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I was raised in a very conservative environment, and I could care less what race a ruler was. To me, it has absolutely no bearing on how they will perform in their position. As for whether the individual should be born into the environment of married parents, I have to admit it sounds proper, but we know that is not necessarily the way history, especially in Monaco, has played out. So, while it would appear ideal for a child born of unwed parents (i.e.: a liaison situation) not to rule, I think whether they rule or not, should more depend on the individual. How the child develops into an upstanding adult, their education sought, their desire to serve their community, their compassion, and their disposition should, in my opinion, have far more to do with their potential to rule one day. (Providing, of course, they are a blood relative.)

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Hi to all:

I've been reading and reading, and the more I read the less I understand, but EVERYTHING THAT I WILL WRITE IN HERE IS MINE OPINION, THE THEME IS HALF SERIOUS & HALF JOKINGLY, TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN O 2 POUNDS OF SALT SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MONACO AND THIS IS AN ESPECULATIVE FORUM AL RIGHT?


So have you notice:


1. that both of the kids were born prematurely and there are no records of such premature births?

where these women went to give birth in the woods?

2. both women have been fighting to have PAII to recognized the children?

but there are no records, suspicious DNA's test/pictures, birth certificates that get lost, no info as to premature babies, both of the women were coming from a too recent divorce/breakup.

3. how deep is the "concern" of these mothers about their kids and only the kids ?

Tamara: before she gave birth she was ignored, once the baby was born, both were ignore, she followed Albert around the States to have him see/recognized the child, both were ignored again. Try the Courts she lost the case and she was ignored. Nevertheless she goes ahead names the girl with the "grandma's" name and "family"
name, nobody bat an eye (ignored again). Keeping the "fight for the rights" of her daughter, she went into half reclusion. In one of the links provided in this forum I read, she is divorcing now, lives with the girl in a gated community, the two of them almost (as the neighbors said) lived very privately and don't to talk to anybody.

Regarding the "rights of her daughter" because of course that is what she is fighting for: if I have a baby with an important/rich/prominent person and after all she has done to herself and dragging the baby around, you should stop and think do I really want him as a father of my child? We have been ignored batlanty again and again, does my child deserves to have his last name? and it is worth it to have the baby grow under a shadow of being not recognized, not wanted and ignored? and yes go ahead a plastered in the media.

Don't you all think that her fight for "the rights" of the girl has gone way too far?
Would you put your kid thru all the ordeal of being ignored again and again?
Is have your daughter recognized is that important when you have shown that can take care of the baby mighty right? BTW as millions and millions of women do it everyday.

That girl is a teenager now and every time her mother tries again to have her recognized she is being rejected. Now do you remember when we were teenager how thirsty of validation/recognition/ love we were? Some of us have a share of broken promises, abandonment by parents or they die.

So my prayers goes to the girl because dispite of the intentions of her mother, she still is being rejected and not wanted. I don't feel to much simpathy for Tamara, even as single mother she had in her power to put her daughter first, change her last name, let her have a normal life and if in the future she wants to go ahead and confront her "father" as a daughter she will be in all her right.

(Got a feeling when I read that Ms Tamara was getting divorce at this time, that this situation has consumed a lot of her life. IMO)

Now with Nicole: this is a woman that does not know the term :let go"
go back if you might and see the pictures again, especially the one that she is wrapped around Al, she is looking at the camera and her face is almost challenging like: his is mine" kind of look, i don't see the "love" anywhere she does not look in love, he looks the same way he looks in all the pictures, then look at the furniture or decor of the apartment, does that gives the impression of "luxurious" to any of you. look at the bed and window, what do you see? Just food for thought.

And the same question comes to mind: Do you want that kind of father for your son? As she states he has not seen the baby since February, I mean even if his father was ill how difficult will be for Al jump in a plane and go and see his son, after all they lived in Paris not in the Antartic.

I have a few more "points" but I got to go.

As I stated at the begining this is just an opinion, full of facts, half facts, gossip and especulation, which is all the forum is about.

I'll be back with more points

have a nice weekend
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Old 05-21-2005, 01:57 PM
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the royal family won´t be at the Formula 1 Grand Prix tomorrow,or?O meant because of the mourning period for Ranier
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Anyone interested Albert has been a little busy with work if they go to this site you can do some reading. http://www.monaco.gouv.mc/PortGb. Go to Journal Officiel. Its in French you will need to translate. Easy enough done just type in translator on your tool bar and you should find one that suits you.
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Old 05-25-2005, 12:36 AM
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You're welcome I like men with more than good looks. Brains and personality count for more and he's got those as well as a good heart.
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Old 05-25-2005, 07:08 AM
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LadyMacalpine, when I go to the link you provided below, the information looks outdated. For example, when I click on the news link, it reads that it was last updated in March. Might I be doing something wrong?
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LadyMacalpine, when I go to the link you provided below, the information looks outdated. For example, when I click on the news link, it reads that it was last updated in March. Might I be doing something wrong?
You must be May 20, 2005 was the last thing he was doing. Changes in law.
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What I could see was about his participation on a summit in Warsaw.
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Old 05-25-2005, 12:18 PM
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The last date I saw was May 20th as well, but I noted he was reviewing nominations for various Council positions. Monaco has one of the more interesting political structures (from being an absolute monarchy) but its surprising that the judicial system is separate. People can't even appeal to the Prince/ss(es) to overturn their sentences.

