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Old 03-22-2006, 04:38 PM
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This looks like it was March 12th...still wonder why no one else jumped on it... I stand corrected...
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Old 03-22-2006, 05:27 PM
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I really think all this is just gossip and you can't believe everything you read. As for her education just because she does't have a college degree doesn't mean she's is stupid. At no age do you stop learning and sometimes you learn more from life than any book can teach you. There are a lot of people with book smarts and no common sense.
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The pictures from the Bunte article show that Charlene sure has fun jerking PA around!
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A formal education is Very important. By this I mean a college, four year degree from a university. I sited in an earlier post a certain British royal who showed up at a party in a Nazi uniform. He either wasn't listening that day in class or completely fails to understand the social, economic, humanitarian, and political global impact of WWII. This was a complete embarrassment for the entire Britsh royal family. With their resources, they should be able to raise a kid with a broader concept of the world. It's about a level of exposure unavailable outside of a academic setting. Another more common example would be listening to someone at a cocktail party and realizing they are using words, and they don't reallly know what they mean. You know, like big words with complex meanings. These people just come off looking stupid. Paris Hilton has recently been quoted in the press making these kinds of errors. I think the most important reason for a formal education is so one has the ability to carry an intellectual conversation without grasping for ideas, a skill that can only come from reading a lot, followed by academic debate.

Education is the greatest social divider that exhists. CW will immediately be cast into a lesser role because she lacks a formal education. Does that mean she's less important or dumb? No not at all, but to dismiss the importance of education publically, in her interview, shows a lack of understanding about how important and prevalent this divide is.

I've read some things that seems VERY anti CW, including opnions that are just rash but she was not really presented to the public in a respectable way. Not only her actions but also the things she said. It's also quite obvious they are just sort of hopping around from hotel room to hotel room. Which is their right but not such a smart PR move. And anyone who wants to argue that they are not sleeping is complelety off their rocker.
Formal education isn't important to be Albert's wife and mother of his children. If anyone can talk with him and he has no problems with her then she will learn what is necessary as I have and Princess Diana did who had no formal education. Her problem wasn't her lack of education as someone said. If Albert falls in love with a woman wants her to be his wife there are enough people to teach and train her in all area's even as Grace had to learn new things when she married Rainier. Only another Royal or raised to be the wife of one would be able to walk right in and fit completely. According to what I heard Diana had to be taught how to dress, descend a stair case, etc., and she was born with a title.

Give Charlene a break none of you know anything about her really. You know what? She was on a date with him and sat on his lap. Big deal so its not something you would likely find me doing unless I was drunk. Anyone ever consider she might not have even thought about who he was but thought she was just with another boyfriend and was being affectionate and playful with him? I hear with Albert its hard to forget he is a Prince and head of State since he is a regular sort of guy and treats all the same no matter what your social class.

Albert is now on his own no one can tell him what he can't do. In many ways he is like a teenager in his first relationship. He wasn't allowed to take dates when he first began attending those events in Monaco. He felt that was part of what caused the talk he was gay. Look at it this way he is fully out of the closet NOT gay and with females. I had photo's of him kissing woman, etc., but didn't post them nor were they ever posted in the Forum. At least she is not yet topless in the photo's as other woman who have been photographed with him.

PS you can still send me PM's if you want its our opinions here. I know things are not always as they appear :p
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Old 03-22-2006, 08:46 PM
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No, she does not need a formal education to be Alberts wife. I never said anything like that. If all she has to do is decend a staircase, walk straight, birth babies, and take a good photo, she's in the clear. What I was trying to say and point out is that lacking a formal education increases the chances of a foot in the mouth, an innappropriate comment, a misunderstanding. I've seen it happen on public levels to officials and even just at parties.

Diana was in some ways the worst thing that ever happend to the British royal family. In others she was great, but I think her impact on Charles' legacy will be negative and profound. Largely because of Charles's own actions but I contend, an educated woman or even a smarter woman, would have found a way to take care of Camilla and hang on to the crown. Silence was her greatest asset, instead of using it, she went to the press and closed a door she could have left open.

Oh, and she wasn't sitting on his lap, they were in the bleachers and she was laying between his legs.
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I may have missed this, but could Prince Albert be waiting for the one year mourning period to pass before he annouces his engagement?
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No, she does not need a formal education to be Alberts wife. I never said anything like that. If all she has to do is decend a staircase, walk straight, birth babies, and take a good photo, she's in the clear. What I was trying to say and point out is that lacking a formal education increases the chances of a foot in the mouth, an innappropriate comment, a misunderstanding. I've seen it happen on public levels to officials and even just at parties.

