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Old 11-27-2006, 03:19 AM
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I found something interesting a few minutes ago that might help those who want laws changed in favor of Jazmin. If Albert was to marry Nicole Alexandre would be his heir because she wasn't legally married at the time of his birth.

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In Jazmin's case, however, marrying the mother would probably not legitimate her nor give her a place in the line of succession as she would likely be considered an "adulterine" child. The man to whom her mother had been married since 1987, David Schumacher, filed for a divorce from Rotolo on 13 September 1991 in California, according to a San Diego Union-Tribune article by Jeff Wilson of the Associated Press. He cited as grounds "irreconcilable differences", and Rotelo did not contest the petition, the couple having been separated since April 1989. But an uncontested petition for dissolution of marriage cannot result in a final judgment of divorce "until six months have elapsed from the date the respondent was served with a copy of the summons and petition or the date of appearance of the respondent [in court]...", according to California Family Law Code §2339. At the earliest, therefore, Rotolo's divorce could not have become effective before 13 March 1992, nine days after Jazmin's birth. Article 227 of the Monégasque civil code stipulates that "Children born outside of marriage, other than adulterine children, are legitimated by the subsequent marriage of their father and mother..." Since Jazmin was born while her mother was legally married to a man (David Schumacher) other than her biological father, she would thus probably be ineligible for legitimation even if her parents were to marry in the future.
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Old 11-27-2006, 03:47 AM
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LadyMacAlpine, thank you for posting this info. But I still think that it will not stop some people from hoping that Albert will change the constitution one day and make Jazmin his heir.
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Old 11-27-2006, 10:39 AM
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Well, I do not think he'll ever change the constitution. I don't think Caroline would sit quiet in a corner, and she might act like her aunt Antoinette did, when she tried to organize a coup.
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Old 11-27-2006, 11:09 AM
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LadyMacAlpine, thank you for posting this info. But I still think that it will not stop some people from hoping that Albert will change the constitution one day and make Jazmin his heir.
what people?? her mother ??
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Old 11-27-2006, 11:58 AM
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I found something interesting a few minutes ago that might help those who want laws changed in favor of Jazmin. If Albert was to marry Nicole Alexandre would be his heir because she wasn't legally married at the time of his birth.
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Article 227 of the Monégasque civil code stipulates that "Children born outside of marriage, other than adulterine children, are legitimated by the subsequent marriage of their father and mother..." Since Jazmin was born while her mother was legally married to a man (David Schumacher) other than her biological father, she would thus probably be ineligible for legitimation even if her parents were to marry in the future.
That's very interesting LadyMac. I hadn't read that before. It's as if when PR revised the constitution, he had this very situation in mind. I notice that that clause would legitimize Camille and Alexandre but not Jazmin. PR knew about Camille but not Alexandre.
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Old 11-27-2006, 01:15 PM
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That's very interesting LadyMac. I hadn't read that before. It's as if when PR revised the constitution, he had this very situation in mind. I notice that that clause would legitimize Camille and Alexandre but not Jazmin. PR knew about Camille but not Alexandre.
I am of the belief that PR knew about Alexandre. I don't think Albert told him, but I believe he knew. I have often heard that PR made it his business to know everything that was going on. Just my random thoughts.
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Old 11-27-2006, 01:41 PM
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I am of the belief that PR knew about Alexandre. I don't think Albert told him, but I believe he knew. I have often heard that PR made it his business to know everything that was going on. Just my random thoughts.
Yes he was quite abusy bee and had a lot of them working for him too. I also think that he knew, but didn't bother talking to Albert about it since it wouldn't change anything. Rainier knew all his children very well and all the problems their personalities might entail. And in his testament and the change of the constitution he made sure that it was taken into account. I am sure that he also made those changes with regards to the legitimacy of the heir, because he knew what sort of mothers Albert might have illegitimate children with and what sort of upbringing they might receive, but also to not lower Alberts chances of marrying and avoiding later quarrels over whose right to the throne. He probably also foresaw, that his son would need a long time to acquire the authority and power to get another change of the constitution through and by that time he might be reasonable enough to make a wise decision. JMO.
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Old 11-27-2006, 02:42 PM
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That's very interesting LadyMac. I hadn't read that before. It's as if when PR revised the constitution, he had this very situation in mind. I notice that that clause would legitimize Camille and Alexandre but not Jazmin. PR knew about Camille but not Alexandre.
