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I agree Teense! Her body language says it all. I'm trying to get the People article. It just really sounds to me like they pieced it together. I'd like to know if their sources give their names in the article or does it sound like a compilation of the stuff we all have been reading from the European and South African tabloids (good ole grandma's infamous article).
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Smoking and wearing a tube- top and mini skirt during the daytime from an elegant Royal box shows her to be a daring woman.
IMO a timid person would not only dress but act accordingly. So far the pictures seem to show otherwise. Then, there are those who could say, well, these photo agencies only post the BAD ones of her. I don't think so. We have, since the Olympics seen a number of photos of her and they all give off a very, imo, tacky over the top image. Until now, the press on Charlene, albeit mostly tabloid has been VERY favorable to her and Prince Albert. Impending engagement, french lessons, etc.... So, it would follow that the agencies photographers would capture her in her best light so the pictures match the story, right? Maybe the reason we've only seen these imo over the top, non elegant, classless photos of her is because that is her personality (a picture is definitely worth a thousand words). Charlene is not someone imo I would view as timid as termed by People Magazine. But again, I'm just talking about photographs. We talk to the magazine a few times a week at my job, I'll see what I can find out on how they got the story --- can't promise though.
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Thank you Creativemind!!!!!
When I looked at the photos from the Olympic stands and the Maldives, a lot of words come to mind but not "timid".... If "People" got this wrong, maybe they are wrong about the other things too...:)
I don't know what situations she might have shown timidity but she will not be intellectual competition for Albert. He doesn't seem to like that. He wants to be the superior and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he married this 28-year-old eager princess-in-waiting. It doesn't mean I like it but that's the way the cards might fall into place.
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Old 06-10-2006, 06:11 PM
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Regarding Charlene: I think people assume that PA wants an educated, mature woman (something many posters believe Charlene is lacking). I believe he wants a woman who is less powerful than him. He wants to be the superior in the relationship. He wants to be the center of attention and the brains who runs Monaco. He doesn't want a woman to overpower him, imo. Charlene fits the bill. Even the People Magazine story states that "she seems a little bit timid, which is very much like him." Imo, he just wants a woman by his side to look like a beautiful trophy princess and not give him any trouble or conflict.
If you are right and he actually does marry her, then I think their marriage would not hold long or at least only as long as she admires him. I know a lot of men (possibly the majority) do need admiration (hence the obscurre need for us to be around as helps when they do a little handy work around, where our main purpose is to watch them do in 2 hrs what we could have done ourselves in 15 min. ), possibly to compensate their inferiority complexes. If a woman is gifted to do so, she has a high chance in a relationship with such a man. But in my experience in daily life within a relationships, you get to see a lot of things that aren't so admirable about your partner. And your admiration might dim a little, which he of course wouldn't understand, because he is still the same man, so why do you admire him less? If a relation is build on one partner needing admiration and the other needing to admire, then once this balance shifts, the relationship is pretty much doomed, unless both learn to change their patterns.

IMO what Albert really needs is someone to help him and support him and strengthen his self esteem. But that can not be done by stary eyed admiration. It needs a woman, who knows where se stands, who is strong and can help him pointing out his strength, but also helping him to recognize his weaknesses and trying to overcome them or accept them, without feeling bad about having them. To be able to this, she needs to be smart and loving. And I am sorry to say that IMO Charlene does not fit that bill.
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originally posted by Creative Minds I'd like to know if their sources give their names in the article or does it sound like a compilation of the stuff we all have been reading from the European and South African tabloids (good ole grandma's infamous article).
Creative Minds, People magazine quote the following sources in this order: I will write them as they put it:

one royal watcher
a woman from Monaco who has dated him
Royal observer Isabelle Rivere
Bruce McCormick, Cody Wyoming newspaper editor
a parent of one of Jazmine's former classmates
Friends say...(I guess of Albert's)
says a source...
says one observer..

At the bottom it says by Bob Meadows, Peter Mikelbank in Paris, Simon Perry in London, Champ Clark and Ken Lee in Palm Desert, Johnny Dodd in Los Angelas, Courtney Rubin in Turin and Nancy Wilson in Nice France.

