibiting at the very least bad manners. Either she thinks she's so special that she can get away with it, or she just doesn't have a clue. Or, perhaps, both.
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Old 09-28-2007, 10:17 AM
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Well, but this is giving Albert the worst of all worlds. As long as he's carting her round to official and semi-official events, it's up to him or his protocol people to make sure she's clued up enough to not embarrass him and his opposite numbers in other countries. If he wants to show everyone that he really doesn't care enough about her to give a damn, he should send her packing. This really is becoming stranger and stranger.
Elspeth,
That is exactly it!
(IMO) He shouldn't be bringing anyone who isn't his wife to these events. Even more of a problem when his date doesn't have the grace or common sense to know how to behave like a grown up. I agree if he is going to bring her, he should know her behavior reflects on him! Carting her around is the right phrase. He should be trying to phase her out, I believe he's stuck with with her now.
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Old 09-28-2007, 10:22 AM
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Well, maybe that she is so plainspoken is why he was attracted to her?

But yes, he (or somebody) should now concentrate on tightening up her manners now that they seem to have gotten the clothes and the hair cleaned up.
"you can dress them up, but you can't take them out"
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Old 09-28-2007, 10:29 AM
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Yes you are right to say that it gives a bad aspect to the prince, a bad role.
There is a proverb which says: " is better to be alone than badly accompanied " maybe that albert does not like being only then he prefers to be badly accompanied IMO
That has always been my motto!
Especially, when people are speculating that she could be his wife, which makes it worse. Since often it's the woman who makes the man. Not very promising, as it looks like we are already starting to see it?
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Old 09-28-2007, 11:25 AM
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You are correct, I should have read the article. I have now, and it does sound like she was exhibiting at the very least bad manners. Either she thinks she's so special that she can get away with it, or she just doesn't have a clue. Or, perhaps, both.
Thanks lea, I haven't quite figured out how to pull articles forward but things to start to get a life of their own so I find it's always best to go back to the source what ever the source may be!
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Old 09-28-2007, 12:48 PM
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Well, but this is giving Albert the worst of all worlds. As long as he's carting her round to official and semi-official events, it's up to him or his protocol people to make sure she's clued up enough to not embarrass him and his opposite numbers in other countries. If he wants to show everyone that he really doesn't care enough about her to give a damn, he should send her packing. This really is becoming stranger and stranger.
i second you, I think they are foolish!
I don't know if PR will be able to do something to improve Albert's image, because when he's in Monaco, he's parading (sorry Mandy) with her and when he's exporting her she makes a mistake.
I think he only wants to be with a blonde and he doesn't care about what people are thinking even if he's head of state. We have to wait and see if he'll find his brain.
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Old 09-29-2007, 06:46 PM
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Well, but this is giving Albert the worst of all worlds. As long as he's carting her round to official and semi-official events, it's up to him or his protocol people to make sure she's clued up enough to not embarrass him and his opposite numbers in other countries. If he wants to show everyone that he really doesn't care enough about her to give a damn, he should send her packing. This really is becoming stranger and stranger.
Precisely -- which is why a many of us have been either scratching our collective heads or beating them against a wall for nearly two years now. Many of us are over laying the blame for the poor behaviour from both of them because Albert is clearly in a position now whereby he can tell Palace protocol officers to mind their own business. Albert probably finds the lack of emphasis on proper behaviour in his female companions "refreshing" and hints at a more private life that he wishes he could live. However, I doubt he realizes that his position and wealth is what allows him to live the playboy lifestyle he cherishes.

I blame no one for Charlene's behaviour but Charlene. She is old enough (at least physically) to have some iota of what is acceptable in certain situations. Apparently her situation with Albert makes her feel that she is above certain things such as manners and respect for another's position which are ironically not very royal behaviour.

Would I like to believe that this incident may the beginning of the end of this relationship, I don't know. It's gotten some play in the mainstream press and regardless of what happens it reflects badly on Albert. Can you imagine what it would happen is Charlene pulled something like that with another royal family or head of state? Whatever Albert would have hoped to achieve on a world stage to make him look like a "player," Charlene could and would destroy all of that.
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Old 09-29-2007, 08:52 PM
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Well, but this is giving Albert the worst of all worlds. As long as he's carting her round to official and semi-official events, it's up to him or his protocol people to make sure she's clued up enough to not embarrass him and his opposite numbers in other countries. If he wants to show everyone that he really doesn't care enough about her to give a damn, he should send her packing. This really is becoming stranger and stranger.
Protocol or not, CW is and should be mature enough or aware enough (she's been exposed to semi-official and official events) to know how to conduct herself. My sister shares the same birthday as CW and, while their life experiences, are as long and wide as the Nile River, my sister can handle herself in social and professional settings without our mother or her employer telling her how to behave. Just my two cents.
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Charlene is not two year or three year to tell how to behave she know how. Even through she was invited to the game she had a right to speak her mind. It call FREEDOM OF SPEECH. France had a bad game so, she felt she had a right to cheer the other team. Who was playing good. But the prime minister don't have to worry Monaco has real bad game sometime. I wonder if Charlene would cheer for the other team if Monaco was playing?
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Old 09-30-2007, 09:14 AM
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Charlene is not two year or three year to tell how to behave she know how. Even through she was invited to the game she had a right to speak her mind. It call FREEDOM OF SPEECH. France had a bad game so, she felt she had a right to cheer the other team. Who was playing good. But the prime minister don't have to worry Monaco has real bad game sometime. I wonder if Charlene would cheer for the other team if Monaco was playing?
Are you serious goody7058?
It is not a matter of FREDDOM OF SPEECH, it is a matter of GOOD MANNERS.
Charlene was a guest of Sarkozy.
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Old 09-30-2007, 10:16 AM
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Are you serious goody7058?
It is not a matter of FREDDOM OF SPEECH, it is a matter of GOOD MANNERS.
Charlene was a guest of Sarkozy.
I really don't know if she was Sarko's guest, I know they were both in official box with french president and french prime minister... she had to have good manners nothing else, and she had not. Her mistake is Albert's mistake.
If Albert wants to export her out of Monaco, he should know that his mistress is only a blonde beside him who has to keep quiet.
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