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Old 03-27-2006, 07:27 PM
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I think I read that the Prince can control the magazines sold in Monaco(he can stop the sale of an unflattering issue)--Is this true??
This would be nice because it would protect the children of Monaco from seeing PA and the possible new Princess in graphic photos. (The children would see the skills CW developed while ignoring her education...)
I truly hope that a video doesn't surface--- "Serene Charlene does Monaco"--that would be hard to suppress over the internet...
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Old 03-27-2006, 08:02 PM
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someone needs to tell Charlene men dont usually buy the cow if they have already had the steak....after 3 months he will be tired of her and ready to move on to the next woman....

this makes me sad!!
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Old 03-27-2006, 09:42 PM
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II think that MD simply critized PAs behaviour (possibly not directly towards PA, but walls have ears here, so I am sure his opinion was known) and that was not taken well. I suppose PA insisted that he could do with his private life whatever he pleases and some of his advisors do not share this opinion (as many on this board) if it harms MC. Also the underlining of his good relations to PA seems to state the opposite (as it often does in politics).

As to showing her in a positive light, I think PA has missed that chance ad would be well advised not to show her for quite some time and keep his private matters private. Mainly for his own sake because he is doing severe damage to himself at present.
(Since much of this has to to with PA's leadership style, I'll repost there as well.)

I have to say I agree with Paca's interpretation. M. Deslandes is obviously the consumate politician and diplomat so his remarks can be interpreted on many different levels. I would have liked to see the article in French because I'm sure M. Deslandes chose his words carefully and I bet his choices were fraught with meaning. I have to wonder, however, if his remarks and his resignation could be taken b/c there are preps going on vis-a-vis CW? He is obviously very critical of PA's spectacle at the Olympics and with his two+ week stay in Italy and then within the month the rendez-vous in The Maldives with the trip to Switzerland and London in between. Now PA plans to be gone for most of April in either the Arctic or in South Africa; probably feels that M. Allavena is running MC, not PA.

As for his remarks regarding education, that may be directed toward not only CW but also many of PA's other gf's and friends. There seems to be a preponderance of actresses, celebutantes, rock stars, etc. and not what he believes are suitable influences (of the romantic type and otherwise). PA did mention in his July speech that he did want to focus more on higher ed and perhaps expand programs for visiting students from abroad. (I would have welcomed that in college -- let's face it, Paris in January is cold, damp, and miserable.) M. Deslandes probably feels that you have to have a certain sense of history in order to be truly forward looking -- as it is often said (I forget by whom -- I believe Churchill), those who ignore the past are destined to repeat it. He probably views many of the people in PA's circle as only caring about the moment.

I don't think he much likes Albert's management style as well. I wouldn't have thought that Rainier would have a more open management style, but apparently he did. Several presidents use the model where cabinet members are channeled through the chief of staff and rarely have face time with the president. There are pros and cons to this -- it allows for the chief executive to have information sorted through a trusted confidant so he can have pertinent information and make decisions more readily or it can let the chief of staff set the agenda and only let through what information he/she wants the chief executive to act upon. The latter format would allow the rumors to surface -- no one knows what is going on and wild speculation emerges. This could be the case particularly if PA is guarding his privacy and therefore is trying to shield himself from too many influences.

I liked the part where M. Deslandes talked about MC becoming a center for humanitarian causes. The arts and many humanitarian causes have flourished under Grace's, and now Caroline's care, but he sees an unfulfilled destiny. MC is a wealthy, small, neutral nation -- the influence it could wield on certain world affairs could be quite potent. A society will much longer be remembered for the benefits and largesse toward others. U.S. history is littered with shameful incidents, but I like to think that the work Eleanor Roosevelt did with the Committee on Human Rights and the Marshall Plan were part of our finest hour. I think M. Deslandes feels that Monaco could fill a role that many other nations (mine included) are hestiant to accept.

