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Old 03-29-2006, 09:45 AM
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According to 'De Telegraaf 'Nughter also offered the tapes to the newspapers, he gave a phonenumber where they could contact him, but it was disconnected. The sollicitor of Nughter could not confirm or deny the story.
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Old 03-29-2006, 11:55 AM
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Let's resurrect Sherlock Holmes and Dr Watson. They would solve the issue with the lost tapes.
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Old 03-30-2006, 05:39 PM
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Posted by Joris on the Benelux Royals MB:

Today Princess Margarita de Bourbon de Parme's lawsuit against her husband Dr. Edwin de Roy van Zuydewijn took place behind closed doors.
No comments.
Only comment by Edwin de R van Z: "I am glad I could say what I wanted to say." [ i.e. to the judge} ("Ik ben blij dat ik m'n zegje kon doen.")
Judge's verdict: 13 April.

Marengo: the courtcase is about the tapes. Margarita wants them back, Edwin says they were stolen.
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Old 03-30-2006, 06:31 PM
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It will be interesting to see how it all turns out.

Do you think it was a coincidence that they went to court today (when the official state visit to Argentina begins), or did Margarita deliberately pick this day, so as not to attract too much press attention?
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Old 03-31-2006, 02:57 PM
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I think the princess (or edwin) do not set the date but the court does. There were still enough reporters left though. Edwin arrived as a diva should arrive, surrounded by bodyguards.

According to 'Metro' newspaper the judge forbade him to make any public comments on the matter before the verdict. If he does he can be locked up in prison (theoretically).
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Old 04-01-2006, 08:17 AM
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I think the princess (or edwin) do not set the date but the court does. There were still enough reporters left though. Edwin arrived as a diva should arrive, surrounded by bodyguards.

According to 'Metro' newspaper the judge forbade him to make any public comments on the matter before the verdict. If he does he can be locked up in prison (theoretically).
If "common" people like you or I needed to appear in court, yes, we would go when we are told to. I was just guessing that maybe some "strings were pulled" to get this particular date, but you are probably right Marengo, it is just a coincidence.

What a laugh that Edwin would come with bodyguards, but then, I guess he has made lots of enemies (although he is probably his own worst enemy).
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Old 04-01-2006, 10:16 AM
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I think the princess (or edwin) do not set the date but the court does. There were still enough reporters left though. Edwin arrived as a diva should arrive, surrounded by bodyguards.
He probably liked the attention bodyguards would bring to him. Make him seem like a very important man worthy of extra protection.

I saw a picture of him arriving flanked by his bodyguards. He had that smirk on his face; it was very pompous.
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Old 04-01-2006, 10:46 AM
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He probably liked the attention bodyguards would bring to him. Make him seem like a very important man worthy of extra protection.

I saw a picture of him arriving flanked by his bodyguards. He had that smirk on his face; it was very pompous.
Yes, you're probably right. I think by now we can sure of the fact that Edwin would do anything to get attention.
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Old 04-07-2006, 12:04 AM
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Is there an update in this family feud?
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Old 04-07-2006, 01:00 AM
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Too bad Queen Beatrix can't go medieval at him :p
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Old 04-07-2006, 04:19 AM
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He was yesterday on television again

Henri M. of the Benelux Royal Message Board wrote a translation
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In 2002 Princess Magrarita de Bourbon de Parme, a daughter of Princess Irene of the Netherlands, went to Noordeinde Palace in The Hague to see her aunt and godmother Queen Beatrix. She has had a series of conversations with the Queen about the 'obstruction' the couple feels from the two royal families and from the administration, to break (the marriage with) Edwin de Roy van Zuydewijn. Princess Margarita has, without knowledge by her aunt, taped one of these conversations. Yesterday, in the television-program 'Barend & Van Dorp', her estranged husband Edwin de Roy van Zuydewijn revealed (parts of) the transcript.

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Queen Beatrix:
You have an unpleasant cause, and have written in your letter that you wanted to talk with me at first. I do not understand completely what this is all about?


Princess Margarita:
I already wanted to talk about this a number of times. I have told that there was a problem but back then we did not know how the situation was.
But for this reason I have asked for help but really nothing has come through. I have the feeling that you have not understood what kind of help I asked and why I have asked that to you.


Queen Beatrix:
You have asked no help at all. You have only accused. And falsely accused. Apart from the fact that you can not write down the names correctly and a few of this sort of things more. You have marched straightly to all and everything.... so I do not understand at all what you do mean.

