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Old 05-05-2006, 11:31 PM
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I have to differ with you on this statement, Laviollette. Albert has the right and the ability to change the Constitution and the line-of-succession by "adopting" his son. Should something happen in the future, should he change his mind that he wants an heir (this is in reference to the financial inheritance that Alex is entitled to) to also inherit the throne, he has wiggle room. Ultimately succession is a family issue and the Grimaldis have been famous for their rows and challenges to the throne. (Let's just hope that's all in the past.) I agree, on many occasions, Albert has made statements on a variety of subjects that left open a lot of room for questioning; however in this situation, I'm sure Albert has been warned that should he never marry and father a legitimate child, there could be a Constitutional challenge albeit it's unlikely. You are right, there are 17 legitimate heirs before Alex would even be considered at this time. I get the impression Albert is the type of person who sees all of the gray areas of a situation which is why he falls into some of his blunders. (I bet he can be a bit of a policy wonk too...)
Sure Albert can change the constitution for his illegitimate son to succeed him in whatever way he chooses to do this, whether adoption, appointment or election. My point was that according to the current constitution and by current law, he cannot adopt Alex and there is no allowance currently in the law for him, due to his illegitimate status, to be placed in the line-of-succession. The same fumbling ocurred in Albert's interview with Diane Sawyer on GMA. In a barely audible voice, he said "that's not how it's going to be handled" when Diane asked him 'why not just change the law' to allow Alex to succeed him. She then accused him of racism. He didn't have the backbone, imo, to tell her that MC's constitution, laws and line-of-succession was none of her business or that of any American, and that she had obviously not done her research on this issue or else she would know that illegitimate children, whether black, purple, orange or green, do not get a number in line to any throne, anywhere. Again, he failed to say that Caroline was first-in-line after him and then her son, Andrea.
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Old 05-08-2006, 07:30 PM
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I have to admit, anyone who read that Paris Match article, who knows how to use the pill effectively, realizes that the pregnancy was a "calculated mistake." Missing one pill can't get you pregnant particularly if you realize this in time and take two when you go to count them or if you go back to taking them as prescribed. For someone who had been taking the pill for a long time, she suddenly got very forgetful. (I believe she also "forgot" her pills in France when she went on a transatlantic flight to NY for a few days -- per the PM interview). I don't believe Nicole was evil or malicioius -- just angry and desperate.
I agree, pinklady, desperate to find any reason under the sun for Albert to have her and be a part of her life somehow. He wasn't requesting her company anymore, he never told her he loved her (she herself said all that), she even plainly said that when he would come to Paris he was visiting his friends, but in her whole entire story she never once said he actually went anywhere to visit specially with her. In my opinion, someone who absolutely wanted nothing to do with more children would not have left the door so widely open. It was always her doing all the work to get to him and then running after him and making all efforts to travel to be where he was (based strictly on what she said in her interviews with PM and Le Point).

IMO, she had at the very least a motive and the intention to a find reason to try to capture him with an obligation so he could not just float away so easily and completely. Based on what she said, it was her own pushing and finding reasons why he needed to be around her and it was all her maneuvering for everything. Even though he clearly was not turning her away, her story described that he was not coming freely toward her either. While she said their interaction was only once a month, I would not want to make life plans on a man who was acting so lukewarm for such a long stretch of time, prince or not. :) But today all of that is old news, as everyone knows.

I wonder how NC reacted to those stories and pictures about Albert's new girlfriend (well, maybe I shouldn't wonder this type of thing out loud) :) :p
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Old 05-08-2006, 07:51 PM
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I think we should start posting information on NC that are more current. I am looking forward for a new picture of her and Alex.It is really sad people will paint her new house with bad words If the Philly story is true PA is not faithfull to any woman.
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Old 05-08-2006, 08:06 PM
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Again, he failed to say that Caroline was first-in-line after him and then her son, Andrea.
I wonder, does Caroline want the throne? Does she want Andrea to succeed? Since she didn't give them titles (actually, I dunno if she could or chose not to) it makes me wonder if she doesn't just want them to lead normal lives.
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Old 05-08-2006, 08:11 PM
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I think we should start posting information on NC that are more current. I am looking forward for a new picture of her and Alex.It is really sad people will paint her new house with bad words If the Philly story is true PA is not faithfull to any woman.
Actually, I pray that she never gives another interview or "photo spread". It will be in her best interest because I doubt if ANY of her interviews endeared her more to the public in which she has been trying to win over. She mentioned in the Paris Match iinterview that one of the reasons she was going public was so that her two sons could be proud of her. I doubt that she accomplished that goal if their father moved them to South America. Actually, this is the relationship she needs to worry about.

