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Old 12-30-2005, 08:47 PM
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Thanks for the thoughtful posts Alexandria and Kelly9480.

I admit I know little about Irene and Carlos Hugo, but I agree with you Kelly9480 that something happened in that family to make Margarita vulnerable to a predator like Edwin. It does seem that Irene & Carlos Hugo were too absorbed in their own lives to offer much to their children. And Alexandria made an excellent point about Edwin isolating Margarita from her family & friends so that he would have more control over her.

Maybe someone who knows more about Irene can help out here. I could never figure out if, that by marrying Carlos Hugo, she was an ambitious woman hoping to be Queen of Spain one day or whether, like her daughter, she was simply vulnerable & fell under her husband's spell.

By the way, Wikipedia gives an interesting account of Irene's marriage, although I'm not sure how accurate it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Princes...he_Netherlands
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Thanks for the thoughtful posts Alexandria and Kelly9480.

I admit I know little about Irene and Carlos Hugo, but I agree with you Kelly9480 that something happened in that family to make Margarita vulnerable to a predator like Edwin. It does seem that Irene & Carlos Hugo were too absorbed in their own lives to offer much to their children. And Alexandria made an excellent point about Edwin isolating Margarita from her family & friends so that he would have more control over her.

Maybe someone who knows more about Irene can help out here. I could never figure out if, that by marrying Carlos Hugo, she was an ambitious woman hoping to be Queen of Spain one day or whether, like her daughter, she was simply vulnerable & fell under her husband's spell.
I don't think either was the case. Irene simply was someone who met a man she fell in love with, it was Carlos Hugo's parents who were the more ambitious as far as wanting him to succeed to the throne and they really pushed for the marriage. ( There was prestige in the fact that Irene was the daughter of a reigning monarch) They also totally antagonised Queen Juliana and Prince Bernhard when they came to the Netherlands as they made themselves at home in the Dutch palaces. Irene and Carlos Hugo didn't have children for 6 years after they were married and during the 1960's enjoyed being part of the European jetset. ( After it was more than apparent that the Spanish throne would go to Juan Carlos) Irene and CH's first child was born in 1970 so undoubtably by the time they had children they were ready for them although the marriage was over by 1980, but Irene and CH remained on such good terms that Carlos Hugo is invited to all the Dutch family celebrations such as weddings. ( Unlike Princess Christina's former husband who was totally cut off, he also was very controlling and demeaning to his wife)

Irene's and CH's other children have not turned out to be such sensitive souls as Margarita, her twin Jaime works for Dutch foreign office and in the last few years has had postings in Kabul and Baghdad. Her younger sister Maria Carolina has worked in the Middle East I think in Palestinian refugee camps. Brother Carlos works in finance in Brussels, Margarita was more artistic and trained to be an Interior designer. (Carlos' other claim to notoriety was that in 1997 he agreed to father a child with a former girlfriend who wanted a child. He called it his 'gift' the agreement they came to was that he would not officially recognise this child as his. He may not even have any contact with the boy, also named Carlos)
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Old 01-04-2006, 11:52 AM
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What surprises me is that there is a lot of attention for the romanov connection. The popular press mentioned that beatrix refused to cooperate with DNA research about the romanov family because was 'afraid' that the investigation would prove that Wilhelmina didn't descend from the Romanov's, so we could conclude that she wasn't a daughter from King Willem III. Everyone forgets that Prince Hendrik, father of queen Juliana and husband of queen Wilhelmina also was a descendant of the Romanov's, his great-grandmother was a sister of Anna Pavlovna the grandmother of Wilhelmina.

On the BRMB a well informed poster mentioned that the DNA-researchers hired by de Roy want to prove that Wilhelmina isn't a daughter from Queen Emma........ do they ever stop with the nonsense?
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Old 01-04-2006, 12:02 PM
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Very strange news indeed!!! They are trying to make Wilhelmina some kind of dutch Moses (or Mosefina in this case)? Anyway, the lawyer that wass contacted by the dutch poster (Henri M) who posted this on the Benelux Royals MB definately said that Wilhelmina was not the daughter of Jhr. De Rantiz, so that nonsense is settled. Wilhelmina resembled her mother so much, I find this story very, very unlikely. And even when it is 'proven', it will be considered so shady that nobody will believe it anyway.
The (few) republicans are really desparate that they do not have any other material to 'fight' the RF on, so they invent things like this.
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Old 01-04-2006, 12:18 PM
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republicans (the dutch ones) are not the desperate kind, they are usually very rational and intelligent.

The only ones who are interested in this rather sordid and sad story are monarchists.

