The Prince of Orange and Princess Máxima, Current Events 2 (May - September 2004)

[kate14]

Do you know Maxima personally? This is what I am picking up from reading your post Regina.

[royal_sophietje]

It's well known that Maxima didn't have lived with Zimmerman. She even issued an statement herself.

[carlota]

i love maxima and imo she elegant, clever, inteligent, nice and beautiful. however, i also criticise when i hear people talking about other princess like she is some kind of goddess. i always see posts in mary's, mathilde's, mette marit's and letizia's boards that say how perfect they are and how beautiful they dressed in their last event. i really think it's important not to lose objectivity. every person has good and bad things and it's a bit unfair to judge only by the good/bad ones.

[Alisa]

"It's well known that Maxima didn't have lived with Zimmerman. She even issued an statement herself"


I've read multiple stories saying the contrary.I've remember even seeing a photo (when those first photos of Maxima came out )that showed her and Zimmerman's address and their names on their mailbox (Zimmerman/Zorreguieta) while they lived in NY.

[Regina]

As royal_sophie said Máxima didn't lived with that man.
Kate, I'm much more close to Inés than Máxima for a question of age.

I will post hear my favorit photos of Máxima.

[Alisa]

'As royal_sophie said Máxima didn't lived with that man. "

Do you or royal_sophietje have a source where Maxima is quoted that she didn't live with him? I believe it was the March 2001 issue of the Telegraaf that chronicled the couple's relationship, and it mentioned that the couple did indeed live together.

[carlota]

in fact she did. they were living together in ny. i also saw that photo with the names zimmerman zorreguieta. but i don't think that's a problem. there isn't any problem if somebodsy has a relation before marrying, or is it? many people have pre wedding relations and there's nothing wrong about it.

[Regina]

For a question of burocracy they didn't change his name in the door. He was the appartment owner, but she never excepted that one day she become the future Queen of the Netherlands, so there is no big deal that their names appear together. She only rent his appartment, nothing more.

If she NEVER saw him, how can you say that they lived together??!

For the traditional Zorreguieta-Cerruti family "living together" is for the jungle people, and the most of argentine people agree with it. Hear, peolple with education, close to the Family, and with money don't live together with anyone.

Please, don't kick me, but I know that in Europe people do that, the fertility rate is very low, woman has much more sexual freedom... but I really don't think that you are happiest than us. But I understand your point of vew.

[susan alicia]

Originally Posted by carlota

in fact she did. they were living together in ny. i also saw that photo with the names zimmerman zorreguieta. but i don't think that's a problem. there isn't any problem if somebodsy has a relation before marrying, or is it? many people have pre wedding relations and there's nothing wrong about it.

You can live together, especcially in new york where good appartments are difficult to find, without having a relationship together. They both might have found it practical to share the rent & it's fun sharing a house, as long as there is enough privacy for each.

[royal_sophietje]

Originally Posted by Alisa

'As royal_sophie said Máxima didn't lived with that man. "

Do you or royal_sophietje have a source where Maxima is quoted that she didn't live with him? I believe it was the March 2001 issue of the Telegraaf that chronicled the couple's relationship, and it mentioned that the couple did indeed live together.

Do you have read my post :) :) ??

I wrote in that post that Maxima herself issued an statement in may or june this year, denying that she and Dieter had an relationship.

[The Watcher]

Originally Posted by Regina

For a question of burocracy they didn't change his name in the door. He was the appartment owner, but she never excepted that one day she become the future Queen of the Netherlands, so there is no big deal that their names appear together. She only rent his appartment, nothing more.

If she NEVER saw him, how can you say that they lived together??!

That's interesting. I didn't know that. In the Netherlands, magazines wrote that she was even engaged with Dieter when she met Willem-Alexander. I'm happy that that story is not true. :)

[Regina]

In fact, she never met that man. Susan, well said!
Of course Máxima had some romances (it is known hear that she had a platonic passion for paul Newman) but saying that she Lived with Ditte (or with other) man is Not correct!
It is not correct from us to say that maxima was virgin when she married because that concern to her private life, but I think people should have respect for her and do not invent false stories!

Kisses!!!

[Alisa]

Originally Posted by Regina

In fact, she never met that man. Susan, well said!
Of course Máxima had some romances (it is known hear that she had a platonic passion for paul Newman) but saying that she Lived with Ditte (or with other) man is Not correct!
It is not correct from us to say that maxima was virgin when she married because that concern to her private life, but I think people should have respect for her and do not invent false stories!