Please Ms. Coste, bask in the wonderful luxuries that you have recieved and enjoy your beautiful child by raising him out of the public view. He is not part of Monaco's "royal family" as define by the court.


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Old 05-08-2006, 08:33 PM
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I wonder, does Caroline want the throne? Does she want Andrea to succeed? Since she didn't give them titles (actually, I dunno if she could or chose not to) it makes me wonder if she doesn't just want them to lead normal lives.
Whether Caroline wants the throne or not or whether she wants Andrea to succeed her or Albert doesn't matter. They are still first and second-in-line to the throne and Albert should have said that and he should have said it forcefully. That's what defending your country and your family is about. It was the usual weak, stumbling and unimpressive answer he gives about subjects he should know about. But after all, he's been cavorting with Nicole and other women like her. They have contributed nothing to his personal growth. Imo, NC and her ilk have contributed to Albert's lack of morality and respect for women -- by his own choice. And the fact that NC forced him to make a public admission about Alexandre is just bizarre. It shows his weakness. He didn't have to do anything but provide financial support and didn't have to make an admission until he felt like it. Rainier wouldn't have been pushed around this way by anyone.
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Old 05-08-2006, 08:47 PM
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I see what you're saying. I didn't see the interview (I didn't get into royalty until later last year) but I wonder if he said that because in his mind, he wants to be able to do whatever he wants. And if he already knows that Caro doesn't want her children to succeed maybe he at that point had hopes for a legitimate heir. Who knows. . .I have no idea how PA feels about his son since we never see evidence of them together. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but we don't say it. For all we know, he could be head over heels for the boy and plotting to change the laws. I know, I know, highly unlikely though.
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Old 05-08-2006, 08:55 PM
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It was the usual weak, stumbling and unimpressive answer he gives about subjects he should know about. But after all, he's been cavorting with Nicole and other women like her. They have contributed nothing to his personal growth. Imo, NC and her ilk have contributed to Albert's lack of morality and respect for women -- by his own choice. And the fact that NC forced him to make a public admission about Alexandre is just bizarre. It shows his weakness. He didn't have to do anything but provide financial support and didn't have to make an admission until he felt like it. Rainier wouldn't have been pushed around this way by anyone.
Actually, I think it showed his strength and morailty. Nicole stated in her Paris Match interview Albert signed the birth documents and that she believed that he would come forward out of respect for her (again her haughtiness). I doubt it. He showed her throughout the relationship, during the pregnancy, and after her outing, just jow much he respects her. I think any weak man could have not acknowledged his child. It took more courage to stand up and face the international humiliation. I respect him for that part.

Nicole knew what type of man Albert was; she stated that she was doing it to appeal to Albert's kindness of his heart. She knew eventually he would acknowledge Alexandre. Don't look at it as a weakness of Albert. I think in the long run each person will get their just rewards.
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Old 05-08-2006, 09:03 PM
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Actually, I think it showed his strength and morailty. Nicole stated in her Paris Match interview Albert signed the birth documents and that she believed that he would come forward out of respect for her (again her haughtiness). I doubt it. He showed her throughout the relationship, during the pregnancy, and after her outing, just jow much he respects her. I think any weak man could have not acknowledged his child. It took more courage to stand up and face the international humiliation. I respect him for that part.

Nicole knew what type of man Albert was; she stated that she was doing it to appeal to Albert's kindness of his heart. She knew eventually he would acknowledge Alexandre. Don't look at it as a weakness of Albert. I think in the long run each person will get their just rewards.
I didn't say he was weak for acknowledging his child. I said he was weak for allowing NC to decide when he would say publicly that he and her had a child together. I said he was weak for not stating to DS on GMA or Larry King on his show that Caro and her son are his heirs, whether they want it or not, whether he changes the law for Alexandre to succeed him or not.
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Old 05-08-2006, 09:22 PM
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I didn't say he was weak for acknowledging his child. I said he was weak for allowing NC to decide when he would say publicly that he and her had a child together. I said he was weak for not stating to DS on GMA or Larry King on his show that Caro and her son are his heirs, whether they want it or not, whether he changes the law for Alexandre to succeed him or not.
Albert told NC (per the PM interview and per PA) that he would come forward with a statement about Alex after the three months of mourning was over. She and her cousins panicked b/c they wouldn't be in charge of the story and it would have all probably blown over in a week or so. Albert kept his word; Nicole went public one month after Rainier's death knowing that he couldn't respond until July. She controlled the story then.