Ok, who is Camille?
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Old 11-27-2006, 02:59 PM
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Ok, who is Camille?
Stephanie´s illegitimate daughter, the little one.
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Old 11-27-2006, 03:56 PM
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I hope Jazmin left Fiji already. I just saw on the cover page of the MSN site that they are on the verge of a military coup to oust the prime minister.
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Old 11-27-2006, 04:21 PM
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what people?? her mother ??
Some people on this board, I think.
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Old 11-27-2006, 04:30 PM
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I agree with both Libra and Paca, I think Prince Ranier knew about Alexander, he knew that Albert was still seeing Nicole and I also feel that he had pictures of Alexander and he knew that Albert had them living in his Apartment in Paris. I also feel that he said absolutely nothing to Albert but wanted to see if he would one day tell him what he already knew about Alex
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Old 11-27-2006, 04:57 PM
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I hope Jazmin left Fiji already. I just saw on the cover page of the MSN site that they are on the verge of a military coup to oust the prime minister.
IIRC, she was there for an 8 day trip (oh, excuse me, an "eight-day humanitarian tour". My bad). As that was the 20th, she should still be there (or not if she's smart). Let's hope this doesn't end in a claim for diplomatic immunity or something and that Albert doesn't have to bail them out. Literally or figuratively speaking.
Mmm, I hope I didn't put any ideas into anyone's head...
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Old 11-27-2006, 05:15 PM
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I agree with both Libra and Paca, I think Prince Ranier knew about Alexander, he knew that Albert was still seeing Nicole and I also feel that he had pictures of Alexander and he knew that Albert had them living in his Apartment in Paris. I also feel that he said absolutely nothing to Albert but wanted to see if he would one day tell him what he already knew about Alex
Especially since the Monegasque consulat is in the same building and her car was in the name of the consulat. So, IMO, no way could he have not unofficially known about it. But I don't think he was really interested to know more. He knew the child was taken care of and he had taken care of the constitution. He was probaly pleased as punch for his foresight, but at the same time not happy about having been so right about his son. I suppose he would have preferred Albert to surprise him in a positive way by not making the mistakes that he anticipated him to make.
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Old 11-27-2006, 05:46 PM
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Stephanie´s illegitimate daughter, the little one.
(laughing) Why do some insist on "labeling" -- especially the children. Do you for a second think anyone in the family refers this to this in that way? (laughing)
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Old 11-27-2006, 05:50 PM
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IIRC, she was there for an 8 day trip (oh, excuse me, an "eight-day humanitarian tour". My bad). As that was the 20th, she should still be there (or not if she's smart). Let's hope this doesn't end in a claim for diplomatic immunity or something and that Albert doesn't have to bail them out. Literally or figuratively speaking.
Mmm, I hope I didn't put any ideas into anyone's head...
is right! 8 Island tour... 8 Island tour not and 8 day tour
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Old 11-27-2006, 06:06 PM
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ThrustWorthy, I quoted directly from the Fiji Times article, as this is the only source we have and it states:
"start of an eight-day humanitarian tour" and "sets sail for seven islands".
Sorry, but I'm right. Read for yourself: http://www.fijitimes.com/story.aspx?id=52049

Hope you don't have a headache from all that banging your head.

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Old 11-27-2006, 06:35 PM
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Albert, thought that he could keep Jazmine and Alex a secret but like they famous quote is said what is ever in the darkness it will come to light.He wanted to try to keep some of his life actually private which did not work.
Maybe next thing he will think use common sense and think before he reacts. And not do something that will not only hurt his reputation or other people that he knowns.
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Old 11-27-2006, 07:18 PM
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(laughing) Why do some insist on "labeling" -- especially the children. Do you for a second think anyone in the family refers this to this in that way?
Someone asked a question, Which one is Camille? Rosana was just specifying. In other words, the one whose father is not Daniel Ducruet, the only one who fits the "illegitimate" description, and "the little one," indeed the smallest of her kids. Sounds like a sensible description to answer the question it was meant to address.
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Old 11-27-2006, 07:55 PM
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I for one, agree with Trustworthy on this one. I hate the term illegitmate just as I hate adopted....it just has (or appears to have) a negative implication. As if Camille is treated any different than her "legitimate" kids. Other than being in the line of succession does it really matter? With that in mind, I am sure Rosana didn't mean it that way. That just my personal cross to bear :)
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