Whether CW forced all of this to a head, no one on the outside will ever know but I'm sure she is probably the final straw that convinced him to resign. Like many of the CP's in Europe, their choice of a wife either could either make them or break them. De Toqueville believed that the America was made on the strength of the character of its women; when considering the true partnership that Grace & Rainier had, I wonder if the same could not hold true for Monaco?
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Old 03-27-2006, 10:00 PM
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Pinky,
You stated that so beautifully,(You must be a writer--your posts are so well-crafted). Many believe that behind a successful man is a great woman.
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Old 03-27-2006, 10:07 PM
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Pinky,
You stated that so beautifully,(You must be a writer--your posts are so well-crafted). Many believe that behind a successful man is a great woman.
Well, thank you teense. I'm actually a professional fundraiser -- I have to use words wisely to convince people to dig deeper in my line of work. Further proof of how far a good education can take you!

My favorite joke is that behind every successful man is a truly surprised mother-in-law. :p
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Old 03-27-2006, 10:08 PM
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Here's a question. Who else is Prince Albert seeing right now? If I am understanding correctly, he has never been exclusive to one lady.
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Old 03-27-2006, 10:17 PM
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Here's a question. Who else is Prince Albert seeing right now? If I am understanding correctly, he has never been exclusive to one lady.
That is one of the great mysteries of life. He may not be seeing anyone after those pics of CW came out...I can't imagine any woman seeing that and wanting to stick around. Maybe that's why Albert and Alicia Warlick called it quits; she found out about NC. We know that the rumors of an impending engagement between Alicia and Albert is what sent her over the edge.
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Old 03-27-2006, 10:31 PM
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It took me a while to find this article again. It came out in the Daily News 6 Sept 2005. In this article Charlene states that she is in training for the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games.

So if there is a wedding or engagement, can she still swim for South Africa or would she swim for Monaco?

http://www.dailynews.co.za/index.php...icleId=2865210
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Old 03-27-2006, 10:36 PM
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It took me a while to find this article again. It came out in the Daily News 6 Sept 2005. In this article Charlene states that she is in training for the 2008 Beijing Olympic Games.

So if there is a wedding or engagement, can she still swim for South Africa or would she swim for Monaco?

http://www.dailynews.co.za/index.php...icleId=2865210
I would think that her allegiances at that point would be to Monaco, but I can't imagine the Monegasques would like to see their Princess competing for another nation or competing at all.
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Old 03-27-2006, 11:04 PM
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i dont know if these have been posted before, sorry if they have, pics of Charlene from www.isifa.com she doesnt look half bad in some of these. i hope i posted correctly before i get edited:)



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Old 03-27-2006, 11:14 PM
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someone needs to tell Charlene men dont usually buy the cow if they have already had the steak...
Would you say the same about Caroline and Stephanie? Or is it because they were born princesses that they get a pass?
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Old 03-27-2006, 11:21 PM
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I think I read that the Prince can control the magazines sold in Monaco(he can stop the sale of an unflattering issue)--Is this true??
This would be nice because it would protect the children of Monaco from seeing PA and the possible new Princess in graphic photos. (The children would see the skills CW developed while ignoring her education...)
I truly hope that a video doesn't surface--- "Serene Charlene does Monaco"--that would be hard to suppress over the internet...
The term "graphic photos" seems overstated, and "Serene Charlene does Monaco" is degrading. Sure they have been spied on and photographed while canoodling in a swimming pool but the sky is not falling.
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Old 03-27-2006, 11:28 PM
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i dont know if these have been posted before, sorry if they have, pics of Charlene from www.isifa.com she doesnt look half bad in some of these. i hope i posted correctly before i get edited:)
I don't think she is unattractive at all. She is no more or less pretty than the other princesses around.
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Old 03-28-2006, 01:06 AM
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Most obviously people need a 'bad girl' in Monaco to talk about and scratch and itch ... it was Stephanie all the time....how lucky we are that there's Charlene now...so that it may go on forever...:(
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Old 03-28-2006, 01:44 AM
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I think I read that the Prince can control the magazines sold in Monaco(he can stop the sale of an unflattering issue)--Is this true??
This would be nice because it would protect the children of Monaco from seeing PA and the possible new Princess in graphic photos. (The children would see the skills CW developed while ignoring her education...)
I truly hope that a video doesn't surface--- "Serene Charlene does Monaco"--that would be hard to suppress over the internet...
I don't think he could since there is a law of freedom of the press here as well, which I have read is to be extended. Besides what good would it do him since then everyone would go across the road to read them.
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Old 03-28-2006, 07:06 AM
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It may be her, it may not be. I just think it's kind of mean to say you're my gf, but I can't have you in my country yet. I also think he only did a day or an overnight trip to Paris so I can't see her traveling all that way just for one night. Then to have her hiding in his entourage...again confirms her role as "official mistress" as that is what he did with NC.

