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Old 06-06-2006, 06:09 PM
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I agree----- the picture of her hanging off the royal balcony/box in the tube- top mini dress with the cigarette hanging out of her mouth was appalling.
How can anyone portray her as "Sweet"? after that photo?
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Old 06-06-2006, 07:06 PM
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He hooks up with the same women over and over and expects a different result. It is not so much Charlene as it is Albert. She contributes to his image as the shallow, promiscuous playboy that too many people have of him. It's why his two out-of-wedlock children hurt his reputation so much. Her comments to the press in the past few months and five years ago should be a big red flag yet he doesn't heed the warning clearly in front of him.

In my opinion he behaves like the classic liberal man who thinks he can behave the way he wants in his private life, however disreputable with women, but doesn't think it should reflect on his public role even as head-of-state, or that it should reflect on his character when in fact it does. Public behavior and private behavior are equally important.
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Old 06-06-2006, 07:19 PM
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She really hurts his image. He must have very low self-esteem to date these women or he falls so hard he is in denial about them until it's too late!

Perhaps the real strategy is Grace had raised the bar so high...now CW has certainly lowered it - mission accomplished! Sorry for such a long, long, post. I was on a roll
Very well said.
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Old 06-06-2006, 11:08 PM
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I posted this on the PA current events thread but it probably belongs here...

That article about women swamping Monoco looking for a paturnity test is absolutley lhilarious....I've come accross a few people on line who claim to have had one nighters with Albert. They really have no reason to lie but what are the chances....He also got some very bad press last night on Bill OReily. Robin Leach pretty much said he'd worked his way through the models in LA, New York, and "especially" Paris. I think the Charlene "annoucnement" is weak and almost insulting. "Offical companion" What the he.. is that? What's her job? Anyone?
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Old 06-08-2006, 08:06 AM
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In this week's Bunte Mr. Wittstock, CW's father talks about how CW feels about the announcment of Jasmine and Alex.

He says CW doesn't care about PA's past and that all she wants is to be the ONLY woman in Prince Albert's life.

Here's the link:
http://bunte.t-online.de/c/81/26/06/8126062.html

Here's the english translation of this part of the story: (not very good but here)
Charlenes father: "Albert's Vorleben it does not interest" in the meantime Albert its daughter Jazmin recognized, like also its son Alexandre. Albert's new friend Charlene to feel impossible? Did it omit to be jealous on its children from earlier affairs, particularly Albert little on its erotischen way to it? Charlenes father Michael Wittstock (58) believes that its daughter will master the situation. He said too MULTICOLORED ONE: "the past of Albert does not interest my daughter. It wants only that she is now the only woman in its life. She loves children and everything for the fact will do that all humans are lucky in their surrounding field. Albert such as Charlene are family people." Then nothing more might probably stand to a lucky future in the way - even even if itself Albert still to Daniel, which newest candidate on its paternity, admit should.
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Old 06-08-2006, 08:16 AM
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In this week's Bunte Mr. Wittstock, CW's father talks about how CW feels about the announcment of Jasmine and Alex.

He says CW doesn't care about PA's past and that all she wants is to be the ONLY woman in Prince Albert's life.
Looks like they are having some doubts about her being/staying the only woman in his life too. Funny how they are lowering the bar in their announcements now. Winds of change? He sounded much more confident a few weeks ago.
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Old 06-08-2006, 09:05 AM
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So she's not the only woman in his life right now and she knows it? That's what I get out of it. So much for being "soul mates".
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Old 06-08-2006, 09:09 AM
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So she's not the only woman in his life right now and she knows it? That's what I get out of it. So much for being "soul mates".
maybe PA has several souls to mate with ?
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Old 06-08-2006, 09:27 AM
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I actually feel sorry for CW now. Does she realize how foolish and desperate her and her family look? Why? All because they are dying for her to become a princess. Where do you draw the line?

I mean, the palace says she’s not getting the ring, but has the title “official companion” which to me sounds like she’s on the palace payroll.

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Then her family makes comments about what a family man PA is. What are they basing this on? When the only examples we have of PA’s family of his own is the abandonment of 2 children.

