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Old 06-10-2006, 08:01 PM
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Here, here to everything just said by Paca and Creative Minds. So true!



As to the quote above here, imagine how different Monaco would look today if Prince Rainier would have chosen his wife on that basis? If PA choses CW based on that, it is not only sad for him but for all of Monaco.

I have said this before, "behind every great man, there is a great woman"
And this has been true all throughout History since the time of Ceaser.

Again, think of Kennedy, who had Jackie, Clinton, who had Hillary, Roosevelt, who had Eleanor... Rainier had Grace etc..

These men became great leaders in a great part because of the strong, educated, supporting women standing at their side, who could contribute to their success, let their men shine and make up for their weaknesses.

A relationship is two complete people. One should compliment the other.
i agree, and Martin Luther King Jr. had Coretta Scott King. they all had wonderful women who supported them, and made them what they were. without them their strength wouldn't have been the same and they wouldn't have left the mark they did.

Charlene just doesn't seem to be that kind of woman.
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Old 06-10-2006, 08:17 PM
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i agree, and Martin Luther King Jr. had Coretta Scott King. they all had wonderful women who supported them, and made them what they were. without them their strength wouldn't have been the same and they wouldn't have left the mark they did.

Charlene just doesn't seem to be that kind of woman.
She might turn out to be that kind of woman. We really can't know. But if she doesn't turn out to be a strong and supportive woman and just a gold-digger, is that Charlene's fault or is it Albert's fault?
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Old 06-10-2006, 08:19 PM
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She might turn out to be that kind of woman. We really can't know. But if she doesn't turn out to be a strong and supportive woman and just a gold-digger, is that Charlene's fault or is it Albert's fault?
i think albert is old enough and has had enough experience to know who is and who isn't if she turns out to be, then he is completely at fault. she's just cahsing in, and he's letting her thus all the shame on the Grimaldi name and Monaco.
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Old 06-10-2006, 08:23 PM
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Paca if you're around, do you mind sharing your knowledge of the words OFFICIAL COMPANION especially as a local. You defined it before (can't say who what when where how why) and I think it adds some terrific insight into things. I haven't seen it posted here. I'll just says words take on different meanings, connotations in different cultures, languages. But I'll leave Paca to define it because I don't want to butcher it!!!!!
I think i posted it in another thread. Did you mean this post?

In France, most people refer to their girlfrieds/boyfriends as fiancee, if they are serious about them. When you are actually living together, people tend to call them mari or femme/epouse, even if you are not married (I always correct people and now that we are seperated I have to keep telling people that I am not divorced and that we never have been married, inspite of all the modern laws, the language hasn't quite caught up with it) THe official term if you are living together is concubinage. And often the neutral form is compagne/compagnon. But this is very rarely used and then usually, when nothing particular about the feelings of the people involved is known. A reporter would probably use it to refer to a relation turned into desaster (i.e. crime of passion). You wouldn't see it used when a wedding is in the air and the couple is head over heels in love. Any native French speakers feel free to correct me, but this is how i have seen these terms used.
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Old 06-10-2006, 08:26 PM
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I think i posted it in another thread. Did you mean this post?

In France, most people refer to their girlfrieds/boyfriends as fiancee, if they are serious about them. When you are actually living together, people tend to call them mari or femme/epouse, even if you are not married (I always correct people and now that we are seperated I have to keep telling people that I am not divorced and that we never have been married, inspite of all the modern laws, the language hasn't quite caught up with it) THe official term if you are living together is concubinage. And often the neutral form is compagne/compagnon. But this is very rarely used and then usually, when nothing particular about the feelings of the people involved is known. A reporter would probably use it to refer to a relation turned into desaster (i.e. crime of passion). You wouldn't see it used when a wedding is in the air and the couple is head over heels in love. Any native French speakers feel free to correct me, but this is how i have seen these terms used.
So, correct me if I'm wrong with Official Companion "you wouldn't see it used when a wedding is in the air and a couple is head over heels in love." I don't want to misquote you! thank you again!
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Old 06-10-2006, 08:35 PM
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So, correct me if I'm wrong with Official Companion "you wouldn't see it used when a wedding is in the air and a couple is head over heels in love." I don't want to misquote you! thank you again!
Correct, I certainly wouldn't use it that way. There are lots of other ways in the french language to express that feeling.
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Old 06-10-2006, 08:38 PM
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Correct, I certainly wouldn't use it that way. There are lots of other ways in the french language to express that feeling.
I wonder what brain trust came up with that one!!!!!

