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Old 08-07-2006, 11:24 AM
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I want to see someone who loves Albert for the man he is, not his title, someone who shares his ideals and will help him to realize them, someone who will help his humantarian projects, someone who will be there for him and support him when times are rough
Okay so far no one of us can say if Charlene loves him for the man he is or not. No one here can say if she she shares the same ideals and if she will help him zo realize them. Or if she will be there for him when times are rough. No one knows it, only Albert and Charlene do. So that aren't proper reasons to dislike her, just my opinion.

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And not someone who will create additional stress by giving unsuitable interviews and using his postion to promote her own image.
Well it seems the only ones who are stressed by her interviews are some people on forums, but not Albert.... He is still 'dating' her even after those interviews. And how is she using his position to promote herself? I have no clue, sorry.....
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Old 08-07-2006, 11:42 AM
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I have no issues with how she is dressed, whether her luggage matches or not, and whether she brings a snack with her. She's dressed casually and comfortable, yet not skanky. Her luggage seems practical - does it really matter whether they aren't part of a set? And maybe she'd prefer to have a healthy alternative to what is served on the plane? Who knows?

Yes, I agree sometimes some of the pics make it easy to wonder how well she would do as a princess, however, I think present crown princesses even have some of those photos. Being a royal consort is a career, and can we really determine someone's potential by looking at pics? Could we judge any person's potential for any career by pics alone for that matter?

I think character, not looks, will be the most determining factor in how well she would do as a wife and royal consort and I've never met her, so I can't comment on that. If she makes Prince Albert happy, that's great, and hopefully he appreciates the pressure she will carry on her shoulders trying to meet the public's expectations and thus makes ever attempt to make the transition easier for her, should he decide to propose.
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Old 08-07-2006, 11:53 AM
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Okay so far no one of us can say if Charlene loves him for the man he is or not. No one here can say if she she shares the same ideals and if she will help him zo realize them. Or if she will be there for him when times are rough. No one knows it, only Albert and Charlene do. So that aren't proper reasons to dislike her, just my opinion.
I said that I am not a fan of hers and I said what I would like to see as qualities in the women Albert wants to marry. I did not say that Charlene doesn't have these qualities. Maybe she will show us her qualities one day. At present she is just smiling in pictures and giving interviews that do not reveal anything about her qualities except that she won't drawn in a pool.


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Well it seems the only ones who are stressed by her interviews are some people on forums, but not Albert.... He is still 'dating' her even after those interviews. And how is she using his position to promote herself? I have no clue, sorry.....
Well, to me the whole family, appart from Antoinette looked pretty stressed coming in. And she only gave those interview, because people were interested in her due to his position, not due to what she actually acieved in her life. So I don't see what the point of these interviews were if not promoting her own image.
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Old 08-07-2006, 12:05 PM
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And frankly to me Charlene has nothing of what I expect of a wife for Albert.
This was from your previous post. To me that means she has not one of those qualitlies you've mentioned before.

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I said that I am not a fan of hers and I said what I would like to see as qualities in the women Albert wants to marry. I did not say that Charlene doesn't have these qualities. Maybe she will show us her qualities one day. At present she is just smiling in pictures and giving interviews that do not reveal anything about her qualities except that she won't drawn in a pool.
So if you also don't know if she has any of those qualities, what makes you dislike her.


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Well, to me the whole family, appart from Antoinette looked pretty stressed coming in. And she only gave those interview, because people were interested in her due to his position, not due to what she actually acieved in her life. So I don't see what the point of these interviews were if not promoting her own image.
I have no clue why they looked stressed, but again there could be 1000 reasons for this and in the end no one of us knows them.

And about those interviews, again Albert ist still 'dating' her, so it seems to be okay for him.
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:00 PM
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Oh please, aren't there more important things in this world then Charlen wittstock traveling with two unmatching suitcases? I am surely not a fan of hers, but really that is the least of her problems. If she is going to be a rpincess of Monaco, I expect a lot more of her then owning matching luggage and clothes that make her look good. IMO she could be more beautiful then Grace, have all the wonderful clothes in the world and always smile at the right time when a camera is pointed her way so you guys can say what a wonderful princess. To me she still would't do anything. I want to see someone who loves Albert for the man he is, not his title, someone who shares his ideals and will help him to realize them, someone who will help his humantarian projects, someone who will be there for him and support him when times are rough and not someone who will create additional stress by giving unsuitable interviews and using his postion to promote her own image. And frankly to me Charlene has nothing of what I expect of a wife for Albert. It looks at present as if he is of a different opinion and I might have to get used to seeing her around here (though I still have hope). BUt her unmatching suitcases is really not sth that should and would prevent her from becoming a princess.
yes, but concerning suitcase set I was Just joking!!!
As I told you paca, i'm a Pr, and my work is to give better image to person.
In my opinion Charlene, is trying to improve her OWN image, without success. She is dating a prince, but she is still criticized on ALL news paper of the world.
If you date ALBERT, You MUST to be compared to Grace. So, try to do your best in order to give the impression "I'm not beautiful as Grace but I have MY OWN personality and charme"
Charlene is alsways looking as a fish out of water.

