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Old 02-23-2006, 02:20 AM
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I could see where Pieter would give frequent interviews. I saw him on a Dutch TV show last year (sorry can't remember the name, but I do remember that the title of the show was in English). Anyways, he was a natural in front of the camera - he was joking around and looked completely relaxed. He probably is a good complement to Margriet, because I get the impression (although I could be wrong) that she is a bit on the shy side?? Having Pieter around on public occasions probably helps her to relax a bit.

That's too bad you missed the interview Marengo. I'll try to see if I can dig it up, although I guess it would be against copyright rules to post it on here.
Wonderfull documentary!Besides Pieters openness,I thought it was touching how both Princess Margriet and Pieter said they'd never ever,called each other by they're real names,nicknames only:) .

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a few sweet ones of Margriet & Peter attending regeringsdiner on December 17, 2005
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Wonderfull documentary!Besides Pieters openness,I thought it was touching how both Princess Margriet and Pieter said they'd never ever,called each other by they're real names,nicknames only:).
I wish I could have seen this documentary that you & Marengo are talking about, but I'm afraid what I saw (on the internet) was just Pieter at some sort of game show? He was in a TV studio, sitting at a table with the host of the show and there was a studio audience. I would have loved to have seen this documentary, but I doubt it will ever make it to Canadian TV. And wouldn't we love to know Pieter & Margriet's nicknames for each other??

Purple Platinum, thank you, as usual for the great pictures!
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I found the interview that Margriet & Pieter gave to de Volkskrant on the All Things Royal forum. It is post #102 on this page http://www.allthingsroyal.nl/forum/i...opic=15&st=100

