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Old 09-19-2008, 01:13 PM
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I think that she still too young to have figured out what to do with her life.

Maybe in two years time Charlotte will know and hopefully she can finish her degree with confidence.

Life is more about experience and fullfillment in my opinion.

A person Charlotte's age needs clear focus to be able to achieve something useful.
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Old 09-19-2008, 05:40 PM
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True she is young, but i believe she should work a little harder to establish herself. But I did hear recently that she was deciding on something, like what to do next. What she was deciding on I donít know, I was too tired to ask. But Iím sure ye will find out what it is, if it comes to pass.
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Cute outfit aside from the shoes.
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Cute outfit aside from the shoes.
Yes, very cute outfit!

The shoes aren't all THAT bad, are they?
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:16 PM
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^ They do nothing for the outfit, in my opinion.
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^ They do nothing for the outfit, in my opinion.
OK, that's fine. We can just agree to disagree.

The shoes don't distract from the beauty of the dress. Maybe that's what Charlotte intended?
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:52 PM
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Here in America, schools work at stressing the importance of creativity, both or oral speech and in writing. It's pretty key, here, actually. Oh sure, grammar and all that good stuff is taught, but, the ability to express oneself with flair is also valued, as are opinions and the ability to think independently. Really !
I was including Americans that I know in that. The British system, the French, the Spanish, the German, the Italian, and the American too. They all aim to teach how to be creative;at the end of the day the teachers have targets to meet. The American system is reknowned for giving a 'board general' education, and education in Europe tends to see specialisation in subjects earlier.
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Old 09-19-2008, 06:57 PM
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... The American system is reknowned for giving a 'board general' education, and education in Europe tends to see specialisation in subjects earlier.
Poppy, have you gone to school here in America?

Yes, our schools do tend to stress being well rounded, over getting too specific. We leave all that to post grad (post high school) education, and beyond (post-grad degree) that point.

I can admit that I am always impressed how very bright all the Euro and British school kids are who come here to go to school. They almost always appear to me to be more urbane, & more cosmopolitan, too.
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Old 09-19-2008, 07:05 PM
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most people that age really haven't formed an opinion as to what they want to accomplish yet. Any thoughts on this?
I think most people her age have a clear idea of what they want...it's how to go about getting it that usually puts them in a fix. I hope that's the case with her. It's always better to think things through than to plow ahead, change course in the middle, get to another venture, change course...that would be a waste of time and resources. I just truly hope she has plans, I'm sure she has as she seems like a level-headed girl. Important thing is for her to realize how incredibly lucky she is to have all that resources and opportunities available to her and to not let them go to waste. She's Charlotte Casiraghi and the world is her oyster and we all wish her the best of luck!

Btw, great look at the fashion show. I am so loving her hair at the moment. The Casiraghi trio are all looking pretty well these days.
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Old 09-19-2008, 07:07 PM
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Btw, great look at the fashion show. I am so loving her hair at the moment. The Casiraghi trio are all looking pretty well these days.
Caroline's children are all BLESSED to look the way they do.

They are all quite fortunate, that's for sure.
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Poppy, have you gone to school here in America?

Yes, our schools do tend to stress being well rounded, over getting too specific. We leave all that to post grad (post high school) education, and beyond (post-grad degree) that point.

I can admit that I am always impressed how very bright all the Euro and British school kids are who come here to go to school. They almost always appear to me to be more urbane, & more cosmopolitan, too.
I have very close family on the east coast, and one of my closet friends spend half her adolescence in the States (in N. Jersey). With the French and British system you tend to start specialising at 16/17. General eduction finishes at that age. An undergraduate is usually (in England) in one or two subjects.

Well I sure if they are from the larger cities they are those things. Not everyone is like that obviously. We admire the Americans for their lack of a class system.

Charlotte will have had a very typical French education. She may have already graduated; for all we know.
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Old 09-20-2008, 12:28 AM
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Charlotte attended the Issa Fashion Show during London Fashion Week
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Charlotte looked gorgeous. Her dress was cute. I like especially that flower pattern, but why her dress has to be that short.
OK, I am getting old.
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We admire the Americans for their lack of a class system.
Well, I hate to burst your bubble of admiration for us, but, we definitely have a class or caste system here.
What WE have that you might not, is what I like to call Class Flexibility, Class Mobility.
For example, if you are born into a lower class background, you can become higher class just by earning a certain amount of money ... You can become of the noble class here, without having been born into that caste, although whether or not that milieu will accept you (We have our snobs here, too, don't be fooled) is another matter entirely.
I think in the UK you have to have been born into a class or caste to be considered part of that caste.
Conversely,here you can also go from riches to rags, too. You can be born into a higher class here, meet financial ruin and now, be thought of as being lower class!
We are not limited by what we are born into, in other words. You can become self-made here. You can be born in the poorest ghetto here, and then become one of the highest social pecking order. Rappers are prime examples of this. People like that P. Diddy, Snoop Dog, etc. were born into abject poverty and now make 50 million a year. They socialise with Presidents of Corporations and our own President, Movie stars etc.