What Charlene needs is a Pr staff that can help her to improve this images , that as we say here in Italy is: something like water (so without taste!)

I don't Know if she is in love, or if she is dating Albert only for publicity,..... Is not my affair.

I think that probably as she is an atleth she has got a LOT OF PERSONALITY, but in this moment she is not showing it!

I think also that if she is really interested in Albert she should manage his image in different ways... for example, promoting foundraising events, charity events, or give her help to major organization of charity, helping children without parents....etc etc

in this moment she is only a 28 years old girl, that once was an atleth, that now is living with money of Albert, that dropped out the school....

is not what I will expect from a Princess.

Kisses Paca... you are my favourite!!

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Old 08-07-2006, 01:11 PM
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She is dating a prince, but she is still criticized on ALL news paper of the world.
So far she isn't really critizied by any paper in the world. They are just saying she will be the future wife of Albert. And every once in a while they say at this and this day will be the engagement.

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I think also that if she is really interested in Albert she should manage his image in different ways... for example, promoting foundraising events, charity events, or give her help to major organization of charity, helping children without parents....etc etc
Actually that should be the task of Albert's wife, and again she is just his official companion not his wife and not his fiancée....
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Old 08-07-2006, 01:19 PM
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Imo, I think that Charlene will be around for little while longer, but I don't think she'll be in for the long haul. I just don't see her as Princess material. Firstly, I have a problem with her education..or lack thereof. Sure she could finish now, but she would just be finishing high school, no higher education is going to make her a target for criticism (as it already has..imagine if they marry!). Secondly, the image that she is presenting is not as great as it could be, if their relationship is for real then I agree with you LadyMichelle, she is in dire need of a PR team..ASAP!

Who knows..maybe she will surprise us one day as paca said, but as for right now..there is absolutely nothing flattering about her, imo of course.

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Old 08-07-2006, 01:34 PM
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I wish he is for the first time right in choosing a girlfriend and if they get to marry that she will be prepared for her role. We can see Mette Marit as the best example of someone who didnt seem to be a good choice but became a good princess as good as any other with better background.
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Old 08-07-2006, 03:31 PM
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After reading some of the latest post concerning PA and CW relationship, it seems we are right back on that speculative road of no return.

PA never stated he would not be accompanied by CW to events, he only confirmed there is no marriage/wedding taking place. IMO, the comment by him was made to slow down the gossip of the tabloids. We all know the tabloids ran rampart with printing articles regarding CW and PA relationship. Most of the information was false. If you pay close attention, it is starting up again. I really do not know what PA has to do to keep this gossip of his personal life to a minimum. Both parties stated the relationship is not of any type of proposal for marriage. Why do people insist of a marriage because CW showed up at the Red Cross Ball? Where is this meaningless information coming from? PA never said CW was going to be his princess bride. Men and women have all types of relationships. What make them any different from any other male and female? Just because we have seen them together via pictures does not mean they are getting married. This speculative list of what is going on between them is becoming endless. The only factual information we know of is PA stated he is not getting married anytime soon. Plus he added if it was Charlene we would know. So who is the culprit of continuing these false rumors? Is it the tabloids or people just carrying fairytales of what they think is going on between PA and
CW, who’s the guilty party (ies)?

As far as CW accompanying PA to future major events will probably continue. I would not put too much faith in the articles written in the tabloids. They are only writing false articles of what enquiring minds want to read. This is how they make tons of money. The pictures that have been posted thus far are only motionless prints and nothing more. How can you tell what is going on in the pictures if you were not there?

Let’s not put the buggy in front of the horse because of pictures posted. The pictures were exposed in the tabloids and the internet of Albert touching Charlene’s hand and a few exchanged glances were only to get the media’s attention. Guess what, it worked! None of us were present at the Red Cross Ball so how could we possibly know the reason behind PA’s behavior. He is a playboy this is no secret. Most playboys are the biggest “cassanovas”and this is how they behave with women; a tender touch and passionate glance, etc. I truly would not read too much into what the tabloids printed with their wild imaginations. Remember they are pros at writing these articles.