I can't read Dutch, so if anyone that can is willing to take the time to summarize, I would be very grateful!:)
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A quarter century the stand-ins for queen Beatrix and almost forty years together. Princess Margriet and Pieter van Vollenhoven will tell about their work, their sons and their marriage.
' The drinking of tea laid an enormous foundation.'
Princess Margriet and Pieter van Vollenhoven celebrated their own party this year. Already for 25 years they are the two official substitutes of queen Beatrix, and above all is the couple almost forty years together. In house the Loo, slightly behind the palace in Apeldoorn, the two are lookign back on the harvest of last year.
Pieter van Vollenhoven (66) - ' I am a fighter ' - became high teacher (professor?) risk management to the university twente and President of the research Council for security. Princess Margriet (62) - ' I am a laatbloeier (late blossomer?)' - received, after eight years as a President of the highest governing body of the international red cross, a new international function. And their two youngest sons, prince Pieter-Christiaan and prince Floris, got married - ' we have been sold off ', said Van Vollenhoven.
Just like their older brothers and the cousins in The Hague the princes chose for commoners. With that in mind, we have to think back of the entry of the first citizen to the court, in 1967. That seemed to be a small revolution. Van Vollenhoven: I haven't made it easy for myself. I also have not realised that it would become this complicated.
Where their sons met and explored their love for their later partners, the friendship between Pieter and Margriet was only tolerated, at best. Two years long, on the sunday afternoons, between four and six, they drank a cup tea on an approved address. Pieter: Just imagine, the chaperonne sat downstairs! We spoke for two hours. If we that hadn't been able to drink tea together, I am not sure if we would have made it in our marriage. I hadn't been educated at home in intensive talking. I learned to communicate because of it. The people around us wanted to gain time and thought: it end (the relationship) automatically.
Margriet: According to the English proverb: Absence makes the heart grow fonder. If you forbid something, you are actually stimulating it.
Pieter: Govermental permission for a possible marriage was very uncertain. Having the historical precedents in mind, it did not speak for itself that the gouverment would aprove.
Margriet: It was already certain that my youngest sister would choose a another path (of life) because of her visual handicap and no parliamentary authorisation would be asked for her marriage. Then were there still three. Irene married without authorisation law. I thought: I don't want to put my parents through that again (JM: another marriage of one of their daughter without permission from parliament). You agreed on that, didn't you?
Pieter: Absolutely. There was in that time someone who told me: if you really love that woman, then you put everything on one card, no matter what the outcome will be.
Margriet: 'I hope that card would be the 'harten-aas' (JM: highest card in the game, I do not know what the translation is)?' Pieter: Yes! You must take dangers in life. I could have come unmarried from this battle. My parents actually thought: this will pass away.
Margriet: I have thought always instinctively that my mother knew that this was for real. My father was away much during those days, and he hadn't spoken about the matter.
Pieter: I didn't only make it myself difficult by loving you, but also because, later on, I didn't want to be involved in functions which are not suitable for your position. A member of the royal house with a job, that was not to be realised in practice then as easily as it seems to be now. Also later on, during my fight for an independent study of the truth (JM: in for example the counsil of public safety), that was sensitive because when you do not agree with ministers you have to be carefull, and bear the ministerial responsibility in mind.
Also, I started an old hobby again, playing the piano. They really had to get used to that. It made it complicated for others to take me seriously in my function as chairman of 'victim-help'.
Could you determine your own social career as a princess?
Margriet: The women of my generation did not plan their lives this way. We were not particular carreer focussed. That was something which came a bit later on. Girlfriends said at a moment: what will you do when your children leave the house? But I had so much more to do then I ever held possible, even before I realised it!
I have, in fact, just 'rolled' into my international function. I was always active in the red cross, nationally and internationally. Somebody asked in 1995, if I wanted to put myself in as a candidate for the Standing Commission. An election, on personal title, by 180 states and national associations. That meant a risk, because the Standing Commission wasn't very well known. It was not clear what their work really was. After my election we have locked ourself up, with the new governing board: what do we want tochange, what are our priorities and how will we organise that? Thanks to my husband I have learned: you must be clear in what you want, you have to communicate transparently and clearly.
I am a co-incidental 'laatbloeier' (late-blossomer). TI really worked very hard in those eight years! My secretaries were located in Genève, but I could do much from here. So I had to learn how to type, e-mail, etc. I never even touched a computer before! These days I represent the Dutch red cross in the federation governing board, the coordinating organisation of the red cross - and red half Moon-associasions.
' What did you reach with the Red Cross?'
Margriet: The new emblem, red crystal, is finally agreed upon. We worked very hard for that these eight years. Imagine there would be a war on Cyprus, then the medical troops of one party and of the other party will have the red cross AND the red half moon. If both organisations would have the red crystal, aid will become neutral again! A new emblem is more and more necessary, because there are conflicts with an ethnic or religious background more frequently.
Do you, see matters on which the Red Cross should focus more?'
Margriet: Very high on our international federation agenda is the fight against AIDS. Furthermore we want to be better prepared for calamities. Emergency aid has do with being prepared for predictable calamities.
Mr Van Vollenhoven, you occupy yourself with calamities and accidents in an organized country. In the beginning of this year, under your presidency, the research Council for security has been installed.
Pieter: The Council has been installed indeed - after 22 years of struggling for it- in thepresence of the queen and the prime-minister. The independent research has been anchored legally now. We are no longer dependent on incidental research commissions.
The interviews continues with some technical things on his work in the commission.
If your husband comes home after a row with a minister, will you stand on the breaks or will you urge him to proceed and keep a straight back?
Margriet: Ha, ha! We talked about it at times, it was always clear to me with what my husband busied himself.
Pieter: I did not have the inclination to talk continously about every disagreement at home. But those conflicts were of course complicated for my wife. The question is: what would I expect from my wife if I do tell her everything?
Margriet: I must say that my husbands opponant always made a distinction between my husbands work and our private life.
Queen Beatrix have thanked you both during Queensday in Scheveningen for your aid, the previous quarter century. Margriet: We have especially supported her from the moment that my brother-in-law, prince Claus became ill. That happened more often then we could predict on beforehand. Our work is ambiguous. In the first place there are the things that we do on behalf of the queen, or for which we are asked. Moreover there are the things that we do on account of our own interest.
Pieter: ' you were involved in the health care from the beginning.' Margriet: That wasn't really a concious choise. I did things that I had to take over from my sister Irene. She already had accepted some functions, before she lost the membership of the royal house. I got those functions suddenly on my plate.
Do you talk sometimes to prince Constantijn and princess Laurentien concerning your position, which is similar?
Margriet: ' yes, we are available for advice.' Pieter: But we don't want to be intruisive. You know, I like the word independance. Margriet: ' but we do exchange experiences. Pieter: ' absolutely, there no secrets' .
Margriet: ' and the youth mutually exchanges much of experiences as well.'
Have you have been able to inform your sons well, concerning the consequences of being a member of the royal family?
Margriet: What has been very important for us is that they were really convinced that they married the right person. But we also told them that married life is not only a romantic pink cloud. We hadd to remind them of that quite some times.
If they came home with girlfriends we said: be aware of what you are starting with. Be aware of what you are doing to that other person. Even when you will lose your membership of the Royal House, you will always be a member of the family, which will cause media interest.
Pieter: You must be really in love with each other. Not that that that feeling remains eternal, but there must be a very firm foundation, nevertheless.
Margriet: You must be each other's best friend. I have that feeling with our children though.
Margriet: We now have a more intensive relationship with the children, but less frequently. It goes more in the depth, you have another kind of conversations with each other. Now they are building a career of their own, they are like our sparring partners.
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Princess Margriet will visit Paralympics Winter Game on 10 and 11 March 2006

