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Old 12-28-2005, 10:33 AM
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Is it the area on the way down from the Exotic gardens?

I agree. There doesn't see to be much for children in Monaco, except the amusement area in the harbor. Let's hope they will vote on reserving the whole area.
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:24 AM
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As someone who works for a child abuse and neglect prevention charity in the States, cutting back on the quality of life items for children is nothing new. They lack financial clout so their needs get put at the bottom of the list. (For more info on what I'm ranting about, please check out my employer's website at www.mspcc.org. I am a fundraiser so please pardon my prostelytizing.) I am surprised that PA and others would consider a video arcade an acceptable substitute for parks and playgrounds.

To put this on a lighter note, maybe I could bake cookies to change a few votes or sway influence. From the tone of this thread they would be appreciated in a few corners. :)
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Old 12-28-2005, 11:59 AM
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Paca,
What Is a "creche place"? Im sorry--Are they manger scenes for Christmas?
No, they are like kindergarden for children under 3. Very difficult to find and for working parents, especially with a low income. But there are plenty of other sigts, that could be used as well (if one had enough good will), if there wouldn't be the realestate lobby wo could make millions on the other possible sites. Also they have been trying to get at it for sometime and I am afraid, that once they start building there, they won't stop.
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:05 PM
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Is it the area on the way down from the Exotic gardens?

I agree. There doesn't see to be much for children in Monaco, except the amusement area in the harbor. Let's hope they will vote on reserving the whole area.
Yes it is the Parc princess Antoinette. It is the largest playarea for childre in the area that can be reached by public transport. (In Beausoleil there are hardly playareas, so this does not only concern children from MC but also in the surrounding communities whose parents are usually working in MC, but would not benefit from any creche places)

There are a few more play grounds in MC, but this one is the largest and best. And one of the few places were the kids can play without mummy having to worry about dog poo. And it is for free, unless you use the caroussels and racing cars, but even those are cheaper than anywhere else in MC. To loose only a few square meters would be a huge loss for the children here.
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:22 PM
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As someone who works for a child abuse and neglect prevention charity in the States, cutting back on the quality of life items for children is nothing new. They lack financial clout so their needs get put at the bottom of the list. (For more info on what I'm ranting about, please check out my employer's website at www.mspcc.org. I am a fundraiser so please pardon my prostelytizing.) I am surprised that PA and others would consider a video arcade an acceptable substitute for parks and playgrounds.

To put this on a lighter note, maybe I could bake cookies to change a few votes or sway influence. From the tone of this thread they would be appreciated in a few corners. :)
I am afraid that cookies won't sway the Pators who are gaining money on every bit that is built in MC.
You could write to PA though. I think one of the projects they had for one of the youth centers was rethought, after Steph intervened, having received plenty of letters.

The videogame project was abondonned after people protested, especially since it was an independent company who wanted to exploit the site. But as I said before, I think this is only a pretext to get people used to loosing this site. Close by used to be the tennis club (not to be mixed up with the country club which hosts the tennis open). It has been recently closed down and moved outside of MC, because the space is needed for aother skyscraper. Since the new site can't be reached by public transport, they have now arranged a shuttle bus. Since there are already a lot of other facilities moved outside of MC, I don't see, why the can't do that with those creche places. ANd since this is a problem which all surrounding communitities share, I don't see, why they do not cooperate. Just arround the corner, my kids scool will be moved to a newer and bigger site, leaving a four storey building empty. It has most facilities already there, except needs major renovation. After that it could hold at least 200 children. LOcal city hall doesn't have the money to transform it properly, but hasn't quite decided what to do with the building.

