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Old 06-20-2005, 07:32 PM
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OK -- here is some information that makes much better sense.

Tribunal de grande instance
(French "Bankruptcy Court" -- this is a multiple purpose court; not single purpose)

En France, le tribunal de grande instance est la juridiction civile de droit commun en première instance : il connaît des litiges qui ne sont pas attribués à une autre juridiction.

Par ailleurs, il dispose de compétences spéciales dont certaines sont exclusives.

La nature du litige détermine la compétence du tribunal de grande instance en matière d'actions personnelles mobilières. Si le montant de l'action est supérieur à 7 600 €, c'est le tribunal de grande instance qui est compétent. S'il est compris entre 7 600 et 1 500 €, c'est le tribunal d'instance qui est compétent. Enfin, si ce montant est inférieur à 1 500 €, le litige sera porté à la connaissance de la juridiction de proximité. Le pendant pénal du tribunal de grande instance est le tribunal correctionnel.

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Compétences Le tribunal de grande instance juge :

les conflits entre particuliers (affaires civiles) portant sur des sommes supérieures à 10 000 EUR , les litiges concernant, quel que soit le montant de la demande:

la famille (mariage, divorce, adoption, successions), les saisies immobilières, brevets d'invention, marques, la dissolution des associations.

Composition Le tribunal est composé de magistrats professionnels : président, vice-présidents, juges, procureur de la République, substituts. Il existe des juges spécialisés :

juge aux affaires familiales (problèmes de divorce, séparation), juge des loyers (litiges entre locataires et propriétaires de locaux commerciaux, artisanaux ou industriels) juge de l'expropriation (indemnité d'expropriation), juge de l'exécution (contentieux concernant notamment les saisies).

(I took the rest of it off..)
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Old 06-20-2005, 07:36 PM
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LadyMacAlpine -- Where did this story about her going for bankruptcy come from?

Also where did this statement from her 'friend' come from? How would this 'friend' know all of this? Did this 'friend' make an interview somewhere too?

There's alot of talking, but where does all of this come from?
SMDouglas made the post with a link to the article.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/france/200506...54.html?130004 What I read was a friend of hers joined a Message Board and made the post.





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Old 06-20-2005, 07:42 PM
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Thanks, I see it.:)

Seems that the courts in France are used for multiple purposes...

The system is not structured exactly the same as the english/anglo system. I am no expert, but there are some differences there.

One must remember that just because a particular court has a jurisdiction in the english/anglo system, does not mean it will have the exact same thing in the french system (or anywhere else, for that matter)

I would not easily know which thing she is pursuing at that meeting because I think it is possible that court handles different things...

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Old 06-20-2005, 08:05 PM
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Here is the english: (unfortunately I do not know the better translation for the french name of this court, I think it would be 'grand inquiry', but I cannot think of an english equivalent):

In France, the "Court of Bankruptcy" is the civil jurisdiction of common right in first authority: it knows litigations which are not allotted to another juridiction.

In other matters, it has special competences of which some are exclusives. The nature of the litigation determines the competence of the "Court of Bankruptcy" with regards to movable personal actions.

If the amount of the action is higher than 7 600 €, it is the Court of Bankruptcy which is qualified. If it lies between 7 600 and 1 500 €, it is the magistrates' court which is qualified. Lastly, if this amount is lower than 1 500 €, the litigation will be made available of the jurisdiction of proximité.

For penal issues the "Court of Bankruptcy" is the correctional court.

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Competences the "Court of Bankruptcy" judges:

conflicts between private individuals (civil cases) bearing on sums higher than 10 000 EUR, the litigations concerning, whatever the amount of the request:

the family (marriage, divorce, adoption, successions), seizures of property, patents, marks, the dissolution of associations.

Composition the court is composed professional magistrates:

chair, vice-presidents, judges, public prosecutor, substitutes.

