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Old 06-01-2006, 11:31 AM
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I can not see How a father can love a child produce from a one night stand.That is too much to ask of any man.
It's not the child's fault that she was conceived during a one night stand..The child is innocent.It's the parents that should be held accountable and no matter how a child is conceived it still has the right to both parents..
Any man? Well, that would depend on the character.One needs to look beyond one's personal feelings and rise up to the task..In an ideal world..of course..
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Old 06-01-2006, 11:33 AM
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A bodyguard escorts Jazmin Grace, the 14-year-old illegitmate daughter of Prince Albert of Monaco, to St. Margaret's, the private Palm Desert, Calif., school where she is an eighth grader. Prince Albert acknowledged fathering Jazmin Grace with Tamara Rotolo, an ex-waitress and Palm Desert resident who is said to have had a brief affair with Prince Albert while she vacationed in Monaco in July 1991. Palm Desert, California (USA) - May 2006 **EXCLUSIVE**/0606011259
There are some new Pictures from today of Jazmin going to school I am not going to post the Pics only the caption under the pics . Some one else can post them.
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Old 06-01-2006, 11:35 AM
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PA probably acted without thinking. When you are a man with so much popularity, you should be carreful. But, I think that Jazmin and Alexandre's mothers manipulated him. PA isn't the only one to blame. If they (Tamara Rotolo and Nicole Coste) didn't use contraception, they knew that they could be pregnant.
It's easy to blame PA, because he is not perfect. But, mothers are guilty too. They knew that their baby will never be with their father.

I would like to know if mothers decided to have their baby (knowing the situation) because they could be famous, because their child could be famous, because they really want to have a baby (even if the child will not see their father), etc.

It's my personal way of life, but if I was pregnant and if the father was a non serious affair, I did not want to have the baby.
Yes, but even if they did, either Nicole or Tamara, things do "happen." There have been cases where women who have used controception and still ended up pregnant.
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Old 06-01-2006, 11:46 AM
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Why? The Grimaldi name doesn't even belong to Albert to give. It belongs to the heirs to the throne of MC, which he is at the moment. This is why Andrea would adopt that name if he ever suceeded to the Monegasque throne.
It's my opinion that the child has the right to bear the surname of his or her father. And I agree with the person who said they deserve the privileges that go along with that surname. They didn't ask to be here and the circumstances of their conception are sad so I say give the kids whatever they deserve.
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Old 06-01-2006, 11:57 AM
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It's my opinion that the child has the right to bear the surname of his or her father. And I agree with the person who said they deserve the privileges that go along with that surname. They didn't ask to be here and the circumstances of their conception are sad so I say give the kids whatever they deserve.
Obviously the child will enjoy an extremely privileged life as a result of being conceived from a brief affair her mother had with PA. Most children in this world are not so lucky. As far as her surname, remember PA is not an American. He is the prince of monaco, no doubt the reason TR was attracted to him in the first place, imo. Whatever the American sensibility is on surnames for out-of-wedlock children does not necessarily carry the same weight elsewhere. In Europe for instance, an unmarried woman cannot put any other surname on her child's birth certificate but her own (there may be exceptions). I mean no offense.:)
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Old 06-01-2006, 12:19 PM
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Well, the child was born in the USA and presumably US law is the relevant issue. If her last name is legally Grimaldi as far as the US is concerned, then Grimaldi would be the correct surname while she's a US citizen resident in the USA. If she moves to Monaco, things may be different.

I'm open to changing the thread title if someone can come up with something more relevant to US law than a statement from Prince Albert's lawyer about the legal situtation in Monaco.
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Old 06-01-2006, 12:20 PM
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Obviously the child will enjoy an extremely privileged life as a result of being conceived from a brief affair her mother had with PA. Most children in this world are not so lucky. As far as her surname, remember PA is not an American. He is the prince of monaco, no doubt the reason TR was attracted to him in the first place, imo. Whatever the American sensibility is on surnames for out-of-wedlock children does not necessarily carry the same weight elsewhere. In Europe for instance, an unmarried woman cannot put any other surname on her child's birth certificate but her own (there may be exceptions). I mean no offense.:)
In France, a unmarried woman can put the name of baby's father on the child's birth certificate if the father declared that he's the father. It could be when the baby born or later if there's no father name in the birth certificate.
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Old 06-01-2006, 12:21 PM
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There are some new Pictures from today of Jazmin going to school I am not going to post the Pics only the caption under the pics . Some one else can post them.
what site is it on
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Old 06-01-2006, 12:21 PM
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Wow, Lets just hope that there are no more little Alberts roaming the earth somewhere because it cant be good on his reputation. I agree that these children should be giving all the benefits as children of a prince and not be treated any less because they are seen as illegitimate. I hope Albert is the best father to them as he might be with a so called legitimate child he may have in the near future. I don't see why if Albert cannot have them be in the succession if he end up not having anymore kids. I do understand about the law stating that no illegitimate children can be in line for the succession. I also would be interested in what the other royals house must be thinking, but knowing the histories of many of these royal houses they have no room to look down upon Monco's princely house.
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Old 06-01-2006, 12:33 PM
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Why? The Grimaldi name doesn't even belong to Albert to give. It belongs to the heirs to the throne of MC, which he is at the moment. This is why Andrea would adopt that name if he ever suceeded to the Monegasque throne.
The Grimaldi name or any royal name does not belong exclusively to those who will have access to the throne, a name is something that you take from your father, you can call it a right or you can call it a formality.