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Old 05-25-2005, 06:22 PM
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What I could see was about his participation on a summit in Warsaw.
You need to click on Journal Officiel to get the latest news.
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You need to click on Journal Officiel to get the latest news.
Thank you for pointing out what I had already said. I was trying to figure out why they weren't able to read it the link worked for me.
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Anyone interested Albert has been a little busy with work if they go to this site you can do some reading. http://www.monaco.gouv.mc/PortGb. Go to Journal Officiel. Its in French you will need to translate. Easy enough done just type in translator on your tool bar and you should find one that suits you.
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Old 05-26-2005, 11:36 PM
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Hi to all:

I've been reading and reading, and the more I read the less I understand, but EVERYTHING THAT I WILL WRITE IN HERE IS MINE OPINION, THE THEME IS HALF SERIOUS & HALF JOKINGLY, TAKE IT WITH A GRAIN O 2 POUNDS OF SALT SINCE WE ARE TALKING ABOUT MONACO AND THIS IS AN ESPECULATIVE FORUM AL RIGHT?


So have you notice:


1. that both of the kids were born prematurely and there are no records of such premature births?

where these women went to give birth in the woods?

2. both women have been fighting to have PAII to recognized the children?

but there are no records, suspicious DNA's test/pictures, birth certificates that get lost, no info as to premature babies, both of the women were coming from a too recent divorce/breakup.

3. how deep is the "concern" of these mothers about their kids and only the kids ?

Tamara: before she gave birth she was ignored, once the baby was born, both were ignore, she followed Albert around the States to have him see/recognized the child, both were ignored again. Try the Courts she lost the case and she was ignored. Nevertheless she goes ahead names the girl with the "grandma's" name and "family"
name, nobody bat an eye (ignored again). Keeping the "fight for the rights" of her daughter, she went into half reclusion. In one of the links provided in this forum I read, she is divorcing now, lives with the girl in a gated community, the two of them almost (as the neighbors said) lived very privately and don't to talk to anybody.

Regarding the "rights of her daughter" because of course that is what she is fighting for: if I have a baby with an important/rich/prominent person and after all she has done to herself and dragging the baby around, you should stop and think do I really want him as a father of my child? We have been ignored batlanty again and again, does my child deserves to have his last name? and it is worth it to have the baby grow under a shadow of being not recognized, not wanted and ignored? and yes go ahead a plastered in the media.

Don't you all think that her fight for "the rights" of the girl has gone way too far?
Would you put your kid thru all the ordeal of being ignored again and again?
Is have your daughter recognized is that important when you have shown that can take care of the baby mighty right? BTW as millions and millions of women do it everyday.

That girl is a teenager now and every time her mother tries again to have her recognized she is being rejected. Now do you remember when we were teenager how thirsty of validation/recognition/ love we were? Some of us have a share of broken promises, abandonment by parents or they die.

So my prayers goes to the girl because dispite of the intentions of her mother, she still is being rejected and not wanted. I don't feel to much simpathy for Tamara, even as single mother she had in her power to put her daughter first, change her last name, let her have a normal life and if in the future she wants to go ahead and confront her "father" as a daughter she will be in all her right.

(Got a feeling when I read that Ms Tamara was getting divorce at this time, that this situation has consumed a lot of her life. IMO)

Now with Nicole: this is a woman that does not know the term :let go"
go back if you might and see the pictures again, especially the one that she is wrapped around Al, she is looking at the camera and her face is almost challenging like: his is mine" kind of look, i don't see the "love" anywhere she does not look in love, he looks the same way he looks in all the pictures, then look at the furniture or decor of the apartment, does that gives the impression of "luxurious" to any of you. look at the bed and window, what do you see? Just food for thought.

And the same question comes to mind: Do you want that kind of father for your son? As she states he has not seen the baby since February, I mean even if his father was ill how difficult will be for Al jump in a plane and go and see his son, after all they lived in Paris not in the Antartic.

I have a few more "points" but I got to go.

As I stated at the begining this is just an opinion, full of facts, half facts, gossip and especulation, which is all the forum is about.

I'll be back with more points

have a nice weekend
I have to agree with this points; only because, while it is just speculation, I had a chance to read and re-read the articles where she spoke -- her story sounds like someone with a hurt feeling that would not hear 'NO' and is now in this situation due to keep pushing and pushing. Sometimes people want to sit in denial. But again, no one but them know what was said between the 2 people.

I do not think she is a bad person, or ugly or any of that. I think she is actually a nice looking girl and I can understand how he would be atteracted to her.

But I do think she is opportunist; like many women and people are -- sometimes when feelings get involved, one may not be thinking about consequeses all the time, just only how to hold on to a situation and move things the way she want them to go with him. Al. probably was not being careful either, trusting in the situation not able or willing to resist the beautiful woman that he is attracted to. But who knows? And she opened the door to become 'pregnant'; and had to handle it then when it did happened, even though it was not something that it was expressly wished for or calculated (as she put it). This happens to alot of people all over the place. And there is alot she is not saying too.

