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Old 06-10-2005, 11:09 PM
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"On the other hand, they also let it be known that it was necessary that I pay attention if I wanted to preserve my material comfort. Then, they want to buy to me? Me, I want only that precede the human values>>, the young mother is indignant."



Well, noble not to think of material comfort for her but did she ever consider little Alexander might want to go to college someday...she sucks (this last part....definately slander) Now PA cannot pay her because to do so would be an admission of guilt.....what do ya think about that fellow bloggers???
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Old 06-10-2005, 11:35 PM
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In the turmoil of W.W.I, another disregard for the Succession Rules of the Grimaldi dynasty happened. The French Government of the time wanted a ruler on the throne of the principality who would not threaten the security of France. The aging prince being unmarried, the French Government sought the heir to the throne of Monaco among the prince's affairs. It eventually found the solution in Charlotte Louvet, an illegitimate daughter of prince Louis Matignon-Grimaldi, born in Algeria, whom the prince then decided to adopt. Ms. Louvet took the Grimaldi name and immediately married Pierre de Polignac, a French nobleman, who in turn changed his name to Grimaldi.http://www.grimaldi.org/en/history/monaco.asp

I found this little blurb and thought it was interesting. I knew about Charlotte Louvet but I did not know the French Government had a hand in it. I am not sure who sponsors this web site...but I imagine the Grimaldi family probably owns rights to their own name....Does it not say in the consitution that adoption is unacceptable
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Oh my goodness I never thought that someone in the press woulld have nothing better to do than go looking for things on the internet.

that surprises me alot.
You shouldn't be the press wants to sell stories whether its good news or Tabloid gossip which hurts innocent people when most or all of what is printed is made up. Like the stories of Albert going to marry Alicia wasn't it the day Nicole found out about it she got pregnant? Isn't that an interesting piece of information to give the public? The bigger the person the more they sell. The more they sell the richer the owner and the more they want and will pay because of it. Look at what the paparazzi did to Princess Diana they were responsible for her death not a drunk driver. That could be debated but lets not here. Albert was being chased by them once with Stephanie I think it was and a friend blocked them to get away. One said something like any idea how much they could make for a picture of them. They are heartless SOB's nothing better to call them making profit off the rich and famous. Or making no bodies famous off of people like Albert and the rest of the Royals. Their birth placed them where they are its not like an actor or singer who chose that life style knowing full well what to expect. Albert may sue good for him. Its about time he says enough is enough.

Even if one or both children are his that is no way to go about it. He is a ruler of a nation and I don't care how small Monaco is he deserves better. Nicole has never said Albert told him he was in love with her. But that they should be friends. That says a lot.

Class has nothing to do with how much money you have its how you act. Those woman of a lower money class knew the risk of becoming pregnant when they had sex with Albert. Why has none of the richer woman turned up pregnant? Why have none of them cashed in on a relationship with him? If they were having sex they were making sure they didn't get pregnant like Stevie Parker who used condoms he provided to avoid it and STD's. NOTE: I AM NOT SAYING EITHER OF THEM HAVE ONE. Condoms break but you take extra precautions in today's society also with spermicides. I'm not sexually active but I know the rules of safe sex. Best have your partner tested for HIV before unprotected sex you might get a nasty surprise.
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Old 06-11-2005, 01:15 AM
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People buy up websites with no relation to the name or subject. As long as they aren't using the site for "immaterial" purposes, they may keep it. If they use it for commercial purposes which can damage the subject, the subject may sue for ownership of the domain name.

For example, if I owned princealbertgrimaldi.com and turned it into a porn site, he could sue me and would win control of the domain name back.

But those who own grimaldi.org are using it as a reference site for those interested in the family history. Were they to sue, they would probably get it, but it would only make them look like a goliath meanie.

This concerns the messageboards. A poster agrees to certain rules like not slandering people. [Technically, because they write their posts, its libel but internet defamation cases have been prosecuted under slander in the U.S.A.]
For example:
If poster ILOVEAlbert58 were to write that they know Albert eats lizards for breakfasts and have seen him do it; then they are not legally doing anything wrong.
If post ILOVEAlbert58 were to post that they know Albert is making a secret deal with France to invade Germany-a story which is later picked up by a newspaper and causes an international incident; then they committed legal slander. The owner and operators of the messageboard, from the domain company host to the ip of the moderator of the forum would be served with subpoenas. Most likely prosecuted would be the actual poster (the authorities having received their info from the site people) as well as the messageboard owner for letting the post stand.