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I can not see How a father can love a child produce from a one night stand.That is too much to ask of any man.
If he is risponsable for his acts, he can start a relationship with his child, I am pretty sure that love can grow in a relationship and that is more probably when it is your own blood.
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Old 06-01-2006, 12:40 PM
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This is some kind of news.
Finally, some sort of confirmation after all of the debates.
I always thought that Jazmin was Albert's daughter. I never believed that a woman could maintain a lie so strongly for so many years and that Albert could publically ignore such a lie if he did not know the truth himself already. It would have driven him nuts! I also think that PA & Jazmin have had a quiet relationship for sometimeso hopefully the issue of who abused this child more (PA or TR) would be put to rest. I do believe Albert has been supporting Jazmin as well (hence thier security over the years).
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Old 06-01-2006, 12:41 PM
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I can not see How a father can love a child produce from a one night stand.That is too much to ask of any man.
I totally disagree and so would Boris Becker! Another man who sired a child from a one night (hour) stand. He has been quoted as saying despite the circumstances of her conception and her birth, he adores his little girl.
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Old 06-01-2006, 12:48 PM
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what site is it on
The site is Newscom
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Old 06-01-2006, 12:49 PM
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I totally disagree and so would Boris Becker! Another man who sired a child from a one night (hour) stand. He has been quoted as saying despite the circumstances of her conception and her birth, he adores his little girl.
I am in complete agreement with you & Boris Becker.
No matter what the circumstanes a child is there to be loved.
I would have to say that young Prince Louis of Luxomberg has handled the birth of his illegitamate son much better than Albert & look at the age differences.
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Old 06-01-2006, 01:07 PM
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For those of you who suspect Albert has been supporting Jazmin since near the time she was born (unconfirmed of course), here is a snippet: "Now it turns out big Al has fathered another child, a 14 year old daughter, born in the summer of 1991 in California. Allegedly he's been paying $9,540 a month child support since 1992." Here's the link: http://blogs.papermag.com/2006/05/31...ew-love-child/
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Old 06-01-2006, 01:14 PM
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http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/membe...bcart=1&page=1

the newscom link to the photos. also if you put jazmin grace grimaldi then you'll see all sorts of certificates.
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jazmin can't be a grimaldi, as the name is tied up with the constitution of monaco, only children of a catholic wedlock can have the surname. its like the surname is distinctive with the title like for example not anyone can call themselves the queen of the united kingdom.
i also personally think PA has fallen in a trap(twice) that many people of his popularity and wealth succumb to. And also remember that he was young too. i will also like to point out that the King of Belgians King Albert has fathered an illegitamite daughter, and as far as i beleive he's well respected by his subjects.
i would also like to point out that PA was young( and foolish) and young men are foolish and reckless.
anyway, wasn't TR married and on vacation with her husband when she slept with PA.
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Old 06-01-2006, 01:46 PM
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jazmin can't be a grimaldi, as the name is tied up with the constitution of monaco, only children of a catholic wedlock can have the surname. its like the surname is distinctive with the title like for example not anyone can call themselves the queen of the united kingdom.
i also personally think PA has fallen in a trap(twice) that many people of his popularity and wealth succumb to. And also remember that he was young too. i will also like to point out that the King of Belgians King Albert has fathered an illegitamite daughter, and as far as i beleive he's well respected by his subjects.
i would also like to point out that PA was young( and foolish) and young men are foolish and reckless.
anyway, wasn't TR married and on vacation with her husband when she slept with PA.
Grimaldi is not a name tied up with Monaco. It's a legal name that any people born form a father named Grimaldi (member or not of the princely family) can bear.
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Old 06-01-2006, 02:04 PM
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Albert of Monaco Admits: I Fathered A Second Child-http://www.theroyalist.net/content/view/781/2/
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I don't know if it has already been posted, but if it has,, please delete it:
here's Jazmin Grace's birth certificate.

http://www.thedesertsun.com/assets/p...ertificate.pdf
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