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Queen Beatrix:
Do you not want to use such a tone to me, Margarita? For then you will not come very far with me. You have no any right to hurt people so. Who are you, at all, that you can use such a tone?

Princess Margarita:
I am just eavesdropped here.


Queen Beatrix:
You are just depicting that. Dou you really think that I have the right to let you eavesdropped without permission? I don't do that. I have never asked for it.


Princess Margarita:
Why does my mother admit it then? She has said it in her own words!


Queen Beatrix:
She has said to me that she has never stated so. You have it invented.


Princess Margarita:
That is totally not true. She has told me in her own words that this is a standard procedure.


Queen Beatrix:
Nonsense! It is nonsense, and you must say that against your mother, not against me. You are not eavesdropped. Moreover: why should we eavesdrop you? Honestly, you are not worth the trouble to get eavesdropped. And Edwin totally not at all. So about what should we let eavesdrop you? There must be a legal ground for that and I need permission of the minister. I even haven't made any effort to think about this at all. The two of you simply were absolutely unimportant.
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Princess Margarita:
Carlos [her eldest brother / HM] is so psychologically disturbed, that he has not only hit us once, but also placed us against the wall and grabbed us by our throat. He is not in order.
(…)

Queen Beatrix:
I do regret to hear that, but if you have a problem with Carlos, then you go to Carlos and you say it to Carlos. I have nothing to do with your story about Carlos. I have to do with what you have written to me, and that is no good, at no sides. It is totally of a tone.... Firstly you have written me a letter, in which...


Princess Margarita:
Yes, but...


Queen Beatrix:
May I just finish, Margarita? You have written a strictly personal and confidential letter, and then you send a copy to the minister-president. Which is absolutely too crazy.


Princess Margarita:
It goes about problems...


Queen Beatrix:
Too crazy. Moreover, as you write a confidential letter do not send a copy at the same time to the minister-president or whoever else. These are manners...unjust. It is unheard of! I'm really sorry, but your manners are not good in any case. You always and everywhere comes too late. You blame everybody about everything, while the blame, Margarita, is on you. As long as you do not to face that, you will continue to have problems Margarita. You make people unhappy. Everybody around you is unhappy. Do you never ask yourself how that is possible? You never ask that to yourself? You never ask yourself why everyone is in tears when they talk about you?

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Old 04-07-2006, 04:20 AM
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Princess Margarita:
I can prove all this.

Queen Beatrix:
Proofs? If you can not spell the name of Rhodius for once, and that is no chef of the Cabinet [the Kabinet der Koningin, the Queen's Office / HM] but the director of the Cabinet.


Princess Margarita:
Chef of the Cabinet... director of the Cabinet...


Queen Beatrix:
... sending forward correspondence and bank copies. He has never done that. He even can not do so, he does not have the right at all.


Princess Margarita:
Okay, may I then ask, how can a mrs. Rade [private secretary to Prince Carlos, Princess Margarita, Prince Jaime and Princess María Carolina / HM] come to me and burst out in tears by telling me that mr. Rhodius has telephoned her -how you do it write, I do not care about it at all, director of the Cabinet, okay.


Queen Beatrix:
I do not know if this is so. I know that the mr. Rhodius... he works for the Government.


Princess Margarita:
He works for the Government.


Queen Beatrix:
And for me.


Princess Margarita:
What does the Government have to do with my husband's banl copies?


Queen Beatrix:
Totally nothing at all. I am absolutely certain. Mr Rhodius has said so with his hand on his heart. And if this man is not honest, then nobody is honest in the world.


Princess Margarita:
Well, this, damn...


Queen Beatrix:
I do not need to hear that word from you. I am sorry Margarita, behave! Will you not curse?


Princess Margarita:
If my bank telephones out of the name of Noordeinde [Noordeinde Palace in The Hague / HM], I have told you, and I have asked: was it you?


Queen Beatrix:
I have not been it. And Noordeinde is not mr. Rhodius. And mr. Rhodius is not Noordeinde. You are busy with accusing people who have absolutely nothing to do with this.


Princess Margarita:
Dear Trix, I can not help it. I get information from someone who bursts out in tears because she finds it so awful to do illegal things she was requested to do.

Quote:
Queen Beatrix:
Are you totally crazed? Margarita, behave! You are really of such an "onhebbelijkheid" {typical Beatrixism for: "Not to have"] Unbelievably rude. Because you have developed a quantities-insanity.

Princess Margarita:
Quantities illusion?