So. Unless you are personally witness to and can legally verify something, one had best couch posts with "It is my opinion". Because Albert and the Palace says something officially one way or the other, it is ALL speculation.

Not a legally binding law opinion by NotDani
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Old 06-11-2005, 01:30 AM
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Lillia

Press will do ANYTHING for a story.

I have seen reporters (for the name journalists implies ethics) comb fan sites, messageboards, blogs and groups/lists/clubs for single nuggets of truth and spin them into fantastic tales that would rival the best scifi writers.

If it wasn't so sad, I could post that lizard bit in several places and watch it become the latest bit of gossip.

EXTRA EXTRA
Prince Albert of Monaco uses ground lizard powder in his breakfast.

"He claims he doesn't want any more kids."

A long-time alternative medical advisor to the Palace, who requested anonymity, said they have been giving the new Prince a special blend of ground herbs and lizard for the past six months. "He claims he doesn't want any more 'unofficial' children. He asked for a temporary solution that he could stop after he marries in the next few years."
The Prince eats breakfast in his palace rooms and has rarely been seen eating publicly before noon.
"I always wondered about that. The family does a lot of public events but Albert doesn't seem to eat which is odd given his size." said Jean de Galle, a Monaco resident.
The advisor is planning on publicly marketing the special mix. "As long as I don't ask Albert for a recommendation, I should make a lot of money with the Monaco name."

NOTE: This is a completely FICTICIOUS story. It is intended as a tongue-in-cheek poke at the stalkerazzi-fed tabloid press.

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Old 06-11-2005, 01:36 AM
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OMG that's hysterical you should be a writer. Whats not so funny is there has been things in the press saying an inside Palace source, etc., and the info isn't true. Makes you wonder where its all coming from.
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I can't help but say when Albert can talk openly with the mourning period over he says neither child is his and I am not the only one on the Board that feels that way. I can't help but think of these words
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His legal council Maitre Thierry Lacoste said: "A judicial strategy will be determined within the next few days. "But you need to ask yourself why this affair has come out just now."
What it he is implying????????
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Old 06-11-2005, 07:48 AM
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Lillia

EXTRA EXTRA
Prince Albert of Monaco uses ground lizard powder in his breakfast.

The advisor is planning on publicly marketing the special mix. "As long as I don't ask Albert for a recommendation, I should make a lot of money with the Monaco name."

NOTE: This is a completely FICTICIOUS story. It is intended as a tongue-in-cheek poke at the stalkerazzi-fed tabloid press.

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That was absurdly hilarious
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Old 06-11-2005, 08:54 AM
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I believe Thierry Lacoste asked that question so that the public would question Nicole's motives, therefore placing her in a defensive position rather than offensive. This places Prince Albert in a better light if the story is true. The general public would then "jump on" examining "why" she did this (assuming it's true of course) and not the actual story itself as far as how Albert handled the situation. Like I said, their words are weighed carefully - these people are extremely intelligent and have thought out all the angles. Having come from a family and also married into a family with several politicians (mine beginning with my great-great-grandfather being a member of the House of Representatives) I am somewhat familiar with the spin doctor thing.:) Kinda like "let's make her look worse than she can make him look" by focusing on her motives and timing (which could have certainly been better).
One of the main reasons I believe Nicole's story is probably true, or somewhat true, (besides the fact that Albert was financially supporting her, of course) is that if Mr. Lacoste could make any statement at all (which he did, however vague) he could state that Albert is not Alexandre's father. Maybe I best follow up all this with "this is only my opinion, of course". LOL :)
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Old 06-11-2005, 01:34 PM
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One of the main reasons I believe Nicole's story is probably true, or somewhat true, (besides the fact that Albert was financially supporting her, of course) is that if Mr. Lacoste could make any statement at all (which he did, however vague) he could state that Albert is not Alexandre's father.
You are incorrect with he could have made the state that Albert was the father. If he had he would have broken the rules of mourning and protocol. Its not the same for a Royal as a commoner. Its like them needing permission to marry from the head of the family. It can be done but it breaks all the rules. Thierry Lacoste is also a friend of Albert's its not likely he will go against him and protocol. It use to be that if Albert wanted to marry they would have to let the French Government aware of the choice as did Rainier with Grace. If I recall correctly he did it before the proposal. You are talking about a whole different set of rules Albert is forced to live by. He could do in his private life what he wanted up to a point meaning he could bed anyone he wanted as long as she was willing but not marrying whomever he wanted. Think about what it is like to meet someone fall in love and not be allowed to marry the person. It hurts and that hurt can go from one relationship to another and you might never find another like the one true love you left behind. Albert's aunt admitted he has been in love.
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""Class has nothing to do with how much money you have its how you act. Those woman of a lower money class knew the risk of becoming pregnant when they had sex with Albert. Why has none of the richer woman turned up pregnant? Why have none of them cashed in on a relationship with him?""