I know she’s a bit of an empty head in the brains department, but I wish she would have some dignity or self esteem. Can the allure of the public attention and celebrity be that strong?

This is even more why I don’t approve of her at all. No class or dignity, just desperation. Come on girl, wake up.
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Old 06-08-2006, 09:31 AM
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I better not go there I really don't want to get banned...

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I think Charlene's Father is trying to make the best out of a bad situation. It would be best if they were all silent for a while, but I don't think that will happen.

And, it wouldn't be very entertaining for of us either
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Old 06-08-2006, 10:02 AM
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Looks like they are having some doubts about her being/staying the only woman in his life too. Funny how they are lowering the bar in their announcements now. Winds of change? He sounded much more confident a few weeks ago.
I have to agree with paca on this. Charlene and her family seem to be circling the wagons right now and it sounds like Papa Wittstock is trying to force Albert's hand to make it seem that all she cares about is him but in reality it sounds a little desparate. It has to be bothering Charlene that suddenly all of these children are coming out for recognition and these "news" stories are somewhat eclipsing their relationship and impending wedding talk.

I also agree with Laura Elizabeth in that la famille Wittstock won't be content to sit on the sidelines particularly now that she's being called the "official companion." It doesn't sound like a step on the way to marriage; granted, I'm sure Albert can't "date" like everyone else but to me it seems like a dressier way of saying she's not Miss Right but Miss Right Now.
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Old 06-08-2006, 10:15 AM
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Paca -- have you ever heard the palace refer to one of Albert's women as "official companion". If so, any particular "definition" from the palace of what it means? Just looking for some kind of "official" word on what it "officially" means.
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Old 06-08-2006, 10:39 AM
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Here is another quote from this weeks BUNTE Nr. 24 - translated with Google:

Heiko Engelkes, 73, ARD-correspondent, reciever of the monagasque Order of culture:

Question:

Is the south-african swimmer the right one for Albert?

Answer:

"Absolutly! Charlene is very intelligent. .... They know each other for 6 years, she never clinged to him. Now he presented her twice, at the olympic games and in Monaco. Take a look, he wants to say it to the whole world, she is the new princess."
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Old 06-08-2006, 11:41 AM
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When I saw the picture of her hanging off the balcony with the cigarette hanging out of her mouth. I couldn't stop laughing. "the new face of Monaco" or " you can dress them up... but you can't take them out" or maybe "a picture's worth a thousand words" in that case you only needed one....Cheap. She really looked out of place, it's really just common sense if you are accompaning the sovereign of a nation that is going to be wearing a suit or jacket & tie, you might try to dress accordingly.
Do you have a link to the photograph?
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Old 06-08-2006, 05:37 PM
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maybe PA has several souls to mate with ?
Ha...great play on the word...

Well, I think it's quite obvious that PA and CW are intimately involved (aka: sleeping together) Which is fine, they are both consenting adults. But it's just embarrassing to have stories spreading about PA with other women and her chatting on about "soul mates".
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Old 06-08-2006, 06:06 PM
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Looks like they are having some doubts about her being/staying the only woman in his life too. Funny how they are lowering the bar in their announcements now. Winds of change? He sounded much more confident a few weeks ago.
Her father should not meddle in Charlene's personal business. It is not to him to telegraph his feelings (or whatever he thinks Charlene's thinking) in the press. CW has seemed to be content being Albert's 'companion' and they knew about Albert from the beginning, they know his age and everything else. This family is not unlike anyone else trying to grab onto Albert for fame, money, prestige, and so forth. I'm sure CW father desperately wants to have her marry into the MC royal family, regardless what PA does.
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Old 06-08-2006, 06:07 PM
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Ha...great play on the word...