Hope that helps.
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Old 06-10-2006, 06:20 PM
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I don't know what situations she might have shown timidity but she will not be intellectual competition for Albert. He doesn't seem to like that. He wants to be the superior and I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he married this 28-year-old eager princess-in-waiting. It doesn't mean I like it but that's the way the cards might fall into place.
Maybe some people interpreted her behaviour at the after Grand Prix party as being timid, though to me se was just a fish out of water. She didn't know how to be have with these people and probably isn't accustomed to wearing this kind of robes. Of course there are timid people over compensating by showing the exact opposite of a timid person, being out going, over the top, flirting with everyone and talking almost all the time. But I don't think that is the case here. She is showing Albert off like a prize she has won somewhere (it is not him showing her off, his behaviour would be different in that case). Let's see how long he likes to be Charlene's prize ox.
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Amen to all you just said Paca. I also believe a relationship needs to be reciprocal in some way -- not a mentor, mentee ( is that a word) -- admiration, in awe, look what I'm getting from you -- situation. I agree if they do marry, there are so many imbalances between them, it won't last.
A married folks out there -- once the physical wears off, you've gotta deal with reality and that other person. Yes, you can say well all Albert needs is an heir. Yes, he does, but, and maybe I'm dreaming, it would be nice that it happens with a well-adjusted woman who's got a good head on her shoulders, educated etc ...(fill in the blank here with your favorite qualities posters ) ... But has a strong sense of herself ... I'd hate to see the Grimaldis add to that already ahem, interesting gene pool of theirs. BREAK THE SPELL ALBERT, MARRY A WOMAN OF SUBSTANCE, PUUUUHHHLEEEEASE!

P.S. Maybe Charlene is Mother Teresa meets MENSA!!!!!! :)

(mensa is an organization for individuals with high intelligence)

P.P.S. That was an unfunny joke!
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Old 06-10-2006, 06:24 PM
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Creative Minds, People magazine quote the following sources in this order: I will write them as they put it:

one royal watcher
a woman from Monaco who has dated him
Royal observer Isabelle Rivere
Bruce McCormick, Cody Wyoming newspaper editor
a parent of one of Jazmine's former classmates
Friends say...(I guess of Albert's)
says a source...
says one observer..

At the bottom it says by Bob Meadows, Peter Mikelbank in Paris, Simon Perry in London, Champ Clark and Ken Lee in Palm Desert, Johnny Dodd in Los Angelas, Courtney Rubin in Turin and Nancy Wilson in Nice France.

Hope that helps.
Well that sounds like they have made a nice little compilation of what has been in the European tabloids. I think I need to get a few prescriptions from my doctor for a back therapy again, so that I can get some first hand information from one of Alberts (talkative) friends.
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Even if she's not "timid" (didn't know I'd cause a storm with that word), and she is in fact aggressive, classless, tacky, uneducated and talks too much to the press, Albert has her in his life and has brought her to Monaco. He thinks she is appropriate to be his "official companion" and have her accompany him to public events. I say this knowing he has done this with dozens of women in the past and so far, without an engagement ring, she is just like all the others. But he has overlooked any blabbing by her father and granny in South Africa and doesn't seem to think she lacks class, etc. She's his kind of gal.
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Creative Minds, People magazine quote the following sources in this order: I will write them as they put it:

one royal watcher
a woman from Monaco who has dated him
Royal observer Isabelle Rivere
Bruce McCormick, Cody Wyoming newspaper editor
a parent of one of Jazmine's former classmates
Friends say...(I guess of Albert's)
says a source...
says one observer..

At the bottom it says by Bob Meadows, Peter Mikelbank in Paris, Simon Perry in London, Champ Clark and Ken Lee in Palm Desert, Johnny Dodd in Los Angelas, Courtney Rubin in Turin and Nancy Wilson in Nice France.

Hope that helps.
Thanks!!!! Is the article online. I can't find it. I was looking specifically for the stuff about Charlene (I'm assuming Bruce McCormack is talking about the Jazmin angle). I just take issue with "says a source" -- who you're dog "says one observer" -- observer of what, photos in a tabloid magazine you just read. I'm being a smart-alek!!!


I'm not doubting these people exist. It's really a 50/50 split with me on this one.


In any event I'm just waiting for the official palace announcement. At the bottom, those sound like the correspondents OR stories written by correspondents that they got their information from.
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Old 06-10-2006, 06:36 PM
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Here, here to everything just said by Paca and Creative Minds. So true!

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originally posted by Laviolette
Regarding Charlene: I think people assume that PA wants an educated, mature woman (something many posters believe Charlene is lacking). I believe he wants a woman who is less powerful than him. He wants to be the superior in the relationship. He wants to be the center of attention and the brains who runs Monaco. He doesn't want a woman to overpower him, he just wants a woman by his side to look like a beautiful trophy princess and not give him any trouble or conflict.
As to the quote above here, imagine how different Monaco would look today if Prince Rainier would have chosen his wife on that basis? If PA choses CW based on that, it is not only sad for him but for all of Monaco.

I have said this before, "behind every great man, there is a great woman"
And this has been true all throughout History since the time of Ceaser.

Again, think of Kennedy, who had Jackie, Clinton, who had Hillary, Roosevelt, who had Eleanor... Rainier had Grace etc..