Her Royal Highness Princess Margriet of the the Netherlands, on Friday 10 and Saturday 11 March, will be present at the Paralympische winter game in Turijn.
In May 2005, the erebestuur of the IPC (International Paralympic Committee) joined is the Princess. In this quality they a part of the Paralympische winter game lives by.
The IPC coordineert and faciliteert since 1989 next to other international competitions for handicap topsporters the Paralympische Summer and winter game. Under the motto 'Spirit in motion' strives the IPC it to to let see that everybody, also with a handicap, in state is through means of sport success to experience and its horizon to broaden. As sport can contribute handicap at the integration from. The erebestuur has been started to carry this errand world-wide also out.
The Paralympische winter games is a topsportevenement at which 535 participants from 39 countries participate. This year there have been represented no Dutch athletes. The Paralympische winter game its of Friday 10 till and with Saturday 18 March in Turijn.
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Marengo! Wow! The most I was hoping for was a brief summary of the interview, and here you have translated most of it! Wonderful! A million thanks! I hope you weren't up 'til the wee hours of the morning translating.

I really enjoyed reading the interview, hearing them talk about their work, their family and their relationship. I guess I hadn't realized how much of a struggle it was for Pieter to be accepted by the Royal Court. I can't believe that they spent 2 years, meeting every Sunday for a few hours to sip tea and chat! Pieter must have had the patience of a Saint! This kind of courtship just seems such a contrast from what many of their hippy cohorts were doing in the '60s. It makes you realize how much things have changed for the younger generation of royals.

It must have been tempting to just run off & elope, but as they say in the interview, after Irene's wedding, they didn't want to put Bernhard & Juliana through more stress. I admire Margriet & Pieter for not taking the easy way out (i.e. not asking for Parliamentary approval of their marriage). I mean, they could have just got married without permission & sat back and have an easy life without royal duties.

I also found it interesting to hear Margriet say that becoming involved in the health care field (probably the area her public image is most connected with?) was not a conscious choice, but rather something that she felt obligated to take over from Irene. For a role that she just sort of "fell" into, she has done very well.

Thanks again Marengo. I've learned a lot from this interview (& maybe won't have to pester you with so many questions now:))
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Princess Margriet will visit Paralympics Winter Game on 10 and 11 March 2006

Her Royal Highness Princess Margriet of the the Netherlands, on Friday 10 and Saturday 11 March, will be present at the Paralympische winter game in Turijn.
In May 2005, the erebestuur of the IPC (International Paralympic Committee) joined is the Princess. In this quality they a part of the Paralympische winter game lives by.
The IPC coordineert and faciliteert since 1989 next to other international competitions for handicap topsporters the Paralympische Summer and winter game. Under the motto 'Spirit in motion' strives the IPC it to to let see that everybody, also with a handicap, in state is through means of sport success to experience and its horizon to broaden. As sport can contribute handicap at the integration from. The erebestuur has been started to carry this errand world-wide also out.
The Paralympische winter games is a topsportevenement at which 535 participants from 39 countries participate. This year there have been represented no Dutch athletes. The Paralympische winter game its of Friday 10 till and with Saturday 18 March in Turijn.
1 March 2006

http://www.koninklijkhuis.nl/content.jsp?objectid=14355
Great news! Because of her back problems, I was doubtful that she would attend. Good for her! It's too bad though that there will be no Dutch athletes for her to cheer on.
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Old 03-02-2006, 04:37 AM
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Marengo! Wow! The most I was hoping for was a brief summary of the interview, and here you have translated most of it! Wonderful! A million thanks! I hope you weren't up 'til the wee hours of the morning translating.

I really enjoyed reading the interview, hearing them talk about their work, their family and their relationship. I guess I hadn't realized how much of a struggle it was for Pieter to be accepted by the Royal Court. I can't believe that they spent 2 years, meeting every Sunday for a few hours to sip tea and chat! Pieter must have had the patience of a Saint! This kind of courtship just seems such a contrast from what many of their hippy cohorts were doing in the '60s. It makes you realize how much things have changed for the younger generation of royals.

It must have been tempting to just run off & elope, but as they say in the interview, after Irene's wedding, they didn't want to put Bernhard & Juliana through more stress. I admire Margriet & Pieter for not taking the easy way out (i.e. not asking for Parliamentary approval of their marriage). I mean, they could have just got married without permission & sat back and have an easy life without royal duties.

I also found it interesting to hear Margriet say that becoming involved in the health care field (probably the area her public image is most connected with?) was not a conscious choice, but rather something that she felt obligated to take over from Irene. For a role that she just sort of "fell" into, she has done very well.

