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Old 07-14-2011, 02:33 PM
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It means that the Principality now allows Google to let people access aerial photography. Here's a sample...

The Principality of Monaco

I don't know about you, but I'm beginning to become despondent ...
Will they ever get their show together?
I hope and pray that they will...
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Old 07-14-2011, 02:51 PM
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I don't know about you, but I'm beginning to become despondent ...
Will they ever get their show together?
I hope and pray that they will...
I guess they simply don't bother with a show for us. Albert is a kind of absolute ruler in his little country, so does neither need cater to the media nor to his people, because they cannot vote to abolish his rule. So where is his reason and motive to be anything but honest? If he and Charlene don't want to read the papers, they simply tell their butler so. Both have staff to be informed about important events, even could give clear instructions to have certain news delivered as paper clippings,so are able to omit the press about themselves absolutely. If he and Charlene lead their life as they like it, who is to gainsay them?

Really: if Albert had been so keen on an heir and Charlene on being paid for that, why should he have married her before the kid was born? On marrying her he made himself vulnerable because he as a Catholic ruler cannot divorce her easily, if she doesn't bear him the required heir. For I don't think (the German pope, former boss of the inquisition) Benedikt XVI. would dissolve this marriage quite as easily as needed for a new marriage for Albert. OTOH according to the Monegasque constition Albert can legitimize his child on marrying the mother, even after the birth. While this would probably considered scandalous, I doubt it would bother him more than the chance that Charlene was eventually barren So IMHO it is save to reason that he married her because he wanted to do it and she said yes, because she wants to be his wife. And if there are kids, good for them, and if not, it's up to Caroline and her offspring.
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Old 07-14-2011, 03:27 PM
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Nobody, except his people, and the French Government.

I wouldn't say he's an absolute ruler; there are the Gouvernement, the Conseil National, the trades unions to contend with.
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Old 07-14-2011, 04:10 PM
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Nobody, except his people, and the French Government.

I wouldn't say he's an absolute ruler; there are the Gouvernement, the Conseil National, the trades unions to contend with.
The gouvernment is appointed according to the Prince's wishes. The Prince only shares his powers with the Conseil National, they cannot outvote him. Especially not when it comes to a change of the constitution. So to end his own reign and that of his family, his consent is needed and there is no way around it. Of course, he does not reign alone. But there is noone who can force him to abdicate or change the way Monaco is governed without his consent. Not the Monegasques, not France. So he can pretty much do as he pleases.
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Old 07-14-2011, 05:30 PM
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Disagree. If the Monagasques don't want him he's gone a la Tunisia , Egypt, etc. They would go to a democracy. Probably not in their best interest currently. The Monagasquess live very nice lives and the marketing of the country is dependent on the royal family.
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Old 07-15-2011, 09:05 AM
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I don't wanna open a new thread but I just started a new social group, Princesss Charlene supports.
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Old 07-15-2011, 09:28 AM
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Disagree. If the Monagasques don't want him he's gone a la Tunisia , Egypt, etc. They would go to a democracy. Probably not in their best interest currently. The Monagasquess live very nice lives and the marketing of the country is dependent on the royal family.
This is part of Europe. Things like that don't happen in politically stable and economical healthy societies in Europe. Especially not in catholic countries. He is not a dictator, he is their souverain prince due to his ancestors' ability to care well for little Monaco. The risk of being snatched up by France and to have to share all their wordly goods with the French is too great to risk any kind of disruption of his rule, because they can't legally dispose him, they would have to use force and even then it is not clear how France would react. And France has enough military/police to imprison the whole population of Monaco if they so decide.
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Old 07-15-2011, 10:45 AM
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Any group of people who would depose a ruler because he does not give out enough personal information about himself and family would deserve to be overtaken. No taxes, full employment, and I'm assuming a low crime rate, ..... that would be the stuff of a fairytale. I read the other day that Monaco's life expectancy is 90yrs. What other country can boast of these things? Become a republic and they would have the honor of having politicians, graft, taxes etc., etc. Would that be worth knowing where the Prince and Princess are going on their honeymoon or what their marital arrangement is ..... not for me ....
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Old 07-15-2011, 11:24 AM
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If he divorces, then he is free to marry another under common law.
not sure if i'm misundertanding you here but divorce doesn't exist in the catholic church. the marriage must be annulled by the church (civilannullements don't count in the church either)
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Old 07-15-2011, 12:10 PM
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not sure if i'm misundertanding you here but divorce doesn't exist in the catholic church. the marriage must be annulled by the church (civilannullements don't count in the church either)
A bit off topic but yes he can divorce and remarry in a civil ceremony. No it would not be recognized by the RC Church but their recognition is not legally required. Any children by the legal second civil marriage would have succession rights. It is always the civil marriage that is the required one, the Catholic marriage is more the icing on the cake.
Remember Carolines marriage to Stefano was a civil one as was her 3rd to Ernst August. The annullment of her 1st marriage did not come through until after Stefanos death, yet the children of the 2nd and 3rd marriages are in the line of succession in Monaco.
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Old 07-15-2011, 02:02 PM
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In Monaco, the heirs must be legitamate in the eyes of the Catholic church. The Casiraghis were not considered in line until PC's marriage to Junot was annulled by the church.
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Old 07-15-2011, 02:12 PM
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In Monaco, the heirs must be legitamate in the eyes of the Catholic church. The Casiraghis were not considered in line until PC's marriage to Junot was annulled by the church.
I recall Caroline was allowed to marry Stefano posthumously in order to legitimize the children. As the Roman Catholicism is the state religion of Monaco as written in their constiution, I guess children have to be born from a marriage which is recognized by the church in order to be legitimate. And really, it took so long to disolve Caroline's first marriage because the pope did not want to give a bad example to others. And I doubt it would be any faster for Albert, not with the current pope.
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Old 07-15-2011, 02:39 PM
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Any group of people who would depose a ruler because he does not give out enough personal information about himself and family would deserve to be overtaken. No taxes, full employment, and I'm assuming a low crime rate, ..... that would be the stuff of a fairytale. I read the other day that Monaco's life expectancy is 90yrs. What other country can boast of these things? Become a republic and they would have the honor of having politicians, graft, taxes etc., etc. Would that be worth knowing where the Prince and Princess are going on their honeymoon or what their marital arrangement is ..... not for me ....
Monaco has the best life expectancy in the world. However, most people like yourself are incorrect in thinking Monaco doesn't have taxes.
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ALBERT: Actually, our biggest source of revenue is our share of the French Added Value Tax, that's also applied in Monaco.

