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Old 11-25-2006, 09:57 PM
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I think its sad that she doesn't want to protect her son from the press especially if she knows that he is a little kid and deserves the right to privacy.
The best way to protect your child from the press is to stay quiet as to who the father is when they are a VIP like Albert and not demand acknowledgement as Tamara and Nicole both did. Nicole kept quiet longer than Tamara ever did. I wouldn't have been surprised if she had stayed hidden a little longer had she not learned about Jazmin and wanted acknowledgement first.
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Old 11-26-2006, 04:55 AM
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Agree Lady Mac. Tamara spoke to the media just after Rainer death. She spoke like always through Bruce McCormack. I think it was article in British mag or daily in April 2005, so before Nicole went to PM. Nicole in her interview with PM borrowed many datails from that article.
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Old 11-26-2006, 04:30 PM
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The best way to protect your child from the press is to stay quiet as to who the father is when they are a VIP like Albert and not demand acknowledgement as Tamara and Nicole both did. Nicole kept quiet longer than Tamara ever did. I wouldn't have been surprised if she had stayed hidden a little longer had she not learned about Jazmin and wanted acknowledgement first.
I believe Nicole said in her interview that her reason for going to the press was because she never got the notary paper from Albert saying he was the father and that under French law if he was not declared the father by the time Alexandre turned 2, Alex could not have the opportunity to know who his father was until he was 18. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I do agree about staying quiet to protect your child which neither of the Mothers have done. They are not keeping low profiles as far as I can tell. JMO
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I have moved the posts that deal with Jazmin & Tamara to the correct
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Old 11-27-2006, 01:48 PM
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I believe Nicole said in her interview that her reason for going to the press was because she never got the notary paper from Albert saying he was the father and that under French law if he was not declared the father by the time Alexandre turned 2, Alex could not have the opportunity to know who his father was until he was 18. Please correct me if I am wrong.

I do agree about staying quiet to protect your child which neither of the Mothers have done. They are not keeping low profiles as far as I can tell. JMO
Actually, Alexandre would have knowledge of PA as his father, but he would not have been able to make a claim as an heir if PA had not made the papers legal before the boy's second birthday and his mother would not have been able to legally claim child support. He would have been unable to make any legal claims on it until his 18th birthday. Then he would have to start all over from the beginning, providing proof himself that Albert is his father. That's what the law states.

and a lot of things can happen in 18 years, right?


That is the reason why NC went to court over it (even though she was denied), she wanted to guarantee that the boy would be clearly named as an heir to Alberts personal assets, and to make sure she would be legally entitled to ask child support and get it (even though she was getting somethings already, she did not have legal claims). Now all of it is already documented.
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Old 11-27-2006, 02:24 PM
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Yes, Lillia, but there was no need to go to PM during mourning for Rainier. She would have had ample time to do this after, but she decided she wouldn't. Maybe her revenge for not being able to talk for 5 years. Also PA was already providing for her and the child, hence she wasn't in dire straights for money and the fact that Albert was paying child endowment plus had a positive DNA test made would have been ample proof for the child to have positive claim at the age of 18. I don't mind that he publicly recognized the child, but what I do mind is the involving of the press into this matter. It was a private matter and should have stayed such with possibly a short announcement in order to set matters straight. JMO
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Yes, makes sense. but who knows, actually. I read that PM knew about her long before Ranier died, and she knew about them too. she said no one was keeping her from talking, she went to the media because she wanted to do that (I have no doubt that her lawyer probably advised her also to do it also).

I have mixed sentiment about it all, because of course the timing was very unfortunate, to say the least. But it is all past.

I agree it was (and still is) a private matter and it could have been handled better perhaps. But what's done is done. I do think that she'll never be accepted into the highest social circles for various reasons, least of all her tendancy to talk to the press about very private things. Her son may have the obvious benefit of being son of PA, which should keep him from wanting many things -- but I agree that his mother certainly has taken something away from Alexandre that she will never be able to replace (relative peace that comes with being unknown). I also think she wanted the fame of being the mother of PA child. That is sad because he will now always have some camera peering at him from somewhere.

but she did it, no one else. The boy is now super rich and again, it's past.
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Old 11-27-2006, 05:38 PM
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. That is sad because he will now always have some camera peering at him from somewhere.
Exactly: AT HIM - not at her. I wonder when both babymamas will figure out that once their children are grown up and going their own ways, no one will be interested in the woman who slept with Albert anymore. They might occassionally stand next to their children - as it happens with parents - when they are being photographed, but a lot of people might not even remember who they are because no one is interested in them. They might even find themselves referred to as friends or relative, just as poor Melanie is referred to as Pierres girlfriend .