I agree there, LadyMacAlpine. No one knows what is happening in secret so maybe those 'richer' women may have turned up pregnant or even had some procedure to cover it, but they did not go to the public with anything. There are plenty of the 'richer' ladies who do such things and the men too, but nobody hears of it because they cover up their business to keep a certain image of themselves out front. They are human too.

Just a thought...
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You are incorrect with he could have made the state that Albert was the father. If he had he would have broken the rules of mourning and protocol. Its not the same for a Royal as a commoner. Its like them needing permission to marry from the head of the family. It can be done but it breaks all the rules. Thierry Lacoste is also a friend of Albert's its not likely he will go against him and protocol. It use to be that if Albert wanted to marry they would have to let the French Government aware of the choice as did Rainier with Grace. If I recall correctly he did it before the proposal. You are talking about a whole different set of rules Albert is forced to live by. He could do in his private life what he wanted up to a point meaning he could bed anyone he wanted as long as she was willing but not marrying whomever he wanted. Think about what it is like to meet someone fall in love and not be allowed to marry the person. It hurts and that hurt can go from one relationship to another and you might never find another like the one true love you left behind. Albert's aunt admitted he has been in love.
Then wouldn't it make sense that he would not be even thinking about taking up anything with this Nicole because his country is uneasy about her, right? If there was any sort of speculation about him/her coming together - which to me would be riduculous -- it would be crazy, right?

I'm sorry, I hope he does not get back to her, becuase I think she is very badly behaved and tacky and that is my own opinion.
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Old 06-11-2005, 02:13 PM
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What exactly are the rules of mourning and who made them? I guess I just don't understand how they could respond by saying they would be taking legal action. Why could they make that response and it not be breaking the rules of mourning? I am not trying to be argumentative - I HONESTLY would like to know the difference. Maybe I'm just dense, but I do not understand what makes one response okay but another may be "breaking mourning rules". I wish someone could explain that to me. A response is a response is a response, no? What Mr. Lacoste said is a response to what Nicole said in the interviews. If someone could explain the difference to me, I would be very grateful.
I do feel very sorry for Albert not having been allowed to marry whomever he pleased. That would be horrible. However, now that he is the reigning monarch, would he still have to get permission from the French Gov't or can he do as he pleases?
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What exactly are the rules of mourning and who made them? I guess I just don't understand how they could respond by saying they would be taking legal action. Why could they make that response and it not be breaking the rules of mourning? I am not trying to be argumentative - I HONESTLY would like to know the difference. Maybe I'm just dense, but I do not understand what makes one response okay but another may be "breaking mourning rules". I wish someone could explain that to me. A response is a response is a response, no? What Mr. Lacoste said is a response to what Nicole said in the interviews. If someone could explain the difference to me, I would be very grateful.
I do feel very sorry for Albert not having been allowed to marry whomever he pleased. That would be horrible. However, now that he is the reigning monarch, would he still have to get permission from the French Gov't or can he do as he pleases?
A declaration of paternity cannot be made within the rules of mourning. Filing a law suit is however different. It was also a nice way for him to say cease and desist or more will be sued without saying those words. Its a warning to shut up or you will be spitting up more then cash for damages. I'm on the way to a party I can't write more maybe someone else can explain it to you.
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Okay, that makes sense. So actually, it's not a response per se that is breaking the rules, but a declaration of paternity?
I would be very interested in seeing these rules and learning about where, how and when they originated. I never realized the rules of mourning were so "official". I thought they were just sort of vague guidelines about wearing black, etc. :)
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Ok -- here is the last portion of this long article from mai le Point magazine.:p