KING: Really?

ALBERT: So to say that there are no taxes in Monaco is not exactly true.

KING: So the visitor's paying it, right?

ALBERT: Well, no, but also ...

KING: Residents when they ...

ALBERT: Residents buy goods -- it's included in your price so you don't really notice it but it is -- so we -- it's there, and we share it with France and they give back to us what they agreed...
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Old 07-15-2011, 02:48 PM
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I recall Caroline was allowed to marry Stefano posthumously in order to legitimize the children. As the Roman Catholicism is the state religion of Monaco as written in their constiution, I guess children have to be born from a marriage which is recognized by the church in order to be legitimate. And really, it took so long to disolve Caroline's first marriage because the pope did not want to give a bad example to others. And I doubt it would be any faster for Albert, not with the current pope.
I read it was partly because Junot was not willing to agree on the reason the marriage failed. Once he had a child of his own he did agree making his own legitimate in the eyes of the Church. Also Rainier held back his tithes which were up near a million per year.
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Old 07-15-2011, 03:00 PM
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I recall Caroline was allowed to marry Stefano posthumously in order to legitimize the children. As the Roman Catholicism is the state religion of Monaco as written in their constiution, I guess children have to be born from a marriage which is recognized by the church in order to be legitimate. And really, it took so long to disolve Caroline's first marriage because the pope did not want to give a bad example to others. And I doubt it would be any faster for Albert, not with the current pope.

Well Kataryn i doubt that a person can marry someone who's already dead. It doesn't make sense: where's the declaration of consent of the deade spouse? P. Caroline got the annulment of her first marrige in the summer of 1992. Pope Jonh Paul, however, anly declared ( and i underline the « Pope declared » ) her children legitimate only in the late winter of 1993. It wasn't a post-mortem marrige, it was a declaration from the highst religious authrity. Take a look:
Pope deems princess' offspring legitimate - Princess Caroline of Monaco | National Catholic Reporter | Find Articles at BNET

Pope deems princess' offspring legitimate - Princess Caroline of Monaco

Hope it works... Hope i was helpful
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Old 07-15-2011, 05:32 PM
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The second life of the wedding carpet...

It's handmade, 100 metres long, 2.75 metres wide, totally handmade, by more than 500 workers, in New Zealand.....

... and now it will be cut up and auctioned.

There will be three occasions at which the carpet pieces go under the hammer:

1) First at Frankfurt, as part of the Fashion for floors

2) New York, Rockefeller center, for the Fondation Prince Albert II de Monaco

3) In Monaco at a special Gala evening.

The proceeds will be divided between the Fondation Prince Albert and the future Princess Charlene Foundation.



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Old 07-15-2011, 05:56 PM
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I'm certainly OK with that. It served it's purpose and now it is being recycled. Better than it being rolled up and going mildewy in some storage area. I hope they get a ton of money to pass along. It excites me that P.Charlene will have her own foundation!
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Old 07-16-2011, 02:43 AM
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I wonder when the Princess Charlene of Monaco Foundation will be launched, and what its purpose will be.
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Old 07-17-2011, 09:09 AM
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I had time to do some research to support my post the whole runaway bride, being held against her will thing I saw on Eringers blog before Lexpress come out with the story. First June 27, 2011 Eringer however, it was posted in the question and answer section. June 28, 2011 google translation. June 30, 2011 Eringer came out with the World Exclusive on the alleged mother of one of the children.
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