Until there is an official announcement given by the Prince via interview or his PR team put something in writing, Charlene is a friend/companion escorting PA to events.

As far as CW being spotted in the airport, so what! It only shows she was in route to a destination and we do not know where…
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Old 08-07-2006, 03:33 PM
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So far she isn't really critizied by any paper in the world. They are just saying she will be the future wife of Albert. And every once in a while they say at this and this day will be the engagement.



Actually that should be the task of Albert's wife, and again she is just his official companion not his wife and not his fiancée....

As I can read, there are a lot of magazines saing the same thing that a lot of people in this message board is writing: wrong dresses, no culture, no charme etc etc...

She is not his wife, she his not is fiancèè, but if she want to marry him, she should manage her imagine in a different way.
Do you remember what ranieri says about Grace, some days before they wedding?

"I liked this girl because coming from a country like America and the hollywood world, she has been treated as stranger. But She has learned the language. She talked to the people using her heart, she gave them something to dream, she permitted to them to be part of a dream."

Ok, maybe Charlene will not marry Albert. As you said she is not his fiancè, but we are waiting for a princess. Not only a simple wife. We are waiting for a Girl that will love Albert that's clear, but also we are waiting for a strong girl with big personality that can help Albert to manage this state, and why not, a Girl that can give to us something to dream, something of romantic, and glamourous...

I think that Charlene has got a big personality, but, she don't show it. This is the pity....
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After reading some of the latest post concerning PA and CW relationship, it seems we are right back on that speculative road of no return..........
Well said!
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Old 08-07-2006, 04:08 PM
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As I can read, there are a lot of magazines saing the same thing that a lot of people in this message board is writing: wrong dresses, no culture, no charme etc etc...
Havn't found one of those mags so far, and as lynda said, I don't give so much to what they are writing.....

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Do you remember what ranieri says about Grace, some days before they wedding?

"I liked this girl because coming from a country like America and the hollywood world, she has been treated as stranger. But She has learned the language. She talked to the people using her heart, she gave them something to dream, she permitted to them to be part of a dream."
I don't think he said that before their marriage.... Grace didn't speak french at first, she had to learn it.... And the monegasque people couldn't stand her. It took Grace years to win their hearts.... But this is another subject....

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Ok, maybe Charlene will not marry Albert. As you said she is not his fiancè, but we are waiting for a princess. Not only a simple wife. We are waiting for a Girl that will love Albert that's clear, but also we are waiting for a strong girl with big personality that can help Albert to manage this state, and why not, a Girl that can give to us something to dream, something of romantic, and glamourous...
Todays life is not a fairytale anymore, and it wasn't a fairytale 50 years ago when Grace came to Monaco. She had a tough time in the beginning. And again we all don't know Charlene. We all don't know her personality, and so it makes no sense to me to judge her from a few events or some pics. She is just his companion. Not more and not less.

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I think that Charlene has got a big personality, but, she don't show it. This is the pity....
And there is also no need for her to show us her personalty. She has no official function.
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Havn't found one of those mags so far, and as lynda said, I don't give so much to what they are writing.....


I don't think he said that before their marriage.... Grace didn't speak french at first, she had to learn it.... And the monegasque people couldn't stand her. It took Grace years to win their hearts.... But this is another subject....


Todays life is not a fairytale anymore, and it wasn't a fairytale 50 years ago when Grace came to Monaco. She had a tough time in the beginning. And again we all don't know Charlene. We all don't know her personality, and so it makes no sense to me to judge her from a few events or some pics. She is just his companion. Not more and not less.


And there is also no need for her to show us her personalty. She has no official function.
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Its amazing how time can colour and/or change peoples perceptions and/or memories. We live in a world where coutless information (good or bad) is at our fingertips and we have such high expectations. We expect the men and women who marry our Royals (I say our because as royalty watchers I feel as though we are one family so to speak) to be ready made and cookie cutter. Once dating they should dress a ceratin way, carry themselves a certain way and talk a certain way because they are dating a Prince/Princess. But they can't. They are regular folks just like us. And the Prince and Princesses who they are dating have YEARS of talking, dressing and acting a certain way. Its not like there is a Princess school that everyone can go to. It takes years to become really polished. And then I am sure we will hear sighs that peole miss the old Charlene.

I think its really unfair that some are comparing Charlene to Princess Grace and Caroline (this is directed to no one in particular). Grace is an icon and for a time...well...even her daughter couldn't live up to her...so its really unfair to expect someone who wasn't born in a priivileged family, an Oscar winning actress to be like her. It took years for Princess Grace to be PRINCESS GRACE.