Mind you, I may be stereotyping the UK. But, I think it's harder to move from one class to another over there. I think the same might be true for Europe, too.
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For example, if you are born into a lower class background, you can become higher class just by earning a certain amount of money ... .
It's precisely the same, although to be upper class, you have to be born upper class.

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I think in the UK you have to have been born into a a class.
No you don't. Class transgression has a lot to do with education.


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Mind you, I may be stereotyping the UK. But, I think it's harder to move from one class to another over there. I think the same might be true for Europe, too.
I think you are. Although it doesn't make the US sound as class neutral, as we would always presume. It isn't bursting my bubble at all. It was just one of those things, that the Uk tended to think, was a good about the US.
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Old 09-20-2008, 06:22 PM
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It's precisely the same, although to be upper class, you have to be born upper class.



No you don't. Class transgression has a lot to do with education.




I think you are. Although it doesn't make the US sound as class neutral, as we would always presume. It isn't bursting my bubble at all. It was just one of those things, that the Uk tended to think, was a good about the US.
I'm not so sure I would agree with all said here, you seem to be saying both things?

I lived in the UK for many years and I have to say I was always surprised by how many people would really fool me when I thought they were people that would not care or be beyond the idea of class by right of birth (not education). If an argument insued between them, they always seemed to resort to someone's true class they were born into, and how they would or could never be anything else? This always amazed me? So as an American to some extent we are not so married to that idea of entitlement between the classes or that someone is truly better than another for that reason. I'm sure there are always people who would like to draw themselves into a separate circle of society by birth, and will hang on to that idea if they think it serves them. But Poppy you are right it is not quite the same in the U.S. (IMO). A person who just lives off inheritance is not so much admired as it might be elsewhere? A person who has come from humble beginnings and made something of themselves through some hard work is considered the American way? Just listen to all the Presidential candidates through the years, and how much they downplay their silverspoon lives or promote their hardships they've endured? Being a self made man or woman here carries a lot of weight, where in other societies your breeding is really celebrated and not a source of embarrassment like it might be to some here, unless you are Paris Hilton? I still don't see how that girl gets any traction? Anyway, Abagail is also right, we also have a class system, but it seems more rooted in the have and have nots and there are many that are interested in keeping it that way. The rise of capitalism or even imperialism in the U.S. -- We are seeing the result of that right now. Our current situation here probably sums it all up best!

I think we must be getting off subject here? But I think we got started on it all for the reason that there is an idea that someone like Charlotte and her family have an obligation to contribute to society in some way. "Noblesse oblige" I think that is probably a universal idea? I think Charlene and her brothers are being afforded an opportunity to have both a youthful good life for themselves, and also one where they can and do contribute, but will not feel like such a burden. A full but balanced life.
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It's precisely the same, although to be upper class, you have to be born upper class.
I don't get that.
How can it be "precisely the same" if you have to be born into the upper class to be upper class? That was just my point about our class system in the US, Poppy! That, to be any class you don't have to be born into it. You can be upper class here, just by making enough money ... You can move from one class to another here and achieve the highest caste here, by NOT being born into that caste or class.


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No you don't. Class transgression has a lot to do with education.
But, you just posted that to be upper class you have to born into it. So, you just proved my point. A lower class person in the UK cannot achieve nobility just by making a million or so a year. HERE, you can do just that, but, then you have to contend with being accepted into a certain milieu, even if your income qualifies you for admittance. Many people born into our highest social pecking order here, only want to associate with their own kind, so .....
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An interesting subject, but could we get back to the topic at hand please. Thanks!


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Cute outfit aside from the shoes.
Stylish, but mismatched - the dress seems too casual for the shoes; the shoes and stockings don't really go w/a summer-weight/style dress....
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^ See, I like the stockings because they're sheer. Had they been opaque the outfit would have fallen apart immediately. Fall isn't officially over until this Monday, so she may be trying to tie in the elements of the seasons with this outfit -- Vintage summer dress, black stockings usually reserved for fall.

I do agree on the shoes being too casual. Maybe if she wore some strappy black heels with an interesting heel it would have worked?
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