Aux frais du prince
Nicole Coste fait part de son souhait ardent d’assister aux funérailles de Rainier. <<Parce que moi j’ai perdue ma mere lorsque j’attandais mon fils aîné, et cela a été une très grande douleur. J’ai pensé que si je venais à cette messe Albert pourrait me regarder de temps à autre et à travers moi il verrait son fils, il verrait que la vie continue. Et puis les funérailles de Rainier, c’est l’enterrement du grand-père de mon fils, tout de même>>, commente Nicole, des larmes dans la voix. Mais pas de Nicole donc dans la cathédrale de Monaco le 15 avril. Elle affirme en revanche avoir rendu hommage à la dépouille princière, accompagnée de son fils. On les aurait laissés entrer dans la chapelle par une porte dérobée Le deuil est décrété sur le Rocher, jusqu’au 6 julliet, pour la famille princière. Le silence s’impose. Oppressant. Menaçant. <<Moi, je ne comprends pas qu’Albert vienne faire la fête à Paris à 200 mètres de nous sans meme passer nous render visite, confie Nicole, et moi, on me dit de respecte le deuil, d’être patiente. Je n’en peux plus.>>

Que veut Nicole Cost? Albert, dit-elle pourvoit généreusement à ses besoins et à ceux de son fils. Elle maintient ne pas avoir été motive par l’argent et avoir donné gracieusement ses <<photos de famille>>. Elle est par ailleurs usufruitière jusqu’à la majorité de son fils d’une SCI, propriétaire d’une maison à Villefranche, près de Monaco. <<Les travaux ne sont pas finis, il y a un peu de travaux, mais c’est l’affaire de quelques mois>>, confie la mere d’Alexandre. Veut-elle faire de son fils un future prince de Monaco? <<Si Albert a envie de donner un titre à Alexandre, après tout, il peut. C’est son fils, tout de même. Je veux qu’il se montre un père responsible>>, affirme-t-elle. Que veut Nicole Coste, la femme qui fait trembler le Rocher? <<J’ai confiance en Albert, j’espère qu’il prendra la bonne decision.>> Laquelle? <<Je fais tout cela parce que j’aime Albert d’amour depuis huit ans>>, dit-elle. Un amour qui cogne.
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The Cost to the Prince
Nicole Coste shares of her burning wish attend the funeral of Rainier. <<Because me I lost my mother when I was waiting with my elder son, and that was a very great pain. I thought that if I came to this mass Albert could look at me time to time and through me he would see his son, he would see that the life continues. And then the funeral of Rainier, it is the burial of the grandfather of my son, all the same>>, comment on Nicole, tears in the voice. But Nicole not thus in the cathedral of Monaco on April 15. She affirms on the other hand to have paid homage to the princely remains, accompanied by her son. They would have let them enter the vault by a covered door and the mourning is issued on the Rock, until the 6 julliet, for the princely family. Silence is essential. Oppressing. Threatening.

<<Me, I do not understand that Albert comes to have the ceremonies in Paris within 200 meters of us without the same passing to us to render a visit, entrusts Nicole, and me, they ask to me respects the mourning, to be patient. I cannot do it any more.>>

What wants Nicole Cost? Albert, says she, provides liberally for her needs and those of his son. She maintains not to have been justifies by the money and to have given gracefully her <<family photographs>>. She is in addition usufruct until the majority of her son of a SCI, owner of a house with Villefranche, close to Monaco. << Work is not finished, there is a little work, but it is the business of a few months>>, entrust the mother of Alexandre. Does she want to make of her son future prince de Monaco? << If Albert wants to give a title to Alexandre, after all, he can. It is his son, all the same. I want that he shows himself a responsible father>>she affirms. What wants Nicole Coste, the woman who makes tremble the Rock? << I rely on Albert, I hope that he will make the good decision.>> Which? << I do all that because I have loved Albert of true love for eight years>>, she says. A love which has come knocking.

That's the last piece of the article written at le Point, the magazine that claim she spoke to them too.

Sorry to put it in the 3 pieces, but it's long for me -- I think she talked alot
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Then wouldn't it make sense that he would not be even thinking about taking up anything with this Nicole because his country is uneasy about her, right? If there was any sort of speculation about him/her coming together - which to me would be riduculous -- it would be crazy, right?

I'm sorry, I hope he does not get back to her, becuase I think she is very badly behaved and tacky and that is my own opinion.
I sincerely think there is no chance he will get back with her...no need to worry. If he does, he has "abused woman syndrome" A serious condition where people equate love with getting beat up. Thanks for the translation Lillia.
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what do they do during their mourning period? does anyone know what the rules of mourning are?
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