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Old 04-19-2004, 02:50 PM
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One more thing, about Charlotte being stuck up. I believe that you are all correct in that she SEEMS stuck up.

However, when I was a teen, people used to think that I was stuck up and vane. My friends tell me that when they saw me for the first time, they saw a tall proud girl walking in, looking down on everyone.

Needless to say, I've never really looked down on anyone and am actually the kind of person to try and look for the good side in every person. My point is that there are things, mannerisms and such, that make you come across as vane. Being shy is one (and this was the reason why people thought I was stuck up), you can conduct yourself in such a way to seem more distant to people, so that they wouldn't approach you (and if they did, they'd see that - actually - you're not really vane, just insecure in a way). :flower:

OK, I admit that I think there's a bit of vanity in Charlotte, though. But, isn't there in each and every one of us? At least I think that I'm special in a one-of-a-kind way, I hope that you do too! That's only healthy! :woot:
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Old 04-19-2004, 03:03 PM
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Watchman: According to what you've heard, it is impossible to date Charlotte, because she is so vane and snobbish. I have noticed that boys often think that girls are stuck up when they don't really want to go out with them. Some young girls, however, feel that they are not ready to start going out with a guy and thus give the impression of being cold-hearted and stuck up. When boys first started asking me out, I used to get on really well with them while on the phone, but when we actually had a date, I'd give them a cold shoulder. Such a scaredy-pants was I! :woot:
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Old 04-19-2004, 03:35 PM
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I can't see the pic of charlotte and max :(
Can someone help me, please?
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miau: I think you have a very interesting point there. But I think it is not ok for me to judge whether Charlotte is stuck up or not. I'm just repeating what I've heard and its not like I wanna date her or anything- I believe when you grow up with such a situation like Charlottes, being the only girl in the family, the father died when she was still young and all this, I think she might be kind of shy or locking herself away from something. May be she has not found herself yet, doesn't know what she wants or so and thats why she doesn't want any shared privacy...
I don't know and I think we shouldn't try and find justifications for her behaviour which don't even exactly know!
But I think you are right!

kerleguer: try typing in the adress in your browser directly...
otherwise I could try to mail it to you! good luck.
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Old 04-19-2004, 05:08 PM
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Watchman: I agree, it is pretty impossible for us to say that we know for a fact this is how she behaves, when we don't know her in a first-hand basis. In addition to her, all the people around her have their own personal motives that determine their attitude towards her, so we'd only be sure if we knew her personally. Anyway, it was really great to hear something new about her. I bet we're all thankful for that. :flower:

:woot: By the way, where did you get the pic of Charlotte that you have as your avatar? Is there a story behind it too? It's quite a nice picture, could you please post a link to the full-sized version, if there is one? Thank you so much!
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Old 04-19-2004, 05:28 PM
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Miau,

I respect your opinion but why can't I disagree? Just because I think she not pretty, it doesn't mean that I dislike her. Besides, I find her attractive. But I think that her natural beauty is a natural "beauty". The only things that I find naturally gorgeous on her are her eyes and hair. The rest I find "not good looking" or unproportional. But she's charming and elegant, what makes her attractive. Why is that such a problem?
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Old 04-19-2004, 07:05 PM
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Renats, I completely agree with you on the Charlotte thing. Don't be scared of anybody here, I am sure we are all mature enough to respect everyone's opinion. By the way, do you do any community service or things of that nature? You seem to be interested, as I am, in making a difference. I know this is probably going to sound a little crazy but helping is what I'm going to revolve my life around. :flower:

Miau, please don't misinterpret Renats and I's comments about Charlotte as negative. We're simply stating our opinions, we weren't trying to be rude or critical about her at all. :woot:

Watchman, you are right when you say that these young people are just like us, having problems as well. I should think they would have harder lives than all of us because of who they are. It's never easy to be in the public eye! It brings many added pressures and problems. Thanks for sharing these things with us, we really appreciate getting a little insight into the real Casiraghi Trio, and not their public personas. Pierre sounds like a very interesting and fun person and I'm glad Andrea has become more sensitive in his later years. I hope he and Pierre will take more advantage of their roles such as Andrea did in his recent visit to Kenya and help to truly make a difference. :)
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Old 04-19-2004, 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by kerleguer@Apr 19th, 2004 - 2:35 pm
I can't see the pic of charlotte and max :(
Can someone help me, please?
Click on the link, and if it doesn't work, then try again later. :flower:
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Old 04-19-2004, 10:07 PM
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Renats, I completely agree with you on the Charlotte thing. Don't be scared of anybody here, I am sure we are all mature enough to respect everyone's opinion. By the way, do you do any community service or things of that nature? You seem to be interested, as I am, in making a difference. I know this is probably going to sound a little crazy but helping is what I'm going to revolve my life around.  :flower:

Miau, please don't misinterpret Renats and I's comments about Charlotte as negative. We're simply stating our opinions, we weren't trying to be rude or critical about her at all.    :woot:

Watchman, you are right when you say that these young people are just like us, having problems as well. I should think they would have harder lives than all of us because of who they are. It's never easy to be in the public eye! It brings many added pressures and problems. Thanks for sharing these things with us, we really appreciate getting a little insight into the real Casiraghi Trio, and not their public personas. Pierre sounds like a very interesting and fun person and I'm glad Andrea has become more sensitive in his later years. I hope he and Pierre will take more advantage of their roles such as Andrea did in his recent visit to Kenya and help to truly make a difference. :)
Thank you for your support. And you're totally right. The point is not to attack her, but to say our honest opinion.

And yes I'm very involved with that stuff. I was lucky enough to be born in a family that does that kind of work, but I guess it's also natural of me since I take it more seriously than my sibs. When we're doing something like that, my brother calls me paranoid and bossy . I do get kind of crazy because I want us to do it the best way as possible. And my career choice is related to that either. I'll be a child psychologist. Being more specific, a therapy child psychologist. To help kids that are depressed, abused, "different", etc. And then, the other day, I was making my numerology, just for fun, and it was saying that my destiny number is 9. The number 9 is the number of "good causes", the number that leads people to be involved with it. Now, I don't really believe in destiny, but I laughed really hard with that result. Also, just like yours, my name starts with the letter "R" and R=9. And the first letter is more important than the others. Do you want me to see where your nines and other numbers are? And I don't think that it's crazy that you want to revolve your life around helping others. I actually find it lovely. :flower:
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Old 04-20-2004, 01:04 AM
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Kittencrews where did you hear that the Jumping was cancelled and why? You know maybe it wasn't cancelled, maybe it was postponed; remember last year the WMAs were held on October instead of March because of what was going on in the world at the time. It's still weird that the Jumping would be cancelled.

Thanks for the info you have provided us Watchman, I also heard the same thing from Charlotte and the others in the past, but I guess we can't make a true judgement because we haven't met them actually. I think Pierre's attitude of trying to live a more discrete life is the best thing to do, because the media can be terrible at times.

If Charlotte is snobby then it's bad but she's still pretty BTW is it true that Hubertus was a DJ? Does your friend know Val or Marie Christine?
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Old 04-20-2004, 03:01 AM
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Too bad about the Monaco jumping competition being cancelled. I was looking forward to those pix as well.

I think Charlotte is very beautiful, lovely, and an all around good looking person who also possesses style and elegance. I have always thought she was attractive and still do.

I have never met Charlotte and so I can't judge her personality or anything else. However, I think she's a young girl who seems to be very studious, private, and family oriented. She doesn't seem stuck up to me and as I have never met her then I can't judge. I judge people by how they treat me, etc. not on rumors or heresay. Charlotte is very young and still has a lot to learn. She will find her way in the end. Charlotte and Caroline are still two of my fave royals. :flower:
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Old 04-20-2004, 05:46 AM
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According to the Yahoo Group: charcanet

" Events NEWS!: As many of you may realized the "10ème Jumping de Monte Carlo" didin't started last thursday 15th like it was previewd; we don't know the reason why the date has been changed, but we know that it's going to be from April 22nd to 24th. (Hope they don't change the date again *s*). "


Nope edit that. It is cancelled!!

a Newer message on charcanet, from the actual Monte Carlo organisers said

"The dates concerning the Jumping of Monte-Carlo were
confused because the Jumping has been cancelled for
2004.
The next edition of the Jumping will take place in
april 2005 and the dates should be on April 21, 22 &
23."
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Old 04-21-2004, 01:00 AM
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hi, i am new to this forum. I have been searching for news about charlotte for quite a time... this forum has loads of those. charlotte is my fav royalty and i like everyone else, i think she is really beautiful.
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Old 04-21-2004, 03:17 AM
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Miau,