There are specialized judges: judge with the family affairs (problems of divorce, separation), judge of the rents (litigations between tenants and owners of commercial, artisanal or industrial buildings) judge of expropriation (allowance of expropriation), judge of the execution (contentious relating to the seizures in particular).

etc., etc.
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Old 06-21-2005, 07:59 AM
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It's so nice to see pics of Caroline and Albert smiling and looking happy again after all the sad and strained pics during the ordeal with Prince Rainier. I'm glad the worst of it is behind them now. :)
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Old 06-21-2005, 09:52 AM
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albert looks like he lost some weight, does anyone else think so?
as different as it looks the cravat(aka fancy neck tie) looks great and i am speaking about the guy to caroline's far right.
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Old 06-22-2005, 05:18 PM
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some of you will take any information and see your opinions justified in it. If Nicole went to the grocery store you'd be like see, pics of them in grocery store, she has ruined her and her son's life, she is an unstable and unfit mother. Or it's all about the money, she wants to spend all she has now so she can milk albert later. Relax. You only have one side of the story.
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Old 06-22-2005, 05:58 PM
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some of you will take any information and see your opinions justified in it. If Nicole went to the grocery store you'd be like see, pics of them in grocery store, she has ruined her and her son's life, she is an unstable and unfit mother. Or it's all about the money, she wants to spend all she has now so she can milk albert later. Relax. You only have one side of the story.
I was feeling happy that people seemed to be moving away from this particular issue to talk about other things for the moment, but since you brought it back up...

I have a questions; have you actually read her story from Paris Match or Bunte or Chi? Or have you just got bits and pieces?
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Old 06-22-2005, 06:28 PM
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I was feeling happy that people seemed to be moving away from this particular issue to talk about other things for the moment, but since you brought it back up...

I have a questions; have you actually read her story from Paris Match or Bunte or Chi? Or have you just got bits and pieces?
I've read the Paris Match interview in its entirety. I totally agree with what some have already said, and that is we only have one side of the story. I don't feel like adding up because I don't have all material facts to form an opinion. With that said and I feel like staying in because of the rain, how about starting a poll on what the July announcement would be?
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Old 06-23-2005, 12:15 AM
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albert looks like he lost some weight, does anyone else think so?
as different as it looks the cravat(aka fancy neck tie) looks great and i am speaking about the guy to caroline's far right.
Yes, I agree with you about Albert, but I want to add - he looks like he lost not only some weight, but also he lost some courage and strenght of mind. IMHO, he looks sad, bitter and disappointed, it's somewhere deeply, but noticeable. The smile is not always a sign of good mood. His eyes say to me:"Oh, let me alone, please, please, please. I am in need of rest and piece of mind" .
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Old 06-24-2005, 04:51 PM
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I find your statement rather presumptuous no matter who you say it to.
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A paternity suit is a lawsuit filed to determine the father of a child born with questionable parentage. Once paternity is determined then support is discussed.
In some cases yes the money is an issue but in other cases it is not!
Just because someone files a paternity suit doesn't mean that they want money it may mean that they want their child to know their father and have a healthy emotional relationship with them. I think that Nicole very much wants this for her son. If it was all about the money she would have not waited 5 yrs to get pregnant she would had children right away & subsequently filed for paternity.


lashinka2002, in this case i think money is a big part of it for her.

I agree with you on a few things but certainly not on others. but I do not know either.

To me, it seem like this woman has a emotional strong attachment to Albert. I believe her wanting so much for the boy to have a 'strong relationship' is, in my opinion, also for a way for her to be in Albert's face and in his world.

And yes, it is just one side of the story out there. he has said nothing at all.

And anyway, there are millions of children out there who would do well to have just one parent who can love them and care for them.

This boy would not be the first; if this is Albert's son, why can't the boy make a relationship on his own if that's what he wants later? why do she have to try so hard to force the issue?
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Old 06-24-2005, 08:45 PM
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Trust me, it is NOT always about money. Whether or not it is with Nicole, we have no way of really knowing. But believe me, there are lots of us who have the means to raise a child very well without needing or wanting anyone else's money (and I'm not a billionaire or anything - I'm just comfortable and NOT OVERLY MATERIALISTIC). I think it's silly to make a blanket statement about anything being "always" anything unless it's scientifically proven. Everyone is not alike and everyone doesn't think alike. Just because I think a certain way about whatever, I know that there are lots of others who value other things more and do not think the same way. For example, a few of my friends who are quite materialistic (admittedly so) would definitely say it would always be about money (and to them it WOULD be). :)
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Old 06-24-2005, 10:42 PM
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lashinka2002, in this case i think money is a big part of it for her.