And by that time, most people will be so distinterested in the mothers, that even writing their story won't sell anymore (unless of course Albert stops payment with majority of the child and the mother is unwilling to work and prefers welfare, then we might see a few frontpages, but somehow I don't see that happening...)
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Actually, Alexandre would have knowledge of PA as his father, but he would not have been able to make a claim as an heir if PA had not made the papers legal before the boy's second birthday and his mother would not have been able to legally claim child support. He would have been unable to make any legal claims on it until his 18th birthday. Then he would have to start all over from the beginning, providing proof himself that Albert is his father. That's what the law states.

and a lot of things can happen in 18 years, right?


That is the reason why NC went to court over it (even though she was denied), she wanted to guarantee that the boy would be clearly named as an heir to Alberts personal assets, and to make sure she would be legally entitled to ask child support and get it (even though she was getting somethings already, she did not have legal claims). Now all of it is already documented.
You're incorrect in that while Nicole stated she didn't have the paper in hand the legal paperwork was done and dated protecting Alexandre which some of you don't seem to understand. All it was was a woman wanting recognition of her son due to Tamara. I went through all this of dates and things with my own attorney within the last few weeks.
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Old 11-28-2006, 09:28 AM
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You're incorrect in that while Nicole stated she didn't have the paper in hand the legal paperwork was done and dated protecting Alexandre which some of you don't seem to understand. All it was was a woman wanting recognition of her son due to Tamara. I went through all this of dates and things with my own attorney within the last few weeks.
Thank you so much for this post! I have long wondered about the quote lack of paperwork. So she infact did not have to go public. What a shame for the boy all this hype. He should have been allowed a "normal" childhood. JMO
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Old 11-28-2006, 11:03 AM
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You're incorrect in that while Nicole stated she didn't have the paper in hand the legal paperwork was done and dated protecting Alexandre which some of you don't seem to understand. All it was was a woman wanting recognition of her son due to Tamara. I went through all this of dates and things with my own attorney within the last few weeks.
If you paid the lawyer to give you this information , you wasted your money, it isn't right. there wasn't any legal paper signed by him, nor officialy recorded. There was a request in court for this document end of April 2005, and the answer was that such a document doesn't exist. the only thing that Albert signed at his notary was an un-official document where he was basically admitting that he's the father of the child. No one saw that piece pf paper. They gave her a 'number' of that document on a piece of paper-not a copy of it, it was mostly done to keep her quiet. That paper didn't have any value in fact. let us know who that attorney was, so that we stay away...
can't believe this thing turned into such an obsession, it's absolutely ridiculous that people even get to pay loads of money to dig into these things (if they really do, or don't just tell us these things to make their point stronger).
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Old 11-28-2006, 01:17 PM
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You're incorrect in that while Nicole stated she didn't have the paper in hand the legal paperwork was done and dated protecting Alexandre which some of you don't seem to understand. All it was was a woman wanting recognition of her son due to Tamara. I went through all this of dates and things with my own attorney within the last few weeks.
OK, I'm confused. Do you have access to french paternity documents? Or are you referring to what was printed in the papers?
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OK, I'm confused. Do you have access to french paternity documents? Or are you referring to what was printed in the papers?
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I went through all this of dates and things with my own attorney within the last few weeks.
is I spoke to my own personal attorney with the suit I have pending and how the dates of Albert acknowledging Alex his rights would have been covered. Nicole wanted to beat Tamara mainly I would say due to the fact she was saying Jazmin was Albert's only child and the rightful heir to the Throne. This is in print.
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Old 11-28-2006, 03:47 PM
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You're incorrect in that while Nicole stated she didn't have the paper in hand the legal paperwork was done and dated protecting Alexandre which some of you don't seem to understand. All it was was a woman wanting recognition of her son due to Tamara. I went through all this of dates and things with my own attorney within the last few weeks.
I'm sorry but I must disagree. NC said plainly that Albert had ordered a blood test of the child shortly after the baby was born, which confirmed that Alexandre was indeed his own son. She also said very plainly that both she and PA went to the notary to sign the document, but that the papers were never registered.

So, according to her Albert did sign some paper at a notary, but it was never filed (therefore not made 'legal or official'). Whether this is true or not, I do not know, I was not there. She plainly stated that PA said he would have the papers registered/filed, but she then also said that she did not have copies of any of these papers that he signed and that she was scared that Albert would not do it at all. NC had lots of strong circumstantial evidence that Albert was the father, but she indicated there had been no clear undeniable proof.