I respect your opinion but why can't I disagree? Just because I think she not pretty, it doesn't mean that I dislike her. Besides, I find her attractive. But I think that her natural beauty is a natural "beauty". The only things that I find naturally gorgeous on her are her eyes and hair. The rest I find "not good looking" or unproportional. But she's charming and elegant, what makes her attractive. Why is that such a problem?
I wrote my comments above in order to point out how sick I am to hear negative comments about Charlotte all the time. Nowadays you hear nothing about the girl except criticism, some negative comments of which are absolutely absurd. My posts weren't addressed directly to you - or to any specific person's posts on this postboard, for that matter. I just felt it was time for a wake-up call.

In the following list, I have collected just some of the criticisms:

- She wears monochrome colours too much
- She dresses like my granny, far too old for her age
- She combines items in an unsuitable way
- She's lost her fashion sense
- Her body is far from perfect, unproportioned and weird
- Her legs are skeletal and her knees lumpy
- Riding has deformed her thighs
- She isn't exactly well-endowed
- She should cut her untidy lengths of hair
- I liked her hair colour better when it was darker
- Her hairstyle has gotten into a rut and she doesn't wear her hair up as much any more, which is a shame
- Her hair is too large and thick
- Her bangs cover her eyes and make her face seem unattractive
- She wears too little makeup
- I liked her teeth better the way they were before her riding accident
- She has wrinkles under her eyes
- She always looks bored and/or tired

You can add to the list if you like.
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Old 04-21-2004, 07:13 AM
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The old adage says that "Nobody is perfect." We should respect that about Charlotte, because she is a mere person, not a goddess or whatnot. I do agree with ALL of your points, miau (referring to your points), and as for the vanity thing, many people are seen as a little stuck up because they're not as extroverted as others are. Growing up in a family like Charlotte's and having her status must've added to this .. aloof disposition she has, so we can't judge her by that.
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:( it's impossible to me to see the pic of Max and Charlotte.
when I click I only see a red cross, anything else.
Watchman, please, can you send me this pic or post again?
thank you
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Originally posted by miau+Apr 21st, 2004 - 2:17 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (miau @ Apr 21st, 2004 - 2:17 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-renats@Apr 19th, 2004 - 4:28 pm
Miau,

I respect your opinion but why can&#39;t I disagree? Just because I think she not pretty, it doesn&#39;t mean that I dislike her. Besides, I find her attractive. But I think that her natural beauty is a natural "beauty". The only things that I find naturally gorgeous on her are her eyes and hair. The rest I find "not good looking" or unproportional. But she&#39;s charming and elegant, what makes her attractive. Why is that such a problem?
I wrote my comments above in order to point out how sick I am to hear negative comments about Charlotte all the time. Nowadays you hear nothing about the girl except criticism, some negative comments of which are absolutely absurd. My posts weren&#39;t addressed directly to you - or to any specific person&#39;s posts on this postboard, for that matter. I just felt it was time for a wake-up call.

In the following list, I have collected just some of the criticisms:

- She wears monochrome colours too much
- She dresses like my granny, far too old for her age
- She combines items in an unsuitable way
- She&#39;s lost her fashion sense
- Her body is far from perfect, unproportioned and weird
- Her legs are skeletal and her knees lumpy
- Riding has deformed her thighs
- She isn&#39;t exactly well-endowed
- She should cut her untidy lengths of hair
- I liked her hair colour better when it was darker
- Her hairstyle has gotten into a rut and she doesn&#39;t wear her hair up as much any more, which is a shame
- Her hair is too large and thick
- Her bangs cover her eyes and make her face seem unattractive
- She wears too little makeup
- I liked her teeth better the way they were before her riding accident
- She has wrinkles under her eyes
- She always looks bored and/or tired