Well, I think it's quite obvious that PA and CW are intimately involved (aka: sleeping together) Which is fine, they are both consenting adults. But it's just embarrassing to have stories spreading about PA with other women and her chatting on about "soul mates".
Whether or not these stories are substantiated is another matter but I think it goes to show that CW is reading more into the relationship than there is. However, Point de Vue tends to run stories that are more or less spoon fed to them by the Palace or publicists which is why they split their cover story between JGR and CW. But it apparently is one of the only favorable stories about CW lately. Maybe I'm projecting here but I get the impression that Charlene is to Albert what Pascal was to Rainier...the one before THE ONE. Maybe all of the criticism and the child revelations will force Albert to do what his father did and choose not only with his heart (or other) but with his brain.
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Old 06-08-2006, 06:10 PM
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I actually feel sorry for CW now.... I know she’s a bit of an empty head in the brains department, but I wish she would have some dignity or self esteem. Can the allure of the public attention and celebrity be that strong?....
Yes --- especially when someone is starry eyed, has no other significant prospects (especially of the royal kind) and has a dream of being a 'princess' or of marrying into a royal family and never having to worry for material things again. People are greedy.

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In all honesty, a young girl with no education or future plans would probably not mind being taken on luxury vacations on yachts to the Maldives and wined and dined in Paris and Monaco. I'm sure it has been very exciting for her, so whether or not she was "in on it" I'm sure she got a lot out of it. I am also inclined to think that the CW affair was a way to keep the world fixated on their "relationship" while the paternity issue of JGG was being decided as well as how to break the news to the press.
I agree totally. CW needs prospects and she is an adult, after all. I suspect she will not go 'empty handed', although she may not end up getting the big prize. But only time will tell.

CW is there willingly; of her own free will. Albert is certainly not forcing her to do anything, she is being intimate with PA because that is what she wants to do. He is not forcing anything onto her. Of course, I suspect she (and her family) hopes to land a husband like him -- just like NC hoped. IMO, CW is not unlike any of the other 'companions' he has had in the past (possibly).

She is going around with Albert because it is her own free choice to do so, and it seems to be coming clear (at least to me) she wants to stay and become the princess of MC.

Well, we will all have to wait to see how long she can hang on to him and if she really can handle his propensity for 'non-commitment'. She may not be cling-y, according to her father, but she is almost 30 years old. She seems to be laying aside her swimming goals -- again of her own free will. What happened to her going to compete? Is she so caught up in his world by now that she cannot see anything else? If so, Albert is not making her do that. I could imagine it would be easy not to want to go back to being regular CW, having to deal with regular people struggles and issues, especially after hanging around with Albert and him taking her these places. But if she is setting aside what she said she would be doing, she would be doing it because she wants to, no other reason. She's making those choices.

How long will she wait around for Albert to commit to her? She is doing all those things because she wants to do it. She chooses to be there accompanying PA and everything else. PA is not making her to do anything. If she did not want to, she knows how to open her mouth and say no. She wants to go to the parties and the events and sit in the royal box and talk to the press and meet Albert's friends and acquaintences and everything else. And if her family comes across as trying to intervene (begging, imo) on her behalf with Albert on the commitment issue, what does that tell you?

I'm sure if PA were not a prince or really rich, CW father would not be saying how lucky she is and he probably advise her to send the guy packing. If Albert were just a regular fellow, his age and his past would probably matter a whole lot to those Wittstocks.
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Old 06-08-2006, 06:45 PM
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Maybe I'm projecting here but I get the impression that Charlene is to Albert what Pascal was to Rainier...the one before THE ONE. Maybe all of the criticism and the child revelations will force Albert to do what his father did and choose not only with his heart (or other) but with his brain.
I think it should read the one before the one before the one.....before THE ONE. And that ONE should be the one chosen by the trinity only then I believe a marriage might last.

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People are greedy
A lot of people, yes. A lot of people surrounding PA, absolutely. But not all people. So he might have to move out of his regular fishing pond and look in places he has never looked before (although there are probabably not many left and he always seems to be leaving a little sth behind ).

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She is there is her own free choice, and it seems to be coming clear (at least to me) she wants to stay and become the princess of MC.
Oh it is crystal clear that she wants to stay. She made a point of that from her first appearance. The question is just: does he want her to?
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Old 06-08-2006, 07:45 PM
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Oh it is crystal clear that she wants to stay. She made a point of that from her first appearance. The question is just: does he want her to?
I totally agree 1000%, paca. for now, PA seems to be enjoying himself at the moment and CW does too, but she may try to press her expectations, if she has any.

And with her family probably whispering in her ear about how to not be 'cling-y' and whatever else, who knows.



only time will tell.
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