I think I will have to write a long letter to the press and the prince, which I hope a lot of people her will do. Unfortunately the kids don't have a lobby here. I think PA should forbid by ordonance souverain that anything can be built on this site. that way the problem would be solved once and for all. Or at least till the next prince
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:26 PM
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Albert is fat, is so strange, I mean... for example Princess Caroline have 4 child and she's skinny and beautiful, Albert is a man and doesnt have any child and is fat and he does a lot of sports and stuff
doesnt make any sense o.O
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:31 PM
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No, they are like kindergarden for children under 3. Very difficult to find and for working parents, especially with a low income. But there are plenty of other sigts, that could be used as well (if one had enough good will), if there wouldn't be the realestate lobby wo could make millions on the other possible sites. Also they have been trying to get at it for sometime and I am afraid, that once they start building there, they won't stop.
Thank you for the explanation,Paca.
I'm glad I asked, because I am kindergarten teacher and I find it sad that Kindergarten programs are not a priority in Monaco....
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:47 PM
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Thank you for the explanation,Paca.
I'm glad I asked, because I am kindergarten teacher and I find it sad that Kindergarten programs are not a priority in Monaco....
Your welcome. BTW kindergarden is here equivalent to maternelle. Fortunately there are enough places there, actually more then needed so that they also offer places to children whose parents work in MC or who have other reasons for wanting to be scholarized in MC. By law they have to accept every child that is 3 or turns 3 the firs few months of the school year and wishes to enter the maternelle. Unfortunetely this is not the case with children under 3, which makes it hard for parents on a low budget to find proper care for their kids, once the mum goes back to work. There are no company creches or sth like that, so once you get pegnat, you better sign up your kid and even then you might not get a place. There should be a law that companies of a certain number of employees have to either create places themselves or help the community to create accommodatio for the little ones. The SBM (casino, hotels etc) employs more then a 1000 people and does not have any structure for its employees.
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Old 12-28-2005, 12:59 PM
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Prince Albert and Princess Caroline celebrate 20th anniversary of the Ballet of Monte-Carlo

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Old 12-28-2005, 03:52 PM
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Albert is fat, is so strange, I mean... for example Princess Caroline have 4 child and she's skinny and beautiful, Albert is a man and doesnt have any child and is fat and he does a lot of sports and stuff
doesnt make any sense o.O
Prince Albert does have a child. He has a son. If you mean, on the other hand, about giving actual birth and Princess Caroline being thin as opposed to Prince Albert not having giving actual birth but still being fat, then I offer this as a possibility (not an excuse, but a possibility).
People under a lot of stress (such as being Sovereign of a country and having to deal with making decisions affecting the lives of thousands; dealing with foreign leaders, etc...) may tend to overeat when under a lot of pressure. Food being used as a way of comforting oneself. I dunno... might be what Prince Albert is doing.
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Old 12-28-2005, 04:24 PM
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Prince Albert does have a child. He has a son. If you mean, on the other hand, about giving actual birth and Princess Caroline being thin as opposed to Prince Albert not having giving actual birth but still being fat, then I offer this as a possibility (not an excuse, but a possibility).
People under a lot of stress (such as being Sovereign of a country and having to deal with making decisions affecting the lives of thousands; dealing with foreign leaders, etc...) may tend to overeat when under a lot of pressure. Food being used as a way of comforting oneself. I dunno... might be what Prince Albert is doing.
Actually I think he doesn't have as much time to do sports as he used to ad then of course there are these official luncheons, that are really not meant for people on a diet (it's like xmas everyday ). Also sometimes, when you are under a lot of pressure and can't really share it with someone who understands, no matter how little you eat, you keep your weight or even gain weight. I have some experience with this myself. I never used to have any weight problems, but after being pregnant with twins, I never lost the weight and thanks to dieting I even gained more. Being in an unhappy relationship didn't help either. Ever since I got rid of my relationship I lost heaps of weight, without even dieting. Actually at times I ate more then before, but since the negative stress has gone, my body apparently didn't need the extra fat.

So even though I made fun before, I do understand that there are times in life when weight might become a problem and you can't do anything about it. Let's hope this is just a temporary phase and he will soon get back to his normal shape. Ad I mena that for health reasons not estetic reasons.
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Old 12-28-2005, 05:00 PM
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Paca is right...sounds like emotional issues to me...when you think of all of the stress (personal, political, etc) PA has been under since March (or earlier) it makes sense (this from another emotional eater). It does seem to me that he is everywhere at once as well?? I don't know about anyone else, but that kind of frantic pace and the extraordinary celebrations over the past two months probably wouldn't be beneficial to anyone. He's still my type though...:p
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how many people think albert will marry someone as skinny as a rail? imo, i think he will marry a very thin women
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any new pictures of alexandre coste? all those grimaldi kids are cute as a button
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Old 12-28-2005, 08:14 PM
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how many people think albert will marry someone as skinny as a rail? imo, i think he will marry a very thin women
Yes, I think he will marry what Tom Wolfe called a "social x-ray." I also don't think his weight gain is anything permanent (I hope?).