You can add to the list if you like. [/b][/quote]
I don&#39;t agree with everything pointed, but I agree with some of it. Negative opinions are as valuable as positive ones. There&#39;s no reason to be so defensive about it. If the comments are absurd or not, it&#39;s a matter of opinion. I don&#39;t agree that there&#39;re only negative comments about her lately. I actually see more positive than negative ones. IMO, you are just seeing our comments in bigger proportions. And I also think that most people that like her are more realistic now than they used to be. I agree that she&#39;s a person and not a goddess, and I think that that&#39;s exactly why we don&#39;t have to reffer to her like one. Even if we hatted her(which we don&#39;t), we would have that right, and we would have the right to say so. You don&#39;t have to like the negative comments but those comments should be respected. No matter how many they are or how much you disagree.
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Miau, I have to agree with you. My God, the poor girl&#39;s only 17 and people are pointing out how horrible everything about her is.
I personally find Charlotte to still be quite stunning, and, if genetics are an indicator of anything, she will only get more beautiful with age. Now, granted, I don&#39;t like her hair and she is a bit gaunt, but she still remains the most beautiful royal out there, perhaps with the exception of her mother.
Also, I think her personality is quite interesting, and to me, in pictures, she always seems quite gracious, royal, and personable. I can&#39;t see where people get off saying she always looks bored.
Why does everyone one this message board seem all too content to start bashing Charlotte all of a sudden? After all, she is human, and humans have all too visible flaws. Just because she happens to have acquired one or two microscopic flaws in her appearance doesn&#39;t give people an excuse to knock her. And aside from that, most of the people attacking her are probably doing it to help settle and aleve their own insecurities.
So, instead of knocking Charlotte&#39;s very meager faults, why don&#39;t we praise her accomplishments and good qualities. As my mother says, if you don&#39;t have anything goood to say, KEEP YOUR FAT MOUTH SHUT&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;
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Originally posted by grecka+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grecka)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>I personally find Charlotte to still be quite stunning, and, if genetics are an indicator of anything, she will only get more beautiful with age.* Now, granted, I don&#39;t like her hair and she is a bit gaunt, but she still remains the most beautiful royal out there, perhaps with the exception of her mother.*
* ** Also, I think her personality is quite interesting, and to me, in pictures, she always seems quite gracious, royal, and personable.* I can&#39;t see where people get off saying she always looks bored. [/b]


Your opinion. Should be respected, but we may agree or not.

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Originally posted by grecka+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (grecka)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> Why does everyone one this message board seem all too content to start bashing Charlotte all of a sudden?[/b]


The question should be: Why do some people in this board seem to not respect other people&#39;s opinions all of a sudden?

And bashing? That&#39;s a very strong word. I don&#39;t see things that way.

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Just because she happens to have acquired one or two microscopic flaws in her appearance doesn&#39;t give people an excuse to knock her.
I don&#39;t agree that she just has a few microscopic flaws and I don&#39;t have to agree. She&#39;s human, that means that she has tons of flaws.

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And aside from that, most of the people attacking her are probably doing it to help settle and aleve their own insecurities.
So, instead of knocking Charlotte&#39;s very meager faults, why don&#39;t we praise her accomplishments and good qualities.
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I think it&#39;s the opposite. I think that people that do their best to see her as almost perfect are trying to settle their own insecurities. I try to see things the way they are. Both the good and the bad stuff. I don&#39;t try to "cover" any of the sides.

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As my mother says, if you don&#39;t have anything goood to say, KEEP YOUR FAT MOUTH SHUT&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;&#33;[/quote]

If you like things that way, it&#39;s fine. It&#39;s your decision. But my mother thought me different values and different ways to express my thoughts and feelings(and with different words). And I thank her for that&#33;
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You&#39;re simply being difficult. Sure, you have a right to your opinion. This is America, land of the free, home of homicidal presidents who invade foreign countries, but when you say things which are both completely unreasonable, and cruel, I have a right to point out your cruelty. Charlotte didn&#39;t chose to be a public figure and, aside from that, she is not an adult. It seems to me a bit below the belt and very cruel to attack someone like that whom you don&#39;t even know. How would you feel if you were scrutinized about everything from your hair to your choice of shoes every time a photographer snapped a picture of you? I know you&#39;ll answer you wouldn&#39;t mind it, as it would come with the territory, just to be contrary, but, if you were in Charlotte&#39;s shoes, I&#39;m sure you&#39;d be a little peeved by the fact that people would be scrutinizing your actions. That is why I defend Charlotte and denounce your offensive comments. She should be able to grow up to be a fine, upstanding adult without people who don&#39;t even know her saying horrible things about her at this crucial maturing stage.
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