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Old 08-09-2006, 07:20 PM
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In ye olde days royals did not care about looks. As long as it was 'fitting' and did contribute to the dynasty's standing and rooting. The d'Udekem d'Acoz family, for an example, still is very ambitious on that point, as we have seen with lady Mathilde (marrying the Duke of Brabant) and lady Hélène (marrying the Marquis Pallavicini). Infanta Elena with Jaime. Princess Astrid with Lorenz. All blueblooded.

The (100% loving) marriage of King Baudouin of the Belgians with Doña Fabiola de Mora y Aragón (a daughter of the Count de Mora, Marquis de Casa Riera) was arranged from A to Z.

The 68-years lasting marriage (with highs and deep lows) of Queen Juliana of the Netherlands with Prince Bernhard zur Lippe-Biesterfeld was arranged from A to Z.

The (100% loving) marriage of Queen Beatrix with the German aristocrat Claus von Amsberg was 'an accident'. She went to the mega-royal pre-wedding ball of her friends Prince Moritz, landgrave of Hessen and Princess Tatjana zu Sayn-Wittgenstein. Her parents hoped she would pick a Prince such or so during that encounter but she 'came home' with a 13-years older German man she was totally in love with. But at least he was of noble descent, born on an estate and raised in ye olde fashioned Prussian way.

King Albert of the Belgians with Donna Paola dei Principi Ruffo di Calabria, Grand Duke Jean of Luxembourg with Princess Joséphine-Charlotte of Belgium, King Juan Carlos of Spain with Princess Sophia of Greece and Denmark, etc. etc. Those are the weddings which do speak to my imagination.
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Old 08-09-2006, 09:14 PM
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do you think that if albert would have looked the way he does now, be 48 but earn an ordinary pay check, charlene would have gone out with him?
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Old 08-09-2006, 11:50 PM
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hell no. Well maybe..............nooooooooooooo
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do you think that if albert would have looked the way he does now, be 48 but earn an ordinary pay check, charlene would have gone out with him?
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Old 08-10-2006, 12:28 AM
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do you think that if albert would have looked the way he does now, be 48 but earn an ordinary pay check, charlene would have gone out with him?
She might, if he was just as charming as he is now. Prince Albert may have many faults, but he is very good at attracting the opposite sex, and not just because of his princely family, money and power. He is also able to attract women because he's cute and intelligent, so I vote yes
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Old 08-10-2006, 01:02 AM
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There are news that Albert & Charlene are together in Sardinia

PA arrived with for vacations in the smart Costa Smeralda, in Sardinia. There was a great party for them. They will stay for a week.
Also arriving from Monaco was the couple Prince Carlo and Princess Camilla of Bourbon 2 Siciles.

I'm sorry I was anable to insert link from Franco-Iberian Royals Board. There were no pics of them
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Old 08-10-2006, 03:16 AM
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There are news that Albert & Charlene are together in Sardinia

PA arrived with for vacations in the smart Costa Smeralda, in Sardinia. There was a great party for them. They will stay for a week.
Also arriving from Monaco was the couple Prince Carlo and Princess Camilla of Bourbon 2 Siciles.

I'm sorry I was anable to insert link from Franco-Iberian Royals Board. There were no pics of them
Lakshmi, Here is the link:

http://members3.boardhost.com/Franco...155133384.html
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Old 08-10-2006, 04:42 AM
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In the same message board there is a message that says:

Moreover, the Spiegel article Kat listed
: below, states that Palace workers were
: imposed a vacation ban for next October...
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So, i Would like to ask, Paca, do you know something about that?

I can't find this article on internet...
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Old 08-10-2006, 05:07 AM
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In the same message board there is a message that says:

Moreover, the Spiegel article Kat listed
: below, states that Palace workers were
: imposed a vacation ban for next October...
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So, i Would like to ask, Paca, do you know something about that?