I agree with you on a few things but certainly not on others. but I do not know either.

To me, it seem like this woman has a emotional strong attachment to Albert. I believe her wanting so much for the boy to have a 'strong relationship' is, in my opinion, also for a way for her to be in Albert's face and in his world.

And yes, it is just one side of the story out there. he has said nothing at all.

And anyway, there are millions of children out there who would do well to have just one parent who can love them and care for them.

This boy would not be the first; if this is Albert's son, why can't the boy make a relationship on his own if that's what he wants later? why do she have to try so hard to force the issue?
I'm not sure I'm understanding here....
Millions of children may do ok without one parent, depending on the circumstances - but then unless your in that situation how would you really know? :o

I don't know what kind of attachment Nicole has towards Albert or vice versa but is Nicole to accept only financial support from Albert and maybe somewhat of an emotionaly supportive relationship for the boy if any? I think not! :(

Why would the boy make a relationship with Albert later in life if he is not acknowledged now (privately or publicly). That's very hurtful & insulting.
Not an easy thing to get over especially when its the father's resonsibiltiy to nurture & develop that relationship from birth not the son's.
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Old 06-24-2005, 11:40 PM
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room for change

can we change the subject because we dont have albert's side of the story. infact we still have several days to wait for him & his crew to make a statement, thats even if a statement will made in regards to this matter.
so until then, lets talk about what he does during the day or who he has been seen with u know things like this.:)
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Old 06-25-2005, 01:17 AM
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Why would the boy make a relationship with Albert later in life if he is not acknowledged now (privately or publicly). That's very hurtful & insulting.
Not an easy thing to get over especially when its the father's resonsibiltiy to nurture & develop that relationship from birth not the son's.
I somewhat disagree with the first part. Being acknowledged by Albert as his son won't be all glitz and glamour for Alexandre. The tremendous media attention and constant security threat would virtually kill any chance for Alexandre to grow up in an at least semi-normal life. If you look at the other illegitimate children of royals such as the children of Prince Behrnard of the Netherlands and King Albert of Belgium, they had at least been able to grow up without the constant public spotlight. They were recognized by their fathers when they were adults and for awhile, they lost their privacy which people often take for granted.

And about the nurturing part, the impression that Nicole gave the press was that Albert was a good father. He saw Alexandre as often as he could, he was financially responsible to Alexandre, and even allowed Nicole to live in his Paris apartment. Is that a sign of a neglectful father? A non-nurturing father? I think he did the best he could under the circumstances. People have to remember that Albert's life is not his own. He has been groomed since birth to be responsible for Monaco and its citizens. He can't always be there, but it looks like he tries his best.

I'll be tuning in for Albert's emergence from mourning to hear his side of the story.
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Some people just can't seem to stop voicing their opinions (either outright or by innuendo) that Nicole is just a gold-digger and devious. I have no idea if she is or not, I just think these statements should be countered with the fact that we do not know anything about her and her reasons for doing what she did. I AM NOT DOING THIS TO TAKE UP FOR NICOLE or to start arguments, I am just trying to be open-minded and reasonable. I realize I'm beating a dead horse, but it's to counter the other dead horse that keeps getting beaten. :)
It's way too late now for Alexandre to have a "normal" life, so that is a moot point anyway. If he is indeed Albert's son, how Albert handles it from here on out will show what kind of father he really is. How Alexandre turns out will show what kind of mother Nicole really is. That would be very stressful for Nicole, but she was the one who brought it to the public's attention, so hopefully she is prepared to deal with the negative parts now.
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who went to Albert's enthronement ceremony? I cant recall seeing any pics as well
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I'm not sure I'm understanding here....
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Millions of children may do ok without one parent, depending on the circumstances - but then unless your in that situation how would you really know? :o

I don't know what kind of attachment Nicole has towards Albert or vice versa but is Nicole to accept only financial support from Albert and maybe somewhat of an emotionaly supportive relationship for the boy if any? I think not! :(

Why would the boy make a relationship with Albert later in life if he is not acknowledged now (privately or publicly). That's very hurtful & insulting.
Not an easy thing to get over especially when its the father's resonsibiltiy to nurture & develop that relationship from birth not the son's.