This isn't a matter of disrespecting Máxima and no one here is inventing false stories. This is simply just clarifying information. As I have previously stated numerous articles have been written in the press saying that the couple had a relationship and that they lived together and shared an apartment in NY, there was even a photo showing their names on their mailbox.

Originally Posted by royal _sophietje

Do you have read my post ??

I wrote in that post that Maxima herself issued an statement in may or june this year, denying that she and Dieter had an relationship.

I did read your post, but again you haven't provided a source as to where I can read or see that statement. If Maxima had issued a statement of any kind I am sure I would have read it at the Princess Maxima board or the benelux royals message board and I haven't.

While you may be right that Maxima has never had a relationship with Zimmerman I would like to see or read the proof for myself, as I have seen evidence that suggests the contrary.

[kate14]

I am also interested in reading this statement by Maxima.

[Regina]

Here is a link where you can be SURE that Máxima did NOT lived with Zimmerman.
Enjoy it!

http://www.humano.ya.com/zorre/anuncio8.htm

[lucys]

If Maxima did or did not live with Zimmerman is, to my mind, irrelevant. She is neither a better nor a lesser person for that fact. Much as my Catholic teachers told me otherwise, the truth is that purity of body does in no manner necessarily mean purity of character or heart, nor vice versa. We live in the year 2004 and I, personally, am pleased that we have passed the time when Princes' could be known womanizers but their brides had to be virgins. Prince Charles--thankfully--was the last modern Prince who had to live by outdated measurements of a woman's worth.

What I see in this generation of Princes is men that have married their equals--intelectually and emotionally and, yes, even in experience--men that have valued women for the quality of their mind and character, not the purity of their bodies. These new Princesses are not show pieces--as poor, young 19-year-old Lady Diana was--but real, flesh and blood women. And that rejection of false ideals is better for all of us.

It's why I have become for the first time in my life interested in Royalty--because it is evolving and to watch the delicate balance between modernity and tradition is interesting.

And frankly, by trying to turn Maxima into some sort of innocent you kill half of her charm. She is worldy, wealthy, vivacious and disarming; therein lies her charm, not in some sanctified goodness.

Of course this all just my opinion!

[Genevieve]

Originally Posted by lucys

If Maxima did or did not live with Zimmerman is, to my mind, irrelevant. She is neither a better nor a lesser person for that fact. Much as my Catholic teachers told me otherwise, the truth is that purity of body does in no manner necessarily mean purity of character or heart, nor vice versa. We live in the year 2004 and I, personally, am pleased that we have passed the time when Princes' could be known womanizers but their brides had to be virgins. Prince Charles--thankfully--was the last modern Prince who had to live by outdated measurements of a woman's worth.

What I see in this generation of Princes is men that have married their equals--intelectually and emotionally and, yes, even in experience--men that have valued women for the quality of their mind and character, not the purity of their bodies. These new Princesses are not show pieces--as poor, young 19-year-old Lady Diana was--but real, flesh and blood women. And that rejection of false ideals is better for all of us.

It's why I have become for the first time in my life interested in Royalty--because it is evolving and to watch the delicate balance between modernity and tradition is interesting.

And frankly, by trying to turn Maxima into some sort of innocent you kill half of her charm. She is worldy, wealthy, vivacious and disarming; therein lies her charm, not in some sanctified goodness.

Of course this all just my opinion!

Thank you for your sensibility lucys. I totally agree with you. What is the big deal if Maxima did or did not live with this Zimmerman guy and whether it was platonic or not? Does the fact that she might've lived with him make her a lesser person?

I can't believe that anybody would be naive enough in the year 2004 to believe that someone who got married in her late twenties/early thirties might still be a virgin or that she has had no experience with men until Willem came around.

And whatever Maxima's past, her past is what got her to where she is today: A happy life with Willem, a healthy daughter, and life as a Crown Princess of the Netherlands.

And really, she had to issue a formal and public statement about whether or not she lived with some guy? How insane is that? Whose business is it that she did or did not live with this Zimmerman guy? It's nobody's business but hers and this guys. Obviously if she did, it did not bother Willem or make him think that she would not be a good Crown Princess or future Queen because of it.

[Alisa]

Originally Posted by Genevieve

What is the big deal if Maxima did or did not live with this Zimmerman guy and whether it was platonic or not? Does the fact that she might've lived with him make her a lesser person?

Personally, it isn't a big deal if she did or didn't live with him.That's not an issue for me,it may be for others or the Zorreguietas.

***I just wanted some clarification as whether I should alter information I have on the couple.

[Ennyllorac]

Honestly, what irks me is people making moral judgements.

[didem]

http://www.hola.com/casasreales/2004...ima_guillermo/