I can't find this article on internet...
They copied it from Bunte and other articles of the likes. This is an invention to make people believe that there will be a wedding in October. We have plenty of these: the announcement in April, at the red cross ball; wedding in october etc. So far none of this has happened and I am fairly sure that october will also pass without a wedding. Most people won't be taking vacation then ayways: the palace is in full preparation of the events for national holiday and xmas. Besides most french take their vacation end july/august and since you don't have that much vacation per year, they wouldn't really have to have a vacation embargo to stop the 3 people who would want to go on holidays from going. i wish sometimes that the tabloids would use some logic and common sense. And have a look at the calendar occasionally. Anyone familiar with Monaco knows that at the end of the year there are so many official activities, that that would make the worst time in the year to have a wedding.
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Old 08-10-2006, 05:15 AM
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They copied it from Bunte and other articles of the likes. This is an invention to make people believe that there will be a wedding in October. We have plenty of these: the announcement in April, at the red cross ball; wedding in october etc. So far none of this has happened and I am fairly sure that october will also pass without a wedding. Most people won't be taking vacation then ayways: the palace is in full preparation of the events for national holiday and xmas. Besides most french take their vacation end july/august and since you don't have that much vacation per year, they wouldn't really have to have a vacation embargo to stop the 3 people who would want to go on holidays from going. i wish sometimes that the tabloids would use some logic and common sense. And have a look at the calendar occasionally. Anyone familiar with Monaco knows that at the end of the year there are so many official activities, that that would make the worst time in the year to have a wedding.

Ok, thanks. I asked because here in Italy we have a lot of Festivity like 15/08, 01/05, 25/04 but I don't remember a special holiday day for MC..in october. So, I thinked that could be an "evidence" for the wedding...

Thanks Thanks

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Old 08-10-2006, 10:43 AM
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Actually, there's an article on timesonline.co.uk about how Flavio Briatore invited his rich and influential friends to join him in his protest on taxes imposed on yachts by Sardinia's government. If you read the article above listing a few of the guests, it mentions Briatore. It makes sense why HSH was invited.
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Old 08-10-2006, 10:52 AM
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There are news that Albert & Charlene are together in Sardinia

PA arrived with for vacations in the smart Costa Smeralda, in Sardinia. There was a great party for them. They will stay for a week.
Also arriving from Monaco was the couple Prince Carlo and Princess Camilla of Bourbon 2 Siciles.

I'm sorry I was anable to insert link from Franco-Iberian Royals Board. There were no pics of them
How is he going to vacation in Sardinia for a week when he is due in Newport, RI tomorrow for the Jazz Festival & High Society anniversary?
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Old 08-10-2006, 12:20 PM
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You've lost me, Heidi - which Henry are you talking about?
I was responding to a previous post by a RF member named Henry, not Henry the VIII. LOL!!!
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Old 08-10-2006, 03:15 PM
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Of course Prince Albert will marry who he wants, I make no illusion anymore. But all what royal and noble is, fades away under all this. You want to make a theatre (with our taxpayer's money)? That's okay with me. But please, stick to the ancient rules of the game you yourself have set for centuries!

That an unmarried mother with an ex-partner having a criminal record is seen as 'suitable' from becoming Queen of Norway... Or that a lady who was day in, day out anchoring the news on TVE suddenly now is a future Queen of Spain... Or that the famous Orange-Nassau treasures, worn by Yorks, Stuarts, Hannovers, Hohenzollerns, Romanovs etc. now simply are worn by an Argentine banker...

It is all okay. But please, don't expect me to faint and applaud for it. Mathilde Countess d'Udekem d'Acoz, Jaime de Marichalar de Saenz y Tejada from the Counts of Ripalda, Ernst-August Prince of Hannover, Marie-Christine Baroness von Reibnitz, Serena Stanhope from the Earls Harrington, Diana Spencer from the Earls Spencer... thát is royal partner-material.

Yes, I know, I know... unhappy Diana this and that. I can place happy Mathilde against that. Or happy Ernst-August. Or happy Serena.

The glory and fame of their centuries old families do shine on them and add to the 'unique' thing royalty and monarchy is.

I miss that.
Makes sense to me, Henri -- but has it ever been the case that the Grimaldi's closely followed traditions? Apparently all that 'old world charm' and deeply rooted sense of tradition is something that people hold dear but PA does not want to be bothered with -- at least not now and at least so far not in picking out someone that could represent his country in a classy way. I'm not saying he's discarded anything, but imo, he seems more intent on dealing with women/people who could not possibly have any pre-set expectations of what he should be doing (upholding formalty and tradition) because they are easily overwhelmed by the 'Rich-Prince' baggage that Albert comes with.