Right now, I don't think that most people really care about the line of succession and "heirs" to most people means financial. Per French law, if Albert has no other children, Alex is entitled to 50% of his estate. How the remainder is spent is up to Albert. Rainier left a specific dollar amount to Caroline, the apartment in Paris, and a farm in the countryside. Stephanie was left $50,000/month for the rest of her life and the apartment in New York. Albert was left the rest. I'm sure there is more to the will than this, but the throne is decided by Constitutional law; the prince has influence but there is a line of succession. For the time being it is Caroline, Andrea, Pierre, et al. There is no doubt in Albert's mind that he will marry and the line of succession will change. He probably assumes that the less he says the better; if he were to say that right now the heir presumptive is Caroline, no matter how true, there would be a whole other slew of questions and presumptions (i.e, he has no intention to marry). People hear what they want to hear and there is a huge difference between hearing and actually listening to what somone says. JMO.
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Old 05-08-2006, 10:20 PM
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Albert told NC (per the PM interview and per PA) that he would come forward with a statement about Alex after the three months of mourning was over. She and her cousins panicked b/c they wouldn't be in charge of the story and it would have all probably blown over in a week or so. Albert kept his word; Nicole went public one month after Rainier's death knowing that he couldn't respond until July. She controlled the story then.

Right now, I don't think that most people really care about the line of succession and "heirs" to most people means financial. Per French law, if Albert has no other children, Alex is entitled to 50% of his estate. How the remainder is spent is up to Albert. Rainier left a specific dollar amount to Caroline, the apartment in Paris, and a farm in the countryside. Stephanie was left $50,000/month for the rest of her life and the apartment in New York. Albert was left the rest. I'm sure there is more to the will than this, but the throne is decided by Constitutional law; the prince has influence but there is a line of succession. For the time being it is Caroline, Andrea, Pierre, et al. There is no doubt in Albert's mind that he will marry and the line of succession will change. He probably assumes that the less he says the better; if he were to say that right now the heir presumptive is Caroline, no matter how true, there would be a whole other slew of questions and presumptions (i.e, he has no intention to marry). People hear what they want to hear and there is a huge difference between hearing and actually listening to what somone says. JMO.

Well, NC made sure she took a thick chunk out of the Grimaldi estate, imo.

In the issue of PM that came after the initial interview w/NC, she was quoted saying that she went public because she was scared Albert would not do it himself. She did say that PA told her he would do it (she claimed) because he felt he could let it out discreetly, but she just felt that he was not going to do it.

I think if Ranier knew this situation was developing out there from the beginning, before he got so ill he may have tried to do something to protect his estate from going the way it did. But who knows, Ranier was quite ill at the end. Who knows, he may have even probably sent the bulk of everything to Caroline so that so much of it could not be lopped off like that, regardless the reason. Just my opinion.:) :)
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Old 05-08-2006, 10:24 PM
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Well, goodness, I would hardly call Alex getting taking care of money going "out the window." He didn't ask to be born after all.
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Well, goodness, I would hardly call Alex getting taking care of money going "out the window." He didn't ask to be born after all.
I don't think Lillia meant that taking care of Alexandre is money wasted. I think many people think that Prince Rainier would be outraged that fully half of 1.8billion euro that he earned and left for his heir would be arbitrarily handed over to NC through her son if Albert died tomorrow. Btw, I still don't think the family has any intention of following French law on this issue. Rainier certainly wouldn't.
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I don't think Lillia meant that taking care of Alexandre is money wasted. I think many people think that Prince Rainier would be outraged that fully half of 1.8billion euro that he earned and left for his heir would be arbitrarily handed over to NC through her son if Albert died tomorrow. Btw, I still don't think the family has any intention of following French law on this issue. Rainier certainly wouldn't.
Alex is PA son Rainier money left for his heir?what do you think Alex is. They will give him what belongs to him he will be a grown man one day no child of PA or PC can stand in his way believe me he will fight for it.when he reads all that PA said about him on LK GMA and all the europe press about not wanting any children bla bla bla over and over He will stick it to them
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Old 05-08-2006, 11:44 PM
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I don't think Lillia meant that taking care of Alexandre is money wasted. I think many people think that Prince Rainier would be outraged that fully half of 1.8billion euro that he earned and left for his heir would be arbitrarily handed over to NC through her son if Albert died tomorrow. Btw, I still don't think the family has any intention of following French law on this issue. Rainier certainly wouldn't.
Yes, that is what I meant. Especially since NC lost in her in the lawsuit that she filed to have the paternity established. PM reported that the courts went against her to open the files. Some others estimated that to continue to pursue her case she would have had to likely make an appeal which would have probably taken long time, at least several months. The boy would have cleared his second birthday and maybe it may have given Albert chance to reserve the estate based on perhaps a few technical points - again maybe, but I have to stress that I am not certain of all of that as I am not a french lawyer. Who knows, certainly not me.