Diana was in some ways the worst thing that ever happend to the British royal family. In others she was great, but I think her impact on Charles' legacy will be negative and profound. Largely because of Charles's own actions but I contend, an educated woman or even a smarter woman, would have found a way to take care of Camilla and hang on to the crown. Silence was her greatest asset, instead of using it, she went to the press and closed a door she could have left open.

Oh, and she wasn't sitting on his lap, they were in the bleachers and she was laying between his legs.
I think what leah is trying to say is that while a formal degree isn't necessary there are certain "rough edges" (for lack of a better term) that higher education seems to smooth out. From the American liberal arts point of view, your Bachelor's degree is not so much about learning a particular subject, but acquiring a breadth of knowledge and learning how to think. While there are some geniuses in the world who would starve to death with a loaf of bread tucked under his/her arm (I live near MIT so I know of what I speak), there is something to be said about having a broader perspective of the world and intellectual curiosity.

Now back on topic...I think in many instances, Diana was bored with her position, and like leah, I can see that happening to CW. Diana had to be interested in something in order to be curious or passionate about it; things had to be done on her own terms. Unfortunately, the British Royal Family didn't realize how to harness that strength to their benefit. Since they all just followed orders, they expected Diana to follow suit. I see the same thing happening to CW: she admitted that she channeled all of her energies into swimming and couldn't be bothered with the rest. While Albert may be able to overlook that in his sisters' public roles, I don't think he will be able to do so with his wife. As the Princess of Monaco, his wife will have to assume many of the roles that Caroline is currently filling. Grace knew about much of the details about charity work (and believe me, it's not all about planning parties) from her parents' civic and charitable involvement. Not only that she will have to accompany her husband on official visits that require serious preparation and attention and the faking of interest. Once the novelty wears off...things could be difficult.

I am not trying to say that I know this person from what little has been written about her or from her few public statements. It's just my interpretation of her few public actions and statements as compared to what I believe the role of a wife of a sovereign prince is. If CW is serious about this, it's going to involve taking on a whole new mind set where her own ambitions and desires come in third place behind those of her husband and children, and duties to her adopted country.
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Old 03-22-2006, 10:01 PM
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I may have missed this, but could Prince Albert be waiting for the one year mourning period to pass before he annouces his engagement?
I'm sure nothing will happen prior to April 6th...
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Old 03-22-2006, 11:38 PM
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According to Bunte...
6. Because Charlene is anglican she'll have to convert to the Catholic religion... This may explain also the private visit that A had with Prince Charles a week ago, since the Queen is the head of the Anglican Church they need her release for her to convert.
I'm not sure if this is a direct Bunte quote or not. If it is from Bunte it shows they have a very poor understanding of the Queen's role in the Anglican Church. There is no such thing as a "release" to convert from Anglicanism, nor would Queen Elizabeth become involved in such private matters (unless it was a member of her family).
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Old 03-23-2006, 12:45 AM
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What I posted was another's translation from German to English. The entire article (a jpg) is attached farther up the page. If someone would care to translate the whole thing, perhaps it has a different context overall.

That said, it is true that in converting from Episcopalean to Catholicism, no one's permission is required other than that of the person doing the converting.

Converting Catholics generally undergo RCIA-Rite of Christian Initiation for Adults. A priest counsels and teaches converts the Catholic rules and ceremonies and prayers and such. The priest could recommend a person continue study longer than the traditional six months (typical for my area, perhaps not standard everywhere) but they can't refuse or deny a convert and they certainly don't ask permission of another religious head first!

This is where Bunte goes wrong. They used some correct facts about what would be done for Charlene should she be to become Albert's wife (including names and positions) but mixed it will some out-and-out horse puckey. But then slim half-truths don't fill pages.

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Old 03-23-2006, 04:01 AM
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Formal education isn't important to be Albert's wife and mother of his children. If anyone can talk with him and he has no problems with her then she will learn what is necessary as I have and Princess Diana did who had no formal education. Her problem wasn't her lack of education as someone said. If Albert falls in love with a woman wants her to be his wife there are enough people to teach and train her in all area's even as Grace had to learn new things when she married Rainier. Only another Royal or raised to be the wife of one would be able to walk right in and fit completely. According to what I heard Diana had to be taught how to dress, descend a stair case, etc., and she was born with a title.
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Give Charlene a break none of you know anything about her really. You know what? She was on a date with him and sat on his lap. Big deal so its not something you would likely find me doing unless I was drunk. Anyone ever consider she might not have even thought about who he was but thought she was just with another boyfriend and was being affectionate and playful with him? I hear with Albert its hard to forget he is a Prince and head of State since he is a regular sort of guy and treats all the same no matter what your social class.