Charlene and the people connected to her are probably just totally awe-struck and grateful at her luck (or skill as it may be) at being able to keep his attention for this long because Albert's station is so far out of their leagues in the first place. They could not possibly have any expections of PA, where would they start? Charlene W. and her people (family included) are just happy that she keeps getting invited to attend 'the party'. And Albert does not have to do anything for them at all because they would probably be so busy trying to entertain him and keep him happy for fear of being dumped and then pushed out of the social circle.

Although I do not know it to be the case, I cannot imagine that any woman from a noble family would go around with PA in such a public way as CW has been doing, especially after the palace clearly announced he is not going to marry CW, and they have labelled CW as his 'companion/escort' with all the indications that it would have. Would any noblewoman or her family ever tolerate something like that? The fairly recent marriages of the various Crown Princes were at least clear on the intention and commitment to the women that they loved, regardless the background they came from and there was no question about that at all.

I like Albert (he's cute, blah, blah, blah...), but I think that hoping PA would find a girl from a noble family (although I think it would be nice if he found a 'Mathilde' too, or at least someone with some class) -- it's wishful thinking, given Albert is the one we're talking about and his apparent taste for blue-collar over blue-blood.
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Old 08-10-2006, 06:36 PM
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Or happy Ernst-August. Or happy Serena.

The glory and fame of their centuries old families do shine on them and add to the 'unique' thing royalty and monarchy is.

I miss that.
There is also happy Crown Princess Mary, though. She's not from one of your ancient noble families. And there is happy Countess of Wessex, another one not from an aristocratic family. And there are the very happy husbands of the King of Spain's daughters, neither one from blueblood stock. More: Princess Grace of Monaco, Stefano Casiraghi (who would very likely still be Caroline's husband if alive). So it just proves that the royal sense does not have to be innate or acquired through upbringing. It can be learned by formed adults as well.
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CasiraghiTrio, could you write who is in your avatar?
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CasiraghiTrio, could you write who is in your avatar?
It is Tsar Mikhail of Russia. The first Romanov.
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Old 08-11-2006, 05:16 PM
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From Hola magazine pic of P. Albert and Charlene in a event before the Red Cross Ball.
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Old 08-11-2006, 05:27 PM
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Charlene looked very nice at the Red Cross ball and the concert. I think she is making a fool of my previous postings on her and Albert's relationship. She seems to be fitting in better. It is serious, love or PR or both. Albert never had Alicia or even Tasha at this many events, or did he?
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Old 08-11-2006, 07:15 PM
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Charlene looked very nice at the Red Cross ball and the concert. I think she is making a fool of my previous postings on her and Albert's relationship. She seems to be fitting in better. It is serious, love or PR or both. Albert never had Alicia or even Tasha at this many events, or did he?
Well, Rainier died, so he can do what ever he wants. Do you thing that his dad would have allowed him to take her out in public after the maldive and grand prix pictures? the old man had common sense. When I look at her I see someone who isn't true to herself. What 28 year old stays with a 48 year old man if there wouldn't be an incentive? He might be still charming now, but in a few years...lets be realistic. Young women appreciate wealth but not the old man that comes with it. I've seen it in 99% of the cases. lets not forget that she left her young boyfriend for Albert. i wonder why?
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Old 08-11-2006, 07:30 PM
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Well, Rainier died, so he can do what ever he wants. Do you thing that his dad would have allowed him to take her out in public after the maldive and grand prix pictures? the old man had common sense. When I look at her I see someone who isn't true to herself. What 28 year old stays with a 48 year old man if there wouldn't be an incentive? He might be still charming now, but in a few years...lets be realistic. Young women appreciate wealth but not the old man that comes with it. I've seen it in 99% of the cases. lets not forget that she left her young boyfriend for Albert. i wonder why?
Yes, I have also been bothered by that. She never convinces me totally of her sincerity but she did look nice in these recent pics (Red cross ball, the concert) and it was some improvement, but on the other hand it could be my wishful thinking. You are right, though, and I will take your opinion to the next step: That is the type of woman Albert likes, who knows why. NC and TR have that golddigger quality about them too. I'm not blaming them, I mean who wouldn't be drawn to the Grimaldi wealth, the glamour, and all it comes with? To hang out with those beautiful and awesome people on a regular basis, come on! But I would hope Albert would have better sense than to let his dynastic duties by guided by his egotistical hungers.
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