These men became great leaders in a great part because of the strong, educated, supporting women standing at their side, who could contribute to their success, let their men shine and make up for their weaknesses.

A relationship is two complete people. One should compliment the other.
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...IMO what Albert really needs is someone to help him and support him and strengthen his self esteem. But that can not be done by stary eyed admiration. It needs a woman, who knows where se stands, who is strong and can help him pointing out his strength, but also helping him to recognize his weaknesses and trying to overcome them or accept them, without feeling bad about having them. To be able to this, she needs to be smart and loving. And I am sorry to say that IMO Charlene does not fit that bill.
Sure he might need the kind of woman you are talking about but time and again that's not what he chooses. I have to conclude that that's not what he wants. He may not think he has weaknesses. Also, I think flashy women who enjoy attention and fame are not necessarily strong women.
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Here, here to everything just said by Paca and Creative Minds. So true!



As to the quote above here, imagine how different Monaco would look today if Prince Rainier would have chosen his wife on that basis? If PA choses CW based on that, it is not only sad for him but for all of Monaco.

I have said this before, "behind every great man, there is a great woman"
And this has been true all throughout History since the time of Ceaser.

Again, think of Kennedy, who had Jackie, Clinton, who had Hillary, Roosevelt, who had Eleanor... Rainier had Grace etc..

These men became great leaders in a great part because of the strong, educated, supporting women standing at their side, who could contribute to their success, let their men shine and make up for their weaknesses.

A relationship is two complete people. One should compliment the other.
Then why is Albert with Charlene? Why doesn't he dump her? Why? He could go out and find one of the women you're talking about. He could've years ago. Why hasn't he?
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Here, here to everything just said by Paca and Creative Minds. So true!



As to the quote above here, imagine how different Monaco would look today if Prince Rainier would have chosen his wife on that basis? If PA choses CW based on that, it is not only sad for him but for all of Monaco.

I have said this before, "behind every great man, there is a great woman"
And this has been true all throughout History since the time of Ceaser.

Again, think of Kennedy, who had Jackie, Clinton, who had Hillary, Roosevelt, who had Eleanor... Rainier had Grace etc..

These men became great leaders in a great part because of the strong, educated, supporting women standing at their side, who could contribute to their success, let their men shine and make up for their weaknesses.

A relationship is two complete people. One should compliment the other.
I completely agree with this. It SEEMS Prince Albert, over all these years, and the women he's dated -- including the mothers of his children (and only G_ _ knows how many others), he would have learned his lesson by now and said, hey, that kind of woman doesn't work for me - look at the outcome with that situation. It doesn't take a relationship expert to see his continual patterns. But for whatever reason he is where he is in terms of the kind of women he likes. I believe it's a reflection of how he feels inside about himself (the whole worthiness issue). Okay, I stop with my analysis, sorry I'm a licensed spiritual practitioner and work with clients outside of my regular work. He makes an interesting study. Anyways, I feel fallout from his past relationships with women and with this current one is just beginning and there's going to be much more controversy and issues -- compounded if he marries Charlene. Prince Albert's past is catching up to him now. He can forget discreet because the public and the press are onto him. Notice how no one, including his cousin John on the Kelly's side has come out to defend him like he did on Larry King after the Alexandre revelations came out. On that show even a "college friend" called in to defend him. He's been outed, so to speak. Fair or not, it comes with the territory of ruling a principality and being a billionaire. He's gonna be watched and with so much power, imo should be responsible and to some degree held accountable.

Read about the Law of Mental Equivalents --- it's a theory by Emmet Foxx (you can probably get a definition online.) It has nothing to do with karma but bascially if you walk around hateful, then you attract that into your life; if you feel inadequate and unworthy, those are the kind of people you bring into your life; if you live your life from a loving, caring, giving place, that is what you attract in your life; if you live your life sleeping around with women, hurting some by your attitude (when I'm done with you I toss you aside, thereby taking advantage); impregnating others and not being responsible when you are in a position of power, it can and will come back to you (and please, as for the pregnancy comment I'm not putting that all on Prince Albert). I think we are all bascially good at our core and I believe that to be true about Prince Albert. Although we all make our own decisions in life, I also believe our family, friends, peers and social standing etc influence our decision making and actions (called subjective consensus OR race consciousness -- has nothing to do with race like black, white etc) and Albert's been a product of his environment. BUT we are not bound by precedent. We have the power to make changes in our lives, if we are willing and cognizant. Prince Albert has had more means and time than anybody to take care of business and become responsible -- you know heal certain areas of his life, maybe things that went on that none of us have any idea about growing up as the heir apparent. I truly hope he does because imo the path he is on is not going to get any better until he has that 'ah ha' moment as we call it and gets responsible. If he marries Charlene, I think it would be a disaster, but maybe at the same time give him the kick in the seat of the pants he obviously needs.