If she's a girlfriend in my opinion, just say it. Bizarre.
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Old 06-10-2006, 08:43 PM
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Is there very much talk about Charlene now since her "title" has been announced? Haven't seen any recent photos of her but of course that doesn't mean anything. Are people hanging with baited breath waiting for a wedding announcement? Or, are they just thinking whatever, she's just another in a long history of women? OR None of the above!
No, there is no talk at all. At least not when you meet people on the street. The church choir is so far not preparing any songs for an upcomming wedding (Fete de Dieu is comming up and then it is off on vacation, which means the little choir boys will be off to asia, thus nothing will be prepared for anything until mid september, which is when preparation for the NH begins. So, for those who are still counting on an October wedding - I don't think so) There are no reports about her in the local paper and I am not expecting any. If she happens to show up at PAs side at an official event this is what she will be referred as. So basically nothing changed really.
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Old 06-11-2006, 01:14 AM
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This thread has been cleaned up. I think that we've had enough verbal attacks against each other and Charlene trashing for one day. Let's move on.

Please remember that we only accept news that can be verified through links from newspapers, amagazines, books, etc.. Since personal anecdoctes from family and friends are non-verifiable, they are considered gossip and therefore cannot be posted on the forum.

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Old 06-11-2006, 01:44 AM
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I know a lot of men (possibly the majority) do need admiration (hence the obscurre need for us to be around as helps when they do a little handy work around,)
LOL I know this is off topic but you are describing my S.O. here!

As for Charlene, I for one think we're all a bit too judgemental about her. Even if she's made mistakes, remember a person can learn from them. And also, how boring would it be if she'd be a goody two shoes like some other girlfriends of heirs to thrones? (no I'll refrain from naming names here
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Old 06-11-2006, 02:06 AM
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I just took a read at the People mag article on PA. My impression is that it does a very good job of supporting the theory that he is either using CW to divert attention from the illegitamate children outing OR he is really going to marry her. But, there are no real sources named and at no time does People back itself into a corner or say anything that goes beyond minor speculation.

The only thing I did read, that I had not heard, was that Nicole is really angry about Jazmin having the Grimaldi name and Alexandre not having it. I guess she does not understand that Albert did not give it to her.

The article does sort of make a big deal of PA taking CW to public events but it fails to recongize that he has done this with many women in the past. I guess I just sort of think that if it were REALLY in the air, PACA might have at least heard it in the breeze......does not mean it won't happen but I really cannot quite swallow that idea that someone like PA (and I do not know him personally) but maybe anyone in their right mind, would let a few illegitmate kids drive them down the isle...Not like he hasn't seen scandal before....
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Old 06-11-2006, 06:38 PM
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IMO maybe she has been a ?calculated? diversion from that OTHER area of his life that just hit the headlines!

Yes this has already been said many times on the board & I responded.
So I understand the theory of her (or someone) being a diversion, But calculated? Not very well I would say, as I've said before she hurts his image more than than the news of Jazmin (or her mother) which was a past mistake - Charlene makes it appear that he is still currently making the same mistake & hasn't grown in anyway. So in my opinion it only brings attention to "that OTHER area of his life...". I can't believe this is the best his PR could do?

I think it was you that mentioned something like why on earth didn't they get some attention on his trip to the pole? That was a very good post by the way! (I probably live down the street, in the same town, same industry as you, so maybe that's why we don't understand his PR people) I really don't like beating up on CW this way, but most of us seem to be referring to her actions she chooses to make public to capitalize on whatever attention she can manage to focus on herself. We've obliged her.

And Paca, your posts (as usual) are right on target. I so agree. I so wish he would find someone who could boost his self-esteem, that belly tells it all. Loved your comment on having to watch men make a 15 min project into a two hour ordeal....so true! It must be a universal thing with men, too funny.
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Old 06-11-2006, 08:02 PM
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I believe that if he would have been raised in a different society, his choice would have been different and a long time ago. Unfortunately, he has waited too long to get married, has been in a very permissive society in which he was having too much fun to want to get married. Now it is too late. He needs an heir. First of all, he should have never laid eyes on Charlene in the first place if his standards for a wife and princess were higher. She was too young and uneducated. Look at Princess María Teresa, Letizia, Mary, and Máxima. All college graduates, women with education and class. Maybe not Mette-Marit, but Prince Haakon is not 20 years older than her. Unless he polishes, educates, and trains Charlene to be Princess of Monaco, they are doomed. He should know better.
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Old 06-11-2006, 11:14 PM
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I just do not understand why people dig so deep into PA’s love life. PA has been a playboy most of his adulthood life and he is not going to change for anybody. CW is not his first “official companion” (cute title) and she will not be his last. She is just the new girlfriend at the moment. I have read so many posts/articles regarding this relationship progressing towards marriage but nothing official from PA or the palace.

CW stated in an interview, PA never promised her marriage. She regards him as her soul mate. I have not read anything “official” from him on his future plans with her. If someone has a recent article/interview of PA, please post.