So that's why she claims she went public. She did clearly say that Albert made some recognition of the child in private, he signed the papers in private, and he told her that he would handle the whole thing discreetly. She said that she did not have copies of anything at all -- and since the boy was illigitimate NC was not legally entitled to the papers either -- but she wanted them anyway (obviously).

Those birth papers for Alexandre were not actually filed until after PA publically declared Alexandre to be his son to quiet the media storm about it (it was after the PM article and after the mourning period for Ranier, but right before Alex's 2nd birthday) I still have the article and I have the dates.

He was clearly already providing her and the child with very generous support. So, yes, I agree, she did not have to go public. She could have handled it privately, but in the end she did not.

I have all the articles available from the PM. Her words were very plain about it. So I do understand it clearly.

I think sometimes people only will see and believe what it is that they want to see and believe.

(I have done this myself at times, and I've tried to improve).

But objectively, aside from any negative feelings that anyone would have about the matter either way -- if I had a child and the birth father had signed papers in private, but did not actually register/file the birth certificate to make it all clear and legally recognized and official (it would mean the fact of my child's paternity would be open to speculation, open to be questioned or even denied by people like family, friends on what the child would legally be entitled to have -- espec. since the kid is illegit. and the inheritance is really big huge money) but rather the guy tried to handle it all like some sort of quiet understanding/gentleman's agreement, assuming I could not do anything myself, I am not sure how I would handle such a situation.

I mean, what if something happened to the father, then what would be next for me and my child (especially if I had set myself to be totally dependant on that)? If the father was no longer available, his family friends and colleauges could deny everything, have memory lapses or at the very least stall any acknowledgement for the child over years and years if the facts of true paternity are never actually documented or if the records become lost or destroyed (it could happen) with no trace. I'm not defending anything, just making a statement.

I agree completely that she wanted money and some fame and attention for herself.

I do also think there was a lot of exaggerating and stretching the truth in her story too. She told her story as if PA had left her stranded in the cold holding a baby, but that was absolutely not the case as we all know.


(I know that some people will now go ahead to mis-interpret & mis-read & mis-understand what I've put here as if some kind of defense of NC, but that is not the intent and I have absolutely no control over how someone else reads this post...)
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Lillia lets agree to disagree since I know what I read as well. It's old news lets move on before one of the Moderators reminds us this is a current events threads. And Happy Holidays to all.
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Now that Jazmin has started a fund for charity, Nicole will have to start a charity of her own. Maybe, she will do something for the children of Togo.
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Nicole said in her initial interviews that she had started a charity. More as something to do since she was "too famous" to work.

I haven't been able to find anything more on it. There is no registered charity in her name (any variation) or her youngest son's (again, any variation).

She is neither listed as as a board member or a host for any registered [read:legal] charity in France, Monaco or Togos (from where she claimed descendency).

Perhaps she is too busy checking out various fairs and playgrounds.
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Nicole said in her initial interviews that she had started a charity. More as something to do since she was "too famous" to work.

I haven't been able to find anything more on it. There is no registered charity in her name (any variation) or her youngest son's (again, any variation).

She is neither listed as as a board member or a host for any registered [read:legal] charity in France, Monaco or Togos (from where she claimed descendency).

Perhaps she is too busy checking out various fairs and playgrounds.
Yes, I recall that wonder what happened. Looks like Tamara beat her on that too because they were both claiming to have Albert's only child. Well they did beat the other out by having kids of the opposite sex. Also if you check it out Nicole and Alexandre are on World Roots but Tamara and Jazmin aren't yet.
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Old 12-02-2006, 07:42 AM
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Yes, I recall that wonder what happened. Looks like Tamara beat her on that too because they were both claiming to have Albert's only child. Well they did beat the other out by having kids of the opposite sex. Also if you check it out Nicole and Alexandre are on World Roots but Tamara and Jazmin aren't yet.

I personally think the Nicole made on to that website, because it was perceived as a scandal. And, there is also a site dedicated to Alexandre: www.princealexandreofmonaco.com. IM sure we can expect a similar site
to be dedicated to Jazmin. IM sure Tamara will have her PR people on it.
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Yes, I recall that wonder what happened. Looks like Tamara beat her on that too because they were both claiming to have Albert's only child. Well they did beat the other out by having kids of the opposite sex. Also if you check it out Nicole and Alexandre are on World Roots but Tamara and Jazmin aren't yet.

I personally think the Nicole made on to that website, because it was perceived as a scandal. And, there is also a site dedicated to Alexandre: www.princealexandreofmonaco.com. IM sure we can expect a similar site
to be dedicated to Jazmin. IM sure Tamara will have her PR people on it.
looks like one of those fan club pages, same as the trio or charlotte has, i was wondering when the admierers will come up with something like this.
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