The stuff unfolding for him actually makes me sad and I really would like to see him get it together!!!!!
I'm done, my fingers are about to fall off!
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Then why is Albert with Charlene? Why doesn't he dump her? Why? He could go out and find one of the women you're talking about. He could've years ago. Why hasn't he?
Do you even have to ask after the developments over the last year?

PA has been the playboy who choses low class, loose women with no brains and the end result is ALWAYS the same... EMBARRASSMENT for himself and the country.

These starry eyed women like CW, NC TR, and 100 others end up using him, getting his money or their pictures in magazines and their 15 minutes of fame. The only thing now is this type of behavior is affecting the lives of little children.

You can say all you want how CW is his type... but the result will be the same: EMBARRASSMENT.
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Do you even have to ask after the developments over the last year?

PA has been the playboy who choses low class, loose women with no brains and the end result is ALWAYS the same... EMBARRASSMENT for himself and the country.

These starry eyed women like CW, NC TR, and 100 others end up using him, getting his money or their pictures in magazines and their 15 minutes of fame. The only thing now is this type of behavior is affecting the lives of little children.

You can say all you want how CW is his type... but the result will be the same: EMBARRASSMENT.
I agree with you WindsorIII but Albert has to come to that point in his life and at 48 it doesn't seem likely. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news and the realist here but what can anybody do? The man who guarded the gate to the palace from the "type" of women Albert dates, and no doubt likes, is no longer around.
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Creativemind...I like your ideas.

I think Prince Albert feels like the world just won't accept him as he is, at his level of comfort. I believe he liked and felt or feels very comfortable with the women he has been with in the past and present. I believe, he sees nothing wrong with any of these women, he hides them because public opinion is always so negative. Its really kind of sad. It would be nice if he could settle down with CW, if he really likes her and they can be happy together.
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I agree with you WindsorIII but Albert has to come to that point in his life and at 48 it doesn't seem likely. I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news and the realist here but what can anybody do? The man who guarded the gate to the palace from the "type" of women Albert dates, and no doubt likes, is no longer around.
Yes, its a shame. I think its sad that PA doesn't have any good, close friends that look out for his well being. Friends that could sit him down and tell him the straight up honest to god truth.

I've read that his group of friends is just a rowdy group of middle aged men both single and divorced who encourage this behavior and use the fact that he is Prince of Monaco to attract women to themselves. Yes the same type of loose women.

And the other side, I think most other people would never be honest with him, they would just kiss his butt and tell him what he wants to hear because he is the Prince.

Paca does he have any close, respectable friends who can guide him? And if he does could you go find and talk to that person and tell him to help his friend before he makes the biggest mistake of his life. (or let me rephrase: another big mistake in his life)
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Thanks!!!! Is the article online. I can't find it. I was looking specifically for the stuff about Charlene (I'm assuming Bruce McCormack is talking about the Jazmin angle). I just take issue with "says a source" -- who you're dog "says one observer" -- observer of what, photos in a tabloid magazine you just read. I'm being a smart-alek!!!


I'm not doubting these people exist. It's really a 50/50 split with me on this one.


In any event I'm just waiting for the official palace announcement. At the bottom, those sound like the correspondents OR stories written by correspondents that they got their information from.
People Magazine articles tend to be online a week after the issue hits the stands -- in time for the new issue to come out. Now the article itself, in my interpretation, never says Albert is in love with Charlene or that they will marry. It simply quotes Isabelle Rivere, a journalist, and various "friends" and "sources" who speculate based on their observations and what they've been told of what might happen in the future. It's very balanced I should add and it doesn't try to convince the reader of anything. Still, Albert is with Charlene and that is a plain and simple fact.

People Magazine link: http://people.aol.com/people/
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People Magazine articles tend to be online a week after the issue hits the stands -- in time for the new issue to come out. Now the article itself, in my interpretation, never says Albert is in love with Charlene or that they will marry. It simply quotes Isabelle Rivere, a journalist, and various "friends" and "sources" who speculate based on their observations and what they've been told of what might happen in the future. It's very balanced I should add and it doesn't try to convince the reader of anything. Still, Albert is with Charlene and that is a plain and simple fact.

People Magazine link: http://people.aol.com/people/
Thanks I checked the same site but my bleary eyes missed it.

On an unrelated note ---
Paca if you're around, do you mind sharing your knowledge of the words OFFICIAL COMPANION especially as a local. You defined it before (can't say who what when where how why) and I think it adds some terrific insight into things. I haven't seen it posted here. I'll just says words take on different meanings, connotations in different cultures, languages. But I'll leave Paca to define it because I don't want to butcher it!!!!!
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