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Old 12-03-2003, 04:24 AM
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to binny: sinterklaas/ st. nicholas is the dutch version (and much older) of santa claus (?) ...he originally was bisshop (of Izmir I believe) ..but according to tradition he arrives in this country by boat every november, children can place their shoes near the open fire place, sing songs (sometimes they put a carrot in their shoe for the white horse of the saint) etc...and the next morning the will find a present in their shoe.......placed their by the moorish helpers of St Nicholas, who climb up and down the chimney every night. ...on december 5th it is 'pakjesavond'...St Nicholas brings big bags with toys etc to each house etc. When the children get older & do not believe this story anymore many families still celebrate this tradition by making funny poems about each other and by making 'surprises, with a small gift inside. (I hope I do make sense) ...btw...as a little girl I was afraid of him...because if you had been a naughty child his helpers (called black pete's) would put you in a bag and take you with them on dec 6th on the boat to spain.

the link provides a better explanation btw:
http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=92
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Old 12-03-2003, 07:56 AM
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Probable dates ;

december 3
december 7

december 4,5,6 are not an option .December 4 is one day before sinterklaas,december 5 = sinterklaas ,december 6= the day after sinterklaas.And the day to say goodbye to siterklaas.

So If it's true that the baby will come this week then it will come today or sunday.
But Sunday seems to me a not good day.It's a rest day .
So today or next weeks seems more suitable .
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Old 12-03-2003, 09:40 AM
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What is sinterklaas? Hope this isn't a stupid question..... Thanks.

My guess is twin girls born next Mon. 12/8
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Old 12-03-2003, 10:19 AM
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Originally posted by justine@Dec 3rd, 2003 - 3:43 am
There may be reasons not disclosed to the public that make it needed for Pss Maxima to have a c-section.
I had toxemia/pre-eclampsia w/ both my children. With my first child I was on bed rest from 33 weeks until labor began. With my second child (who was breech until the Dr's turned him at 32 weeks) I fought against having a c-section. In the end my natural childbirth was a scheduled appointment. The midwife induced labor when I went to the hospital.

Eclampsia has many variables and can effect a pregnancy/mother/child in so many different ways.
I always thought pregnancy was easy and relatively safe, but for some women it's a very rough and hard event.

As long as the Dr's determine that the future Prince/ss is healthy (mature lungs) then this may be an appointment to induce labor instead of a c-section.
Gestational Diabetes is also another problem which can arise from toxemia/eclampsia...and that can cause the baby to get to large in the last month/weeks of the pregnancy.

I can't imagine that Pcss Maxima would opt for surgery instead of natural childbirth. The thought of 'going under the knife' always turns *my* stomach.

I am excited for the birth!!!
i never knew about your story!

my Aunt had 2 c-section when my cousin had big baby both was 10 lbs and 11 lbs but i hold my cousin Bud's baby after his born he was so big yes i cant believe that my cousin had big baby at 11lbs like that! my cousin Abby was born at 10lbs

maybe Princess Maxima wouldn't scary about c-section with the knife and sharp knife also! if she would be! maybe she would nervous about c-section!

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Old 12-03-2003, 10:25 AM
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Helena,
Are holiday gifts exchanged on 12/25 also? I think the baby or babies will be wonderful gifts for the Royal Family!
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Originally posted by sara1981+Dec 3rd, 2003 - 10:19 am--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (sara1981 @ Dec 3rd, 2003 - 10:19 am)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-justine@Dec 3rd, 2003 - 3:43 am
There may be reasons not disclosed to the public that make it needed for Pss Maxima to have a c-section.
I had toxemia/pre-eclampsia w/ both my children.&nbsp; With my first child I was on bed rest from 33 weeks until labor began.&nbsp; With my second child (who was breech until the Dr&#39;s turned him at 32 weeks) I fought against having a c-section.&nbsp; In the end my natural childbirth was a scheduled appointment.&nbsp; The midwife induced labor when I went to the hospital.

Eclampsia has many variables and can effect a pregnancy/mother/child in so many different ways.
I always thought pregnancy was easy and relatively safe, but for some women it&#39;s a very rough and hard event.

As long as the Dr&#39;s determine that the future Prince/ss is healthy (mature lungs) then this may be an appointment to induce labor instead of a c-section.&nbsp;
Gestational Diabetes is also another problem which can arise from toxemia/eclampsia...and that can cause the baby to get to large in the last month/weeks of the pregnancy.

I can&#39;t imagine that Pcss Maxima would opt for surgery instead of natural childbirth.&nbsp; The thought of &#39;going under the knife&#39; always turns *my* stomach.