Queen Beatrix:
Yes, quantities illusion. Because you think that you are eavesdropped. That you are so important that you have to place a crown on a castle, that you must invite Chirac [President Chirac of France / HM].


Princess Margarita:
A crown? How you get in your head that I use a coat-of-arms or not? Eavesdropped, Trix!


Queen Beatrix:
Perhaps you have invented it yourself. Because you find yourself so important.


Princess Margarita:
Damned!


Queen Beatrix:
See now, that there is a devil inside of you. No, I'm not an odd
person. Here is not the Margarita I know. Not the Margarita I do love.


Princess Margarita:
Then you must look better. You still do not believe whgat I have written you. And it is true! And again you are accusing me of quantities insanity.


Queen Beatrix:
I bring it to your attention that you are really standing outside of your shoes now. This tone is totally unacceptable and if you think that you can ever repair relationships without revoking these letters, then I think you have it wrong, so wrong. What an awfull mess have you made. You threat, you blackmail, you write untrue things.


Princess Margarita:
I write this to assure my own life, that dinally all things become calm again.

Quote:
Princess Margarita:
Why has the Rijksrecherche [the Kingdom's Investigation Department] went to the Building Fund [employer of Edwin / HM]?

Queen Beatrix:
Maybe there was a reason for that.


Princess Margarita:
Why is it inititated by mr. Rhodius. There is no reason for that, Trix, and that is...


Queen Beatrix:
... the Rijksrecherche is not initiated. You really do not understand anything about the Dutch constitutional relationships.


Princess Margarita:
Perhaps they only say: from Noordeinde


Queen Beatrix:
Noordeinde and mr. Rhodius are two totally different things. But as long as you do not know the constitutional relations. Yet this is now for the last time and moreover, I will aim for... Why do you not try to get back to normal relationships? You would do a great pleasure with that.

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Old 04-07-2006, 05:23 AM
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Wow! Thank you The Watcher. Did Edwin really think this recorded conversation would embarass the Royal House? It just shows how formidable Queen Beatrix is, and how Margarita's "poor pity me" act went down like a lead balloon.
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I was so relieved when I read this transcript! I agree with you Warren, what a woman ! Her way of reasoning is firm, logical and makes a lot of sense. Margarita seems totally paranoide, and I think the Queen was right when she referred to it as an sort of insanity.
Good to see how strict the Queen is in language as well, not allowing cursing etc!

That this caused so much upheavel on the forehand, much ado about nothing I would say (as in, what was said is not shocking for HM), of course it is repulsive that it was taped and published. I hope Margarita's lawyers will sue Barend & van Dorp for this. They supposedly received the transcript in their mailbox (it s a television programme) and called the fake baron during the show, if the transcript was true or not. He referred to the Queen as 'Trix'.
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WoW! As usual the Queen handled with situation gracefully. Nice of her to point out that this the Margarita that is talking to her is not the one she loves! It really makes the Princess look bad...how tacky is it to tape your aunt (okay..who happens to be Queen) on what should be a private conversation. I don't know about the laws in Netherlands..but here in Maryland, USA..if you tape a conversation without the other party knowing about it...its a criminial offense..something I learned from the Monica situation :)
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The gall of Margarita to accuse the Queen of instigating "eavesdropping" of her and Edwin, while secretly tape-recording their private conversation!

Poor Margarita must today be cringing in embarrassment, and/or hiding her head in shame.
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Thanks The Watcher for this translation. It was quite the interesting read!

I agree that only Margarita suffers from the bad rep from it and that the Queen comes through all of this shiny as a new penny. I think she made some very valid points to Margarita, such as that the palace has no reason to evesdrop on Margarita and on Edwin even less or that if she has a problem with her brother then it should be taken up with him and not the Queen.

I think what also comes out is that even though the Queen was very angry and very firm with Margarita, her love for her niece is evident, like when she tells her that the devil is inside of her and the Margarita before her is not the one she loves.
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I totally agree with you Alexandria.
thanks The Watcher.
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Although the transcript is an interesting read, this should have remained unpublished!
Beatrix handled the situation very gracefully, but the publication is very bad for Margarita. Just by reading you get the idea that she was not in a very good mental state, who would be with such an husband?
Now she's almost over this difficult period in her life suddenly these transcripts are published. Perhaps it is an deliberate attempt by Edwin to hurt his (almost) former wife.
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Without a doubt Edwin is doing this to hurt his wife and to bring shame on the House of Orange. The only person who looks bad though is his wife.
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