Why is everyone assuming that PA snubbed CW at the ball. Maybe they both thought it would take away the attention from everything else. They new everyone was waiting just for that so as to read all sorts of things into it. She is probably the one who insisted not to attend. We do not know anything as to why she was not there so I find it strange that everyone is assumming PA is the one who decided for her not to be there.
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Old 03-28-2006, 12:23 PM
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Why is everyone assuming that PA snubbed CW at the ball. Maybe they both thought it would take away the attention from everything else. They new everyone was waiting just for that so as to read all sorts of things into it. She is probably the one who insisted not to attend. We do not know anything as to why she was not there so I find it strange that everyone is assumming PA is the one who decided for her not to be there.
I doubt that CW would have insisted on not attending and I still believe the trip to The Maldives was a consolation prize. People are reading all sorts of things into the fact that she didn't attend...and the law suit just made the speculation all the more wild. For some strange reason, Albert doesn't want to be seen with her in Monaco...probably doesn't want to give her, or anyone else, any ideas.
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Old 03-28-2006, 01:38 PM
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I doubt that CW would have insisted on not attending and I still believe the trip to The Maldives was a consolation prize. People are reading all sorts of things into the fact that she didn't attend...and the law suit just made the speculation all the more wild. For some strange reason, Albert doesn't want to be seen with her in Monaco...probably doesn't want to give her, or anyone else, any ideas.
And if he doesn't, it makes me question the nature of their relationship!
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Old 03-28-2006, 04:24 PM
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I doubt that CW would have insisted on not attending and I still believe the trip to The Maldives was a consolation prize. People are reading all sorts of things into the fact that she didn't attend...and the law suit just made the speculation all the more wild. For some strange reason, Albert doesn't want to be seen with her in Monaco...probably doesn't want to give her, or anyone else, any ideas.
Why do you say albert does not want to be seen with her in monaco. I think its too early to say anything about this relationship. Its been less than two months since we first saw them together. I think they did not want to take away the attention from the ball and that is exactly what would have happened had she been there. I think the ball this year was for caroline's children to make their first appearance in this family tradition and it was their day and having cherlene there, would have ruined it. I think it was a great idea on their part and i do not think she is just his mistress. She is either his girlfriend or just friend. Even if just for a while. Its her time in the spotlight with him for now like many others before her. She is lucky in a way she is making those appearances with him than those like NC who were completely hidden and even then, he obviously liked having her around i mean he continued to see her for 5 years. Lots of people have relationships where they see each other just once a month due to work and distance so that does not mean anything either.
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Old 03-28-2006, 04:59 PM
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Why do you say albert does not want to be seen with her in monaco. I think its too early to say anything about this relationship. Its been less than two months since we first saw them together. I think they did not want to take away the attention from the ball and that is exactly what would have happened had she been there. I think the ball this year was for caroline's children to make their first appearance in this family tradition and it was their day and having cherlene there, would have ruined it. I think it was a great idea on their part and i do not think she is just his mistress. She is either his girlfriend or just friend. Even if just for a while. Its her time in the spotlight with him for now like many others before her. She is lucky in a way she is making those appearances with him than those like NC who were completely hidden and even then, he obviously liked having her around i mean he continued to see her for 5 years. Lots of people have relationships where they see each other just once a month due to work and distance so that does not mean anything either.
Um...he is the sovereign prince and if he wanted her there, he could have had her there. He obviously doesn't want her seen with the family. His sisters know what is going on and if it were serious he'd slowly be integrating her into certain events and getting the public used to seeing her in a more flattering light. It's as if he is compartmentalizing his life: state functions, family functions, fun stuff. I don't think he realizes that he can't do that anymore... The funny thing is that PA took NC to quasi-state functions...he just made her pretend she was with someone else...and per NC, she met his father and Rainier knew what was going on, didn't like it, and the relationship cooled very quickly. Unfavorable public reaction could have the same reaction. I've been in long distance relationships -- if you really care for someone you make sure they are with you at the big celebrations.
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