I didn't know Princess Grace personally...but I am going to take a guess that should would want her son to be happy with a supportive mate who would love him for who he is and not what is he. And if she has broad shoulders, uses mixed up luggage, has not completed high school school, but brings a smile to his face...she might be okay with that.
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Charlene Wittstock: Current Events Part 5

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Oh please, aren't there more important things in this world then Charlen wittstock traveling with two unmatching suitcases? I am surely not a fan of hers, but really that is the least of her problems. If she is going to be a rpincess of Monaco, I expect a lot more of her then owning matching luggage and clothes that make her look good. IMO she could be more beautiful then Grace, have all the wonderful clothes in the world and always smile at the right time when a camera is pointed her way so you guys can say what a wonderful princess. To me she still would't do anything. I want to see someone who loves Albert for the man he is, not his title, someone who shares his ideals and will help him to realize them, someone who will help his humantarian projects, someone who will be there for him and support him when times are rough and not someone who will create additional stress by giving unsuitable interviews and using his postion to promote her own image. And frankly to me Charlene has nothing of what I expect of a wife for Albert. It looks at present as if he is of a different opinion and I might have to get used to seeing her around here (though I still have hope). BUt her unmatching suitcases is really not sth that should and would prevent her from becoming a princess.
Paca I agree with what you have written. It is very sensible. You are there so you know how Monaco works and reacts. From what I understand Albert is the absolute ruler of Monaco - not a figurehead like other royal house so his choice of a wife is important. It's also human nature to want to know more about her. If she is going to be out in the public then people are going to speculate.
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Yes, that it's true. But can you compare Charlene to others european modern princesses, like Mary or Letizia?

I don't think all Modern Princesses started off perfect. They were all groomed for the roles & it took time. Charlene looks like she is dressed for comfort at the airport. I never pay attention to how I look at an airport....& if you look at snap shots of other celebs when they are at airports they are not dressed to the 9s- they aren't wearing makeup, have hats on & are dressed for the nice long flights that they are going on.
She is still a private citizen- she just happens to be dating, is the companion, etc. of a very public figure. JMO
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I didn't know Princess Grace personally...but I am going to take a guess that should would want her son to be happy with a supportive mate who would love him for who he is and not what is he. And if she has broad shoulders, uses mixed up luggage, has not completed high school school, but brings a smile to his face...she might be okay with that.
Don't forget the inadequate hairdo and bad clothing choices that everyone has been complaining about.... haha - I'm kidding, and I'm agreeing with you. My goodness but we are a tough crowd, poor Charlene for even looking at Prince Albert when she's got those shoulders going on! What was she thinking??!!! Oh, I remember, he approached her because he was attracted to her. Maybe it's time everyone stops picking on her and asks him what he was thinking.
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From what I understand Albert is the absolute ruler of Monaco - not a figurehead like other royal house so his choice of a wife is important.
I disagree. I don't care what kind of suit Angela Merkel's husband is wearing or what he is doing. Her decision are important and not her husbands outfit or education. The same with Prince Albert. His ruling has nothing to do with Charlene or any other woman he was dating.
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For all of the criticism of Charlene, not many members ever point out that this is Albert's M.O. If he does ever marry I certainly don't think he will marry someone who will upstage him except that she will be pretty. He's not looking for a Harvard graduate, he never has. I keep reading that Charlene is not the kind of woman who will fulfill the demanding role of princess with charities to support and representing Monaco around the world. Even if that's true, it is Albert's choice and that's not Charlene's fault. As far as any comparison to Mary and Letizia, I've said again and again that Albert doesn't go for that kind of woman and anyway lets just be grateful for Mary and Letizia instead of seeking their clones. They are great princesses.
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I disagree. I don't care what kind of suit Angela Merkel's husband is wearing or what he is doing. Her decision are important and not her husbands outfit or education. The same with Prince Albert. His ruling has nothing to do with Charlene or any other woman he was dating.
Alot of people were interested in Doris Schroeder-Koepf and Hilary Clinton though (and not only for their haircuts), because they were women who cearly had an influence on their husbands politics. Remember that after the elections in Germany Schroeder was behaving pretty macho towards Angela Merkel and he got told off by his wife? that was all over the news and considered very important. Her commenting her husbands behaviour as "suboptimal" and he publicly admitting and excusing himself was quite unusual. We also know from Clinton himself that Hillary was a very important advisor to him. Of course it depends on the role that Albert wants his wife to play or the role that his wife will chose for herself (Angela Merkels husband has his own career, besides men give a little less to talk about then women), but none the less whom he choses to marry might well have an impact on political decisions in Monaco.

But for the moment he has not made any announcement to that matter, so we will just have to wait.
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