Because of what she said in thiese magazines, then, maybe she thinks he will begin to like this situation more as it goes on, but he does not. And she gets mad after having the child and he is not living to what she has expected and tried to do; so she decides to push back because she say she wants to get from him the one 'simple' request to recognize the child. So she decides to get all she can get from him, because she says it is the right of her son. OK, maybe it is so. I do not know, just my opinion too.

I'm sorry but her story sounds opportunist to me. I do not think she is a bad person at all. She just want what she want. She wanted the man, but no; she got the baby. Now she want the child to have his right.

I think she is stubborn. I think she used the opportunity for all these to occur and it happened; and she deal with all as it comes. She said in the article that even thought she was going to him for so long with not much of an issue (I guess) she got pregnant after Al. started breaking up with her, when his father (I can only guess again) gave her the thumb down. This is the occasion she just forgot to keep with her birth control pills because she was working so long and forgot -- then she had a little liason with him.

My idea is that based on what I read in the article. It is my opinion that she wants Al. attention, he will not speaking to her anymore, but putting even more space by directing her to speak to his lawyers for all things. She knows he prob. do not like gossip about him, so she starts to talk to their 'mutual friends' who gossip and it gets back around to him. He gets mad and calls her (it's in the article). So she got his attention. She said she send a birth announcement to Al. father, 'simply because she just want him to know he has a grandson'. Naive or not, and she know Al. is not liking this, but she is doing it to tell Ranier, maybe expecting him to make recognition. But that does not happen either. And it goes on and on -- she 'stumbling' from one thing to another, one 'problem' and 'issue' to the next. Pushing the situaition again and again. Now there's more opportunity, under 'my son has rights' -- not by planning on her part (perhaps), but because it is maybe the situation; all of this happened now.

I don't know. She may be sincere and all, but I think she's opportunist. While I do not know, I think she just did not wanted to let go of the man.

That's my opinion.

But I don't knows that. Just my opinion, that's all.
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Old 05-27-2005, 12:22 AM
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u make perfect sense. for some people attention is attention. it doesn't matter if its the good kind of attention or the bad kind. dont u think she is the last person on earth albert would have another relationship with? i think so.
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u make perfect sense. for some people attention is attention. it doesn't matter if its the good kind of attention or the bad kind. dont u think she is the last person on earth albert would have another relationship with? i think so.
There are 45 more days before Albert can say anything publicly.
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There are 45 more days before Albert can say anything publicly.
Don't worry time flies fast....

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I have a question that maybe someone can answer. I understand that he can't say anything publicly during the mourning period. What I don't understand is how they could say that he was going to be taking legal action, or whatever it was they said, and about how hurt he was. Isn't that a public response by his attorneys? I guess I just don't understand the difference. If they said what they said, why couldn't they just say whether he is the father or his intentions or whatever? (I'm not sure my question is very clear.)
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I have a question that maybe someone can answer. I understand that he can't say anything publicly during the mourning period. What I don't understand is how they could say that he was going to be taking legal action, or whatever it was they said, and about how hurt he was. Isn't that a public response by his attorneys? I guess I just don't understand the difference. If they said what they said, why couldn't they just say whether he is the father or his intentions or whatever? (I'm not sure my question is very clear.)
Your question is very clear.:) I also thought it was "strange" that Albert and his lawyers announced their plans to take legal actions against the papers even though it was said that nothing would be done before the end of the mourning period.
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Thanks Alisa! I'm glad someone else found it strange. (And I'm glad you understood my question!) However, I guess when you're the "boss" (reigning monarch) you can bend/break the rules as you please to best serve yourself! :) Please note: I don't mean this in a derogatory way toward Prince Albert, I just find it very amusing!
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u make perfect sense. for some people attention is attention. it doesn't matter if its the good kind of attention or the bad kind. dont u think she is the last person on earth albert would have another relationship with? i think so.
Yes -- I would not want someone keep holding on and trying to push me and manoever doing things, demanding my attention.

I can only guess he would think twice before allowing this lady to get so close to him again because she is refuse let him move on and I think she trying to build a fence around him.

First she don't want to break up, then she get pregnant. Then she keeps calling him and going to Monaco to see him about different things, she needs money because she cannot work, she needs a bigger place to stay due to her place is so small, so she has to moves into one of his apartments. Then she's upset because she thinks she's losing the child, and she begins to think he's not being attentive and supportive enough, so she's distress about that. Then she must needs a recognition for the child and she has all these theory on the 'family' and what it should be, so she starts a problem about all that. Then people getting on her nerves, then she's talking about it to anybody and everybody with gossip, then she goes to the papers, he's not visiting the boy anymore, then she tries to get a lawsuit (maybe) because her son has rights; then she wants to move nearby him 'for the boy to have a normal relationship'. No peace for Albert ever again.

Now I begin understand why my friends laugh about this term I heard 'Baby Mama Drama'.

In my opinion, this is her. Keep things going on and on and on, one thing and then something else and something else and something else. Some people are just like that...
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