Allegedly, CW is concerned of PA’s wandering behavior with women and her father advised her to give him his space and not become too clingy. If she is apprehensive of her relationship with PA, how could there possibly be a wedding in the works? IMO this shows she has no knowledge of PA’s future plans with her. Therefore, the journalists who write the speculative articles and the people who post on the threads have no clue to what is going on in this relationship.

The fact remains: they are dating and nothing more. Please be patient and see what happens.
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Old 06-12-2006, 05:58 PM
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Do you even have to ask after the developments over the last year?

PA has been the playboy who choses low class, loose women with no brains and the end result is ALWAYS the same... EMBARRASSMENT for himself and the country.

These starry eyed women like CW, NC TR, and 100 others end up using him, getting his money or their pictures in magazines and their 15 minutes of fame. The only thing now is this type of behavior is affecting the lives of little children.

You can say all you want how CW is his type... but the result will be the same: EMBARRASSMENT.
Lest we forget, PA makes his own decisions to be involved with these women. He does it of his own free will. Nobody forces him to go out with them, in fact, I'd bet there are plenty of people around him who may have some good advice that he could rely on and they could certainly help him find someone of a different mold than what's been trotted out as well... auh-hum...the 'type' of woman he seems to be attracted to.

Admittedly, lots of women throw themselves at him, but if I remember correctly, according to the reports with CW, NC and TR he picked them up (however he decided to do it). According to the reports, he's the one who initiated those interactions. Those women were/are with him willingly, but also at his free invitation...
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Old 06-12-2006, 06:08 PM
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I just took a read at the People mag article on PA. My impression is that it does a very good job of supporting the theory that he is either using CW to divert attention from the illegitamate children outing OR he is really going to marry her. But, there are no real sources named and at no time does People back itself into a corner or say anything that goes beyond minor speculation.

The only thing I did read, that I had not heard, was that Nicole is really angry about Jazmin having the Grimaldi name and Alexandre not having it. I guess she does not understand that Albert did not give it to her.

The article does sort of make a big deal of PA taking CW to public events but it fails to recongize that he has done this with many women in the past. I guess I just sort of think that if it were REALLY in the air, PACA might have at least heard it in the breeze......does not mean it won't happen but I really cannot quite swallow that idea that someone like PA (and I do not know him personally) but maybe anyone in their right mind, would let a few illegitmate kids drive them down the isle...Not like he hasn't seen scandal before....
<Removed off-topic comments-Mandy>

OK Back to CW:) Well, we'll just have to wait to see what happens with her and PA.

If Albert feels CW is the one he wants, then so be it. They can always polish her up and set her up to buy her some new clothes if they want to. If I were Charlene, I'd be trying to do that anyway because after all, MC is right in the south of France and France has Paris and Paris is a fashion capital!

I know I just couldn't bear to be so close to Paris and not shop for something fashionable!!! It's too delicious and I would just die if I couldn't go shop while there:p :p. I would absolutely have to find a scarf or a handbag, an outfit or a belt, some jewelry or shoes or something...

It'll make for interesting reading in the magazines and such to see all the spins that can be put on it no matter what happens, between Pa and his current interest Charlene, that's for sure!:p
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Old 06-12-2006, 08:12 PM
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Well, I still wonder what CW does to support herself. Does the South African swim team give the swimmers a stipend?
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Old 06-12-2006, 10:07 PM
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Old 06-13-2006, 10:41 AM
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If Albert feels CW is the one he wants, then so be it. They can always polish her up and set her up to buy her some new clothes if they want to. If I were Charlene, I'd be trying to do that anyway because after all, MC is right in the south of France and France has Paris and Paris is a fashion capital!
It's not what they can do on the outside that matters...it's what they can do on the inside. Anyone can look any part; it's how you behave in that part that matters. She is a pretty girl and she has a wonderful bearing and when cleaned up (i.e, no cigarettes, no tube tops), she is passable; however, my concern is for all of the charities that she will be the head of and finding her way once the wedding is over and the marriage begins should it go that route.
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Old 06-13-2006, 02:39 PM
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PA cannot attract a decent woman because he has really damaged his reputation so badly, and in doing so, he's hurt Monaco too. How could he not? Who wants to do business in a community that supports and is partially run by someone who is obviously more comfortable with an uneducated woman at his side? And he has a track record for it. It's not all cutting ribbons and photo ops for a princess. It takes savy to learn to control your own image, savy PA apparently does not have and cannot pass on to anyone. CW is just a really bad choice for marriage, IMO, but that does not mean they could not have a nice relationship. I'm not trying to dis Monaco, in a nutshell I just think they would be better off without CW.
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