imo, Alexandre and his mother would have always been provided for handsomely, never to want for anything at all ever, but maybe he would not have been set out for nearly 50%, but again, who knows. I do not. And one will never know because it is all past now. Albert made his move. It's long over. What is done is done.:) It is all past history.:) :p
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Right now, I don't think that most people really care about the line of succession and "heirs" to most people means financial. Per French law, if Albert has no other children, Alex is entitled to 50% of his estate.
Well, as you point out correctly, according to French law. But PA will will not be treated under French law, but under MC law. The declarations made by his lawyer were merely to calm the crowds. PA being the sovereign of his state, can decided to whom ever he wants to give his private money. Besides Rainier has already made sure that the biggest chunks are all in a trust that can not be accessed by anyone being just after the Grimaldi money. Hence the billions that are attributed to PA include the palace, the stamp and car collections etc. But these can under no circumstances be sold or otherwise made valuable. And they will stay with whoever inherits the throne. The rest of the inheritance was rather small in comparison: money and a couple of realestates. Rainier set up his will so his children would be protected, not disinherited. None of them will ever encounter financial problems, unless they acquire a complete foulish financial behaviour.

I am sure that PA will look after his son and that he will have some inheritance as well, but those of you who think that if PA dies tomorrow, NC will walk off with half a billion Euros might want to think again. No way that is going to happen. You don't build an estate like that in 700 years and have it taken away by a prolonged one night stand.
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Well, as you point out correctly, according to French law. But PA will will not be treated under French law, but under MC law. The declarations made by his lawyer were merely to calm the crowds. PA being the sovereign of his state, can decided to whom ever he wants to give his private money.
I wholeheartedly agree. Once I read the statement, I knew the intent of Albert's lawyer. Also, I doubt if Albert would have been required to submit to a paternity test under French laws if he did not choose to do so.

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I am sure that PA will look after his son and that he will have some inheritance as well, but those of you who think that if PA dies tomorrow, NC will walk off with half a billion Euros might want to think again. No way that is going to happen. You don't build an estate like that in 700 years and have it taken away by a prolonged one night stand.
I never commented on posts that declared either angrily or happily that Alexandre would received billion(s) of the Grimaldi's money when Albert dies because I knew it was a ridiculous assertion.
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Whether Rainier knew about Eric beforehand or not, he saw what could financially happen with the Jazmin situation.

Though I suspect it was already set up for a long time (most likely when Caroline or perhaps Albert was born), Rainier definitely made financial matters more settled in the arrangements of the trusts and the Crown inheritance after Albert was involved with Tamara. And when Stephanie got pregnant by Daniel, I am convinced he talked with Albert regarding how money was to be handled for Stephanie and her family after he was gone.

If Jazmin is Albert's daughter, neither she, nor Eric, nor their mothers, nor any other illegitimate child (and its mother) of Alberts will be able to just "walk off with half" of the Grimaldi fortunes. The same for Daniel and Mr Gottleib [I forgot his first name]. Were they to marry or remarry Stephanie and later divorce, they would not get much of Stephanie's funds either. Albert would now see to that.

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Edit: I'm not trying to go into is-or-isn't-she regarding Jazmin, I was merely using her as a known example for the probability.
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I do need to clarify a statement that seemed rather airy-minded. A few posts back: I was searching for a "breath of fresh air" out of certain posts: I referred to TBRC's marvelous photography techniques and said that "Maybe we will see PA accompanied by his chosen happiness". So help me I was trying to stay nonpresumptive, but actually meant Charlene, since we've all been speculating, inaddition to the press about her. And its ok if I'm seen as an advocate of a certainn party or parties-its my great pleasure and my right here on RF.

And I've noticed in life a lot of us ladies didn't know we were years long "one night stands" or something else that didn't work-otheriwise why the divorce?
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Whether Rainier knew about Eric beforehand or not, he saw what could financially happen with the Jazmin situation.

Though I suspect it was already set up for a long time (most likely when Caroline or perhaps Albert was born), Rainier definitely made financial matters more settled in the arrangements of the trusts and the Crown inheritance after Albert was involved with Tamara. And when Stephanie got pregnant by Daniel, I am convinced he talked with Albert regarding how money was to be handled for Stephanie and her family after he was gone.
I'm sure Caroline, Albert & Stephanie were all warned when they became old enough to understand that their family's great wealth and social status would make them targets for many disingenuous people. There are many lawyers and trust officers and investment managers handling their inheritances -- and I'm sure in Albert's case -- they are working very hard to make sure that his estate will be distributed (in the far, far future) exactly how he wishes. And there will be many, many, many changes to those documents over the years generating beaucoup de management fees.
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