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Very strange news indeed!!! They are trying to make Wilhelmina some kind of dutch Moses (or Mosefina in this case)? Anyway, the lawyer that wass contacted by the dutch poster (Henri M) who posted this on the Benelux Royals MB definately said that Wilhelmina was not the daughter of Jhr. De Rantiz, so that nonsense is settled. Wilhelmina resembled her mother so much, I find this story very, very unlikely. And even when it is 'proven', it will be considered so shady that nobody will believe it anyway.
The (few) republicans are really desparate that they do not have any other material to 'fight' the RF on, so they invent things like this.
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What is so intelligent of getting DNA samples to prove that Wilhelmina is not the daughter of Emma?
I agree that usually they are intelligent and base their opinion on facts and principles, but this action is just to weird.
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as I understand it it was margarita who allowed a sample to be taken from her and I disagree with the posting of alexandria in # 79 where the story seems a bit like little red riding hood and the big bad wolf. The moment she participated it was plain that a bit of moral fiber is lacking in that woman. It does not matter that her parents are divorced etc. as other members seem to think. she has been surrounded by many wonderful people while growing up and has had good examples in her life and I think the main responsibility of what is happening now lies with her.

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What is so intelligent of getting DNA samples to prove that Wilhelmina is not the daughter of Emma?
I agree that usually they are intelligent and base their opinion on facts and principles, but this action is just to weird.
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I just read in a german magazine ( :p ), that there is a book written by a dutch journalist released in the netherlands, where he's speculating if willem alexander is the son of beatrix and claus.
He's writing about a guy called richard leakey from africa who looks like alex, and who could be the father of the prince....
is this really true? is this book existing?

I just cannot belive. This are such silly rumors by that autor....
Willem Alexander looks so much like his father claus......

I hate those writers who make stupid rumors just to become famous.
does anyone know anything about this author?
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Why almost every paternity demand is in the Netherlands or the UK?
You never hear things like that in Norway, Spain or Belgium for example
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Did anybody else see Edwin de Roy on television yesterday at 'Barend en van Dorp'? Apparently he was summoned by his wife & the sollicitor, Mr. Kemper to give back the tapes, which are considered property of the Princess. He alse has to deny that she ever gave any DNA-samples. Edwin has a weblog now where he shows this letter and his reply: www.hypocrietofniet.nl

http://www.nu.nl/news.jsp?n=684064&c=63

He was vague about any offers of money that were made and he stated again that he wanted his wife back. According to his own words he is doing everything for the benefit of the country.


Today Margarita apologised again to her family, for betraying their trust. She said she behaved very badly, in dutch:

http://www.nu.nl/news/684233/63/Marg...ehoorlijk.html
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Old 02-28-2006, 08:10 PM
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I just read in a german magazine ( :p ), that there is a book written by a dutch journalist released in the netherlands, where he's speculating if willem alexander is the son of beatrix and claus.
He's writing about a guy called richard leakey from africa who looks like alex, and who could be the father of the prince....
is this really true? is this book existing?

I just cannot belive. This are such silly rumors by that autor....
Willem Alexander looks so much like his father claus......

I hate those writers who make stupid rumors just to become famous.
does anyone know anything about this author?
I have vaguely heard of the book, but nobody paid attention to it I think. The book didn't sell very well either :)
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It's very similar to when Marina Mowatt turned on her parents, Princess Alexandra and Angus Ogilvy, some years back. Except that in her case the husband went quietly.

Surely people listening to Edwin state he was "doing everything for the benefit of the country" burst out laughing.
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Edwin say that he will settle for 2 million euros (the things he doies for the benifit of the state ) But the public information service announced in a letter that he won't receive a penny, neither did tyhe RF ever propose a settlement.
According to 'De Telegraaf' the self-proclaimed DNA-researcher Peter Nugter has DNA samples of Margarita in his safe., They were given to him by Edwin and contain underwear, some hairs and saliva (?)/spit. It was the chairman of the republican society who introduced Nugter to Edwin.
According to Mr. Kemper, sollicitor of Margarita, the princess did speak to Nugter, but never gave him any DNA-samples, and refused to cooperate. So they obtained those in an illegal way.
According to the newspaper they want to show that Beatrix is not a descendant of King Willem I (!), so I assume they obtained DNA-sample from one of his other descendants?
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think I read in the telegraaf that de roy claims margarita and he gave her underwear to the "dna man", how unbelievable is that, if she cooperated a bit of saliva would have been enough (so I was mistaken about her cooperating as I thought earlier).