Again, on a lighter note...does anyone else think it's rather funny that we're talking about a man the way women usually talk about other women?
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Old 12-28-2005, 08:31 PM
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Yes, I think he will marry what Tom Wolfe called a "social x-ray." I also don't think his weight gain is anything permanent (I hope?).

Again, on a lighter note...does anyone else think it's rather funny that we're talking about a man the way women usually talk about other women?
I disagree, we are talking about a man as men talk about women, only we are more polite and assume that he still has qualities that might attract a woman to fall in love with him. In a reverse scenario the guys might have said sth like this (or worse): " eh look at that fat chick over there. Looks like a stranded beach whale. With that body, the guy who wants to marry her must be pretty desperate. Lucky she has some money to make up for it otherwise she might as well sign up for the convent." Btw those guys tend to be heavily overweight.
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I disagree, we are talking about a man as men talk about women, only we are more polite and assume that he still has qualities that might attract a woman to fall in love with him. In a reverse scenario the guys might have said sth like this (or worse): " eh look at that fat chick over there. Looks like a stranded beach whale. With that body, the guy who wants to marry her must be pretty desperate. Lucky she has some money to make up for it otherwise she might as well sign up for the convent."

True enough. True enough. Vous m'en avez repris encore une fois. I wonder why women can see beyond the physical much quicker. (Please pardon my French, I'm out of practice but have been dying to use it for quite a while).
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Old 12-28-2005, 09:39 PM
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True enough. True enough. Vous m'en avez repris encore une fois. I wonder why women can see beyond the physical much quicker. (Please pardon my French, I'm out of practice but have been dying to use it for quite a while).
Well, about Albert's weight, I heard it's hard for a guy over 40 to stop the "belly's growing" so it's like a natural thing, besides women always fight harder the weight gain for the reasons stated before; I think Albert has reached the stage in life in which most things are more important than gaining a few pounds...
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Old 12-29-2005, 07:35 AM
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I disagree that all men look at all heavy women and degrade them. Some men actually prefer ladies with softness. There are way too many heavy women in Iceland and they seem to find men, not necessarily heavy men. Let's keep in mind that there are voluptous women who can be extremely sexy and then there are sadly heavy women who need three seats in an airplane.

I also disagree that our beloved prince is fat. He has a belly, a big one perhaps, but you don't see his thighs flying all over. It is in his character to become lazy and eat too much if there is good food on offer. And he probably eats for comfort like has been said.

Last but not least I think he will not marry a bony woman, but someone who is natural, with soft lines and maternal looking.
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Old 12-29-2005, 01:33 PM
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I disagree that all men look at all heavy women and degrade them. Some men actually prefer ladies with softness. There are way too many heavy women in Iceland and they seem to find men, not necessarily heavy men. Let's keep in mind that there are voluptous women who can be extremely sexy and then there are sadly heavy women who need three seats in an airplane.

I also disagree that our beloved prince is fat. He has a belly, a big one perhaps, but you don't see his thighs flying all over. It is in his character to become lazy and eat too much if there is good food on offer. And he probably eats for comfort like has been said.

Last but not least I think he will not marry a bony woman, but someone who is natural, with soft lines and maternal looking.
Ok second try after my other mail got lost in cyberspace..

I agree that not all men are like that, but unfortunately in western culture we worship skinniness and push people (even men nowadays) into annorexia etc.

Personally, I think that a woman with curves is much more attractive than what in German is called "Hungerhaken". Also a bit of meat on a man doesn't hurt, as long as it is within limits and does not cause health problems.

I think I mentioned that I wasn't impressed with the food at the palace. Of course it was only little titbits, but they were filled with fat and sugar. Also french cooks love fat as a taste enhancer, so they are very generous with oil, butter and cream. Then of course most meals consist of several courses and he probably eats 2 full cooked meals plus little titbits on receptions. Add the alcohol and you are easy on 3000 calories per day. And you would have to do a lot of sports or physical work to burn those off.

Another reason, I believe, is the lack of a companionship in his life. I'm sure he would look more after himself if there was and she might do it as well, by making sure he eats healthy and gets some stress release.

As to whom he is going to marry Donna, where do you get your certainty about the type he is going to marry? I do agree with what you wrote also in other posts with the kind you are describing, but I don't think he is really attracted to this type, although I guess he knows it would be the best choice for himself and his country.
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