Actually, she have to accept whatever he will allow her to have of himself ultimately, now won't she? My opinion is based on what she claims in her own interview in the Paris Match, etc.

I suspect we should all know by know that one cannot demand someone else have a relationship with them -- no matter what the motive or no matter how 'well-intended'. But then again, maybe there are some people who can just scream and shout in an attempt to get the attention that they want and force themselves upon others because they feel entitled to do so. But of course, I do not know that either.

And anyway, if Albert ever marries someone (not her), then she will CERTAINLY have to accept that his time and energies will be spent with his family -- not with her no matter how she would decide to carry on about it, in public or not.

So yes, while I do not know, and there is just one side of the story out there, it is my own opinion that she may just have to accept the idea that Albert may never give her the kind of commitments that she seems to want so desperately.

but if he does, it's his own business.:p
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Actually, she have to accept whatever he will allow her to have of himself ultimately, now won't she? My opinion is based on what she claims in her own interview in the Paris Match, etc.

I suspect we should all know by know that one cannot demand someone else have a relationship with them -- no matter what the motive or no matter how 'well-intended'. But then again, maybe there are some people who can just scream and shout in an attempt to get the attention that they want and force themselves upon others because they feel entitled to do so. But of course, I do not know that either.

So yes, while I do not know, and there is just one side of the story out there, it is my own opinion that she may just have to accept the idea that Albert may never give her the kind of commitments that she seems to want so desperately.

but if he does, it's his own business.:p
I think were talking about 2 slightly different things.
I'm speaking more about Alberts love & time with Alexandre & how Nicole will handle that & I think your discussing more Nicoles feelings towards Albert.

[QUOTE Lilla] And anyway, if Albert ever marries someone (not her), then she will CERTAINLY have to accept that his time and energies will be spent with his family -- not with her no matter how she would decide to carry on about it, in public or not. [QUOTE Lilla]

I'm not really interested in Nicoles time with Albert but the time spent by Albert and Alexandre together. Time together should continue whether or not Albert gets married & has more children. A new wife shouldn't hinder that.:)

[QUOTE Lilla- previous post] To me, it seem like this woman has a emotional strong attachment to Albert. I believe her wanting so much for the boy to have a 'strong relationship' is, in my opinion, also for a way for her to be in Albert's face and in his world.[QUOTE Lilla -previous post]

This may be true but I think that no matter what they'll be in contact now for many years to come since they share a child. Time usually heals...



Nicole doesn't have to accept any type of legal offer that she may feel is unfair if she chooses not to! Visitation or access arrangements are usually a compromise between both parents. (or custody). To me this entire thread makes it sound as if Albert holds all of the cards and Nicole has no options. She is still the mother of this child and her concerns and wants for the child are very valid too. I think they are only what any mother wants for their children.

In my opinion I think its easy to say "accept it that he has no romantic interest in her & move on" but the action of actually doing that is probably much tougher. She should try to move on though if that's the case.
I also truly believe that if Nicole does not agree to what Albert offers for the child she does not have to accept it (and of course vice versa)! She may have to deal with it, just as he may have to deal with the things that she may do but acceptance is also a personal choice that comes from the heart. It can not be forced on anyone.

Hopefully the childs interests can be put first. :o
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This may be true but I think that no matter what they'll be in contact now for many years to come since they share a child. Time usually heals...Hopefully the childs interests can be put first. :o
I still think we need to hold off assuming they share a child until Prince Albert declares that as a fact. Until then, everything is still speculation since no official statement has been made.
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