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Edwin say that he will settle for 2 million euros (the things he doies for the benifit of the state ) But the public information service announced in a letter that he won't receive a penny, neither did tyhe RF ever propose a settlement.
According to 'De Telegraaf' the self-proclaimed DNA-researcher Peter Nugter has DNA samples of Margarita in his safe., They were given to him by Edwin and contain underwear, some hairs and saliva (?)/spit. It was the chairman of the republican society who introduced Nugter to Edwin.
According to Mr. Kemper, sollicitor of Margarita, the princess did speak to Nugter, but never gave him any DNA-samples, and refused to cooperate. So they obtained those in an illegal way.
According to the newspaper they want to show that Beatrix is not a descendant of King Willem I (!), so I assume they obtained DNA-sample from one of his other descendants?
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Edwin say that he will settle for 2 million euros (the things he doies for the benifit of the state ) But the public information service announced in a letter that he won't receive a penny, neither did tyhe RF ever propose a settlement.
According to 'De Telegraaf' the self-proclaimed DNA-researcher Peter Nugter has DNA samples of Margarita in his safe., They were given to him by Edwin and contain underwear, some hairs and saliva (?)/spit. It was the chairman of the republican society who introduced Nugter to Edwin.
According to Mr. Kemper, sollicitor of Margarita, the princess did speak to Nugter, but never gave him any DNA-samples, and refused to cooperate. So they obtained those in an illegal way.
According to the newspaper they want to show that Beatrix is not a descendant of King Willem I (!), so I assume they obtained DNA-sample from one of his other descendants?
De Telegraaf is wrong, they want to show that Wilhelmina is not the daughter of Queen Emma (but why?), more info http://www.allthingsroyal.nl/forum/i...ndpost&p=19261 (in Dutch)
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think I read in the telegraaf that de roy claims margarita and he gave her underwear to the "dna man", how unbelievable is that, if she cooperated a bit of saliva would have been enough (so I was mistaken about her cooperating as I thought earlier).
I was wondering about the same thing. And 'De Telegraaf'claims to have this information from the DNA-man himself. As mr. Nugter didn't deny it elsewhere I assume 'de Telegraaf'is right.

I think the DNA experiment won't be harmfull for the RF btw, even if Nugter claims that there are no DNA-matches I think not many will take that seriously (even if he is right).

IMO the most harmfull thing can be the tapes of the Queen, especially if she said things which are not in line with her constitutional role.

It is funny that on monday Edwin said in that programme that he hoped that Margarita will come back to him while yesterday and today informations tards spreading that he will divorce if he gets 2 million euros!!!

According to some on the Benelux royals MB, the reason why the couple didn''t divorce yet is that Margarita will have more possibilities to claim her tapes/ saliva (and underwear) back while she is still married.

What do you/other people here think would be the best strategy of the court? Just settle (though it will be a public settlement as Edwin isn;t very good in keeping things to himself) or sue (and risk the possibility of losing)?

PS. Pieter and Margriet were so right in their interview with 'de Volkskrant'that you have to be very carefull in selecting your partner in marriage, especially in this family!
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De Telegraaf is wrong, they want to show that Wilhelmina is not the daughter of Queen Emma (but why?), more info http://www.allthingsroyal.nl/forum/i...ndpost&p=19261 (in Dutch)
I find that such a strange story, I wonder what caused them to research this. It doesn't sound very credible, especially as Wilhelmina was born when her half-brother and heir were still alive and IF the court was so desperate to get a spare they would surely have selected a boy instead of a girl.

I wonder how he can prove his point. Does he need DNA-samples from various descendants of Queen Emma's siblings? I don't think the Abel-Smith family will cooperate, considering Queen Beatrix (and especially Queen Juliana) was (/is?) close to them. I can not imagine the princely family of Wied (descended from Emma's sister, Queen Pauline of Wurttemberg) , the dukes of Saxe-Coburg, the RF of Sweden, or the Waldeck-Pyrmont family will cooperate either. And I assume to prove his point, Nugter needs DNA-samplss from descendants of at least two of Emma's siblings.
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I do not think that what anyone says in the privacy of their home can be held against you, she could have been tired or in a bad mood when saying something that might be considered controversial.

I would not give him money first of all because it is just not right and secondly people will wonder how terrible it must be what she said if they do.

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I was wondering about the same thing. And 'De Telegraaf'claims to have this information from the DNA-man himself. As mr. Nugter didn't deny it elsewhere I assume 'de Telegraaf'is right.

I think the DNA experiment won't be harmfull for the RF btw, even if Nugter claims that there are no DNA-matches I think not many will take that seriously (even if he is right).

IMO the most harmfull thing can be the tapes of the Queen, especially if she said things which are not in line with her constitutional role.

It is funny that on monday Edwin said in that programme that he hoped that Margarita will come back to him while yesterday and today informations tards spreading that he will divorce if he gets 2 million euros!!!

According to some on the Benelux royals MB, the reason why the couple didn''t divorce yet is that Margarita will have more possibilities to claim her tapes/ saliva (and underwear) back while she is still married.

What do you/other people here think would be the best strategy of the court? Just settle (though it will be a public settlement as Edwin isn;t very good in keeping things to himself) or sue (and risk the possibility of losing)?

PS. Pieter and Margriet were so right in their interview with 'de Volkskrant'that you have to be very carefull in selecting your partner in marriage, especially in this family!
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here is a picture of margarita i have made myself at the baptise of little alexia in wassenaar, it looks like she is back in the family!
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I think Edwin should be locked up. That man is just insane in the brain. What is he trying to prove? All those silly presumptions. I think it's a good thing that the DRF doesn't want to give him a penny. I agree with susan alicia on that matter.
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