I am excited for the birth&#33;&#33;&#33;
i never knew about your story&#33;

my Aunt had 2 c-section when my cousin had big baby both was 10 lbs and 11 lbs but i hold my cousin Bud&#39;s baby after his born he was so big yes i cant believe that my cousin had big baby at 11lbs like that&#33; my cousin Abby was born at 10lbs

maybe Princess Maxima wouldn&#39;t scary about c-section with the knife and sharp knife also&#33; if she would be&#33; maybe she would nervous about c-section&#33;

Sara Boyce [/b][/quote]
I had c-sections with both my sons. The first was "stuck" after 2 days of labor and the second was breech, we moved him and he went right back to bottom down. Neither were emergency sections, so I have a fairly small scar. Didn&#39;t mind the knife, the spinal with the shot in the back bothered me more. I am just glad both me and the boys came through okay. Recovery was fairly easy for me.
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Old 12-03-2003, 02:21 PM
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Sinterklaas tradition

Traditionally, in mid-November, two weeks before his celebrated Feast Day, Sinterklaas arrives in the Netherlands by boat from his home in Spain (it is widely believed that Spanish sailors brought the legend of Saint Nicholas to the Netherlands).

Accompanied by his white horse and his helpers, the Zwarte Pieten, he arrives in the Netherlands to signify the start of the holiday season. This event is broadcast live, and each year Sinterklaas arrives in a different city. Many people from across the country welcome Sinterklaas at the harbour and watch him parade through the city&#39;s streets.

During the two weeks before his "birthday", it is said that Sinterklaas rides across rooftops at night on his white horse, listening through chimneys for good children. Nice children that leave carrots in shoes for Sinterklaas&#39; horse, wake up to shoes full of candy and treats. However, it is the eve before his Feast Day (Sinterklaasavond) that is the most highly anticipated by children, and the busiest day for Sinterklaas. This is the big day when Sinterklaas delivers presents to good children and coal to children who have been naughty.
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Old 12-03-2003, 02:36 PM
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It&#39;s just a fun tradition.
Don&#39;t think we Dutch people are morons :P
It&#39;s the only day that I get more present than on my own birthday
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Old 12-03-2003, 03:26 PM
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Is Sinterklaasvond 12/24? This tradition sounds nice, the Dutch have one more day besides 12/25 to enjoy during the holiday season.
I&#39;m not trying to get off the W-A and Maxima subject.....this is stuff she had to learn at some point too. :)
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Old 12-03-2003, 03:54 PM
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No, Sinterklaasavond is 12/5&#33; This friday... :woot:
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Old 12-04-2003, 07:26 AM
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Are holiday gifts exchanged on 12/25 also?
Sinterklaas is 12/5
X-mas is 12/25 and 12/26
Sinterklaas is a traditionel thing with presents and a lot of families give presents at x-mas too, but thats not tradition.
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Old 12-04-2003, 03:44 PM
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Does anyone know the address for Princess Maxima and Prince Willem-Alexander? I would like to send them a Christmas card but I don&#39;t know where to send it&#33;
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Old 12-05-2003, 08:29 AM
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Pregnant máxima in the &#39;&#39;bijenkorf&#39;&#39; together with her mother
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Old 12-05-2003, 08:30 AM
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Old 12-05-2003, 09:56 AM
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I&#39;m prepared&#33;&#33; I have bought video-tapes to record every special the Dutch television will broadcast then. I expect the baby today (Prince Bernhard jr. was also born on a special day: Christmas&#33;&#33;&#33 or tomorrow or sunday....
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Translated by Laura

She bought a Jip and Janneke (verry populair in Holland) raincoat.

By ;Mark Konijn

The Hague | Al the rumours about Màxima&#39;s pregnancy are not true, it seems now because yesterday around the clock of six in the evening, Màxima and her mother Maria were shopping in the Hema and Bijenkorf .(dutch stores in all kinds of products)Màxima looked relaxed.
De saleswomen of the Hema couldn&#39;t believ3ed that Màxima was shopping in their store. Paula ;" I first thought, Is this really Màxima ?. This is something you don&#39;t expect, all those pregnancy rumours were/are false" .She bought all kind of stuff,babystuff and christmass stuff. "We are really proud,that Màxima bought some things here,she was really kind and gave a compliment to one of the salesladies.She looked really good."

Bijenkorf
Later on,Màxima and her mother went shopping in the Bijenkorf.What they bought there is unknown.Maybe some underwear,maybe christmass stuff .
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Thank you Patje for the wonderful pictures and article. :)
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i found another picture, from the other side&#33;
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I found the same picture of Princces máxima but than bigger&#33;
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