Thanks again Marengo. I've learned a lot from this interview (& maybe won't have to pester you with so many questions now:))
Actually the translation isn't that good as I started with bablefish, but now I realise it takes more time to correct bablefish then to translate it immediately
It was a surprise for me as well that Margriet and health-care weren't connected out of 'choise', but because of a (fortunate) coinsidence.
Also funny to note that she has the same problems as most women, esp. what to do after the children are leaving the house...
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Very strange that there aren't any dutch athletes. I remember that there were dutch athletes in Salt Lake City 2002, when the PoO and Maxima especially took a break from their honeymoon to attend the event.
It will be lovely to see Margriet there though, I hope a member of her family will join her (though I do not expect it).
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Very strange that there aren't any dutch athletes. I remember that there were dutch athletes in Salt Lake City 2002, when the PoO and Maxima especially took a break from their honeymoon to attend the event.
It will be lovely to see Margriet there though, I hope a member of her family will join her (though I do not expect it).
Prince Bernhard Jr watch a speedskating match (photos here) during the 20th winter olympics along with his cousin, Prince of Orange. Let's hope Margriet is accompanied with her family this time... let's hope for the newlyweds..
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Professor. mr. Pieter van Vollenhoven will preside signing a contract on 10 March 2006

Professor mr. Pieter van Vollenhoven and mr. Hein van Oorschot, on Friday 10 March, will sign the contract between the Fonds Slachtofferhulp (Fund victim help) and the University of Tilburg.

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Actually the translation isn't that good as I started with bablefish, but now I realise it takes more time to correct bablefish then to translate it immediately
It was a surprise for me as well that Margriet and health-care weren't connected out of 'choise', but because of a (fortunate) coinsidence.
Also funny to note that she has the same problems as most women, esp. what to do after the children are leaving the house...
You did an excellent job translating Marengo! I can understand pretty much everything (of course, I am at your mercy - you can write anything and I will have to believe you).

Yes, it was funny to hear Margriet talk about what to do when the children are grown up. Did she "work" much when her children were young (the 1960s & 1970s) or is she working more now? I also thought it was interesting that she described herself as a "late bloomer". She does seem to get "better" with age.

And Pieter's description of himself as a "fighter" seems a good one. I noticed he mentioned "victim help" in the interview and Purple Platinum just mentioned that he will be doing something on March 10th in connection with "victim help". What does this organisation do?
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I believe the victim-help is an organisation which supports victims of traffic accidents, (domestic) violence or crimes. The members are 250 paid employees and 1500 volunteers who try to help the victims legally, practically and emotionally. The organisation also lobies in The Hague (& in the media) for their causes.

I am not completely sure, but I believe in the 80-ties the driver of Pieter (with Pieter in the back of the car) had an accident with a pedestrian, who died in the accident. After that Pieter became involved with this organisation.

I think Margriet did less for the Red Cross when she was younger and most she does now is 'behind the screens'. During Juliana's reign Claus and Beatrix were the spare-pair, so to speak, so I assume she had less public engagements as well.
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I believe the victim-help is an organisation which supports victims of traffic accidents, (domestic) violence or crimes. The members are 250 paid employees and 1500 volunteers who try to help the victims legally, practically and emotionally. The organisation also lobies in The Hague (& in the media) for their causes.

I am not completely sure, but I believe in the 80-ties the driver of Pieter (with Pieter in the back of the car) had an accident with a pedestrian, who died in the accident. After that Pieter became involved with this organisation.

I think Margriet did less for the Red Cross when she was younger and most she does now is 'behind the screens'. During Juliana's reign Claus and Beatrix were the spare-pair, so to speak, so I assume she had less public engagements as well.
Thanks Marengo. I hadn't heard about that accident until a few weeks ago, when I, by chance, stumbled across a small article about it in the London Times, while researching something else. At least I think it was the same accident as you are refering to. It happened around Christmas 1983 while Margriet & Pieter were on holiday near Salzburg. According to the Times, the couple were in their car with 2 of their sons and there was a collison with another car. A young German man in the other car was killed. How awful - even if you are not the one at fault, still, by being in the wrong place, at the wrong time ... someone is no longer alive. I'm glad to see though that Pieter has worked to make something positive come out of the experience. It actually sounds like a really interesting charity. And I like the idea that they take a holistic approach to assisting the victims, rather than just focusing on the legal aspects.
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Some pictures of Margriet carrying out an engagement at Het Loo Palace in early December 2005.

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Some pictures of Margriet carrying out an engagement at Het Loo Palace in early December 2005.

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thank you for the photos, Squidgy :)

i like how Princess Margriet look... she looks very cute in pink and the hat is adorable too..
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Thanks indeed, Margriet looks great on these pictures! She is just getting better & better with age.
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Great pictures, Squidgy! It's always good to see our lovely princess Magriet. I must say: I love the hat! :)
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I love the hat too! It's not a style we see often on Margriet, but it really suits her!
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