Albert is now on his own no one can tell him what he can't do. In many ways he is like a teenager in his first relationship. He wasn't allowed to take dates when he first began attending those events in Monaco. He felt that was part of what caused the talk he was gay. Look at it this way he is fully out of the closet NOT gay and with females. I had photo's of him kissing woman, etc., but didn't post them nor were they ever posted in the Forum. At least she is not yet topless in the photo's as other woman who have been photographed with him. :p
Why would we compare her to Diana. Diana was only 19 when they married, I think only 18 when they were dating. Charles was around 29 or 30, a ten year age difference, which I think probably had something to do with the failure of their marriage, he seemed to complain that she acted like a school girl - she was. Did anyone think they looked like they had anything in common when they walked down the aisle? She later grew into her role around the age of 30. Albert is a 48 yr old man dating a 27/28? yr old girl that seems to lack more than poise for her age. She shouldn't have to be taught how to behave & have some grace. I think maybe she could take a lesson from Albert's 18 yr old niece. Anway, the 20 yr age difference does not make him seem a very modern Prince to me. I mean it is 2006.

I think you mentioned you didn't see the pictures? Maybe you would understand others opinions if you took a look at them. Candid photos are fine, it's that everytime she seemed to be aware of the camera, she hung on him like a cheap suit. I didn't see him act the same towards her. That's what people don't like about her, that & her comments to the press. I don't know anyone who would act like that dating any public person & I live in a town where Paris Hilton exist (who doesn't seem to date anyone who lives in town). There is a reason the Phrase "you'll never do lunch in this town again" was coined here. You talk you walk, L.A. is a one industry town & everyone knows everyone. Also, when John Kennedy Jr was dating Caroline - Can you imagine Caroline or any of his girlfriends acting like Charlene? And protocol is not what we are talking about here when we are referring on knowing how to act.

Grace Kelly was an Oscar winning actress & at 26 she knew how to carry herself but she did have the advantage of being in the public eye & dealing with the press & more importantly how not to! Even though it might be preferable I agree with you about the formal education, Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Barry Diller, just to name a few of many who do not have a formal education degree. But her comments about education made her seem uneducated in any way. We would just like to see her act like an adult.

The thing about Albert being like a teenager in his first serious relationship, that's kind of what worries me. I hope he doesn't jump in too quick because of that &/or feel pressured to marry now that his position has changed. The others seemed more like friends/lovers situation - he's a grown man he had to manage some type of relationship, so really I have sympathized with him. But he can't complain about how the women he dates trap him, when he chooses to involve himself in relationships with these kind of women. I think I just wished he would be more discriminating about their intigrity instead of their looks & I think that is what bothers us about Charlene? If it's serious I hope she really loves him because he has waited a long time for it.

I would be interested on anyones opinion on what looked a little like a photo shoot (not the long lens) but the picture that includes Charlene (really posing) in a Monaco colored red & white more formal looking dress (not what you usually bring to the Maldives) & kwith what looked like a prof. photogapher. I think her waving Monaco colors seem a bit premature untill she has a ring on her finger otherwise it's just cheesy. Probably not her idea - I think the photos might be planned & with purpose. Maybe they plan on using them for something at a later date? It just looks like they're pimping her out to the public which doesn't help her in an already tough position no matter what the relationship is.

Anyway, nice chatting with you all! & sorry for such a long post.
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I was wondering from our European friends--
Has there been any public opinion towards Charlene in the press?? Are there any other people who have expressed concerns?
Was the picture with CWs head between PAs legs (In the viewing bleachers at the Olympic games) published in Europe?
The US doesn't cover the stories (They won't even show a wedding if it happens--just a mention on evening/morning news..)
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I was wondering from our European friends--
Has there been any public opinion towards Charlene in the press?? Are there any other people who have expressed concerns?
Was the picture with CWs head between PAs legs (In the viewing bleachers at the Olympic games) published in Europe?
The US doesn't cover the stories (They won't even show a wedding if it happens--just a mention on evening/morning news..)
Thank you!
There'a much coverage...and it's mainly positive towards her...
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Well here is the article, I marked the part that was translated before. It's in german and it's the issue from last Thursday - BUNTE
The same pics appeared in last week's "OGGI".:)
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I would think it would be positive other than being a non college grad and maybe a little too affectionate, what is there to say. If albert is happy and she is happy I wish them well and much luck.
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