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Old 05-15-2012, 02:28 PM
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In general I would say being royal probably counts as much against the person as it counts for them in the marriage market. Would you not think very carefully before marrying into a royal family, no matter how much you might love that person, knowing that your whole life(and that of your relatives) will be open to inspection and criticism and misintrepretation? Even if you came from a noble or royal family today would you not think twice before marrying an heir to the throne or a reigning monarch knowing how much you would have to give up?
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:43 PM
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Most of the couples discussed in this thread got married in the 50:ies and 60:ies when the media attention and scrutiny was not as fierce as it is today. Then royals could live a more private life than it is possible today and there was not the kind of media interest in royal girlfriends/boyfriends as today. Of course there were photos and articles speculating about possible royal partners, but I think the first ones who really landed in the full media glare was Silvia Sommerlath and Diana Spencer.
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Old 05-15-2012, 03:43 PM
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Daniel and Victoria - It would not have mattered to him if she was the plumber's daughter. They are in love.
Henrik and Margrethe - They would have married regardless.
Philip and Elizabeth - She is in love with Philip and he her. I don't think he shows it outwardly. Of course, I do think he would have loved to have had a long Naval career with him "bringing home the bacon".
Constantine and Anne-Marie - i have my doubts that he woudl have married her if she wasn't a Danish princess. But they do seem happy after decades together.
Juan Carlos and Sofia - Nope they would not have married. I do thnk they care about each other, but romantic love has not been a part of their lives for a very long time.
Pavlos and Marie Chantal - doubt he would have married her if her father weren't so rich. although I do think they are in love with each other now and it shows.
Ranier and Grace nope, he would have just picked a different actress/star. He needed someone that could draw attention to Monaco.
Antony and Margaret Nope, she would have married the previous fellow
Haakon & MM - doesn't matter what their titles, they love each other and it shows.
Fred & Mary - Yes, they would have married, but her moving to Denmark would not have happened, he would have had to move to Australia.
Harold & Sonja - yes, they have had that spark since the beginning
Silvia & Carl-Gustaf - Yes, same as Harold & Sonja

princess gertrude, I agree with all your statements
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Old 05-15-2012, 03:55 PM
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What about HGD Guillaume & Countess Stéphanie de Lannoy?
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Old 05-15-2012, 04:05 PM
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What about HGD Guillaume & Countess Stéphanie de Lannoy?
I feel as though only time will tell on this one; the circumstances certainly seem a bit suspicious at the moment (everything seemed to happen rather quickly, and it seems more than a bit convenient that she provides the noble pedigree his own mother so famously lacks), but for all we know they could be completely over the moon about one another! Or, at the very least, grow into being quite compatible companions.
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Old 05-15-2012, 06:21 PM
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I doubt anyone of the couples would have married simply because we are all a product of our family, culture, up-bringing, education and socio-economic class. If anyone had been born into different circumstances they would certainly also have become different people.
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Old 05-15-2012, 06:57 PM
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Do you think Kate would've married William if he were a plain and broke?
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:01 PM
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Do you think Kate would've married William if he were a plain and broke?
Generally I think she would have wanted to be with him anyway, but I am not sure about her final decision, if she had been taken some advice from her family members etc.
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:14 PM
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I think they would have married sooner had not the "royal" thing and duties got in the way. Their life would have been a lot easier without having to deal with the press.
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:30 PM
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Do you think Kate would've married William if he were a plain and broke?
To qualify what you asking, I think she might very well have married him if he was a poor university student, but he had prospects for a good position afterwards. Or if he was already working as a rescue helicopter pilot - where they could have a middle-class background - you know, live in a farmhouse in Wales, and she could shop at Tesco to make him homemade dinners - like that.

But would she have married him if he was 'broke' - not going to university, no prospects, not even looking for a job? No, I don't think so - I wouldn't marry such a man nor would most women.

Would she have married him if he was plain? Well, I like to think almost no one is so hung up on another person's looks that they dismiss having a relationship with that person because of their looks.

Besides, he's already going quite bald and he's not even 30 yet, so while very pleasant looking, it's really not as if he has hot movie star looks now....
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Old 05-15-2012, 07:34 PM
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So I wanted to get people's opinions on these couples (and others). Do you think the men would have married the women if they weren't in the positions that they were in?

Daniel and Victoria (if she wasn't the crown princess)
Henrik and Margrethe (if she wasn't the crown princess)
Philip and Elizabeth (if she wasn't the heiress apparent)
Constantine and Anne-Marie (if she wasn't a Danish princess)
Juan Carlos and Sofia (if she wasn't a Greek princess)
Pavlos and Marie Chantal (if she wasn't as wealthy as she is)
Ranier and Grace (is she hadn't been an actress)
Antony and Margaret (if she wasn't the Queen's sister)

I don't think so.
The only one I think is a possibility is Daniel and Victoria, and I have doubts about that; even if he wasn't that impressed by her position at first, I think he'd have been dazzled when he realized she liked him and was willing to have a relationship.

But I believe the others married for status or money.
That's not to say many of the marriages were not successful, but for some love wasn't the primary motivation.
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Old 05-15-2012, 08:09 PM
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Never heard that, and why would he?
The father of the groom asking for money is a bit weird, at least like I said it wasn't Pavlos who asked her for it.
That was a story around for many many years. And yes, a proper dowry would have been asked in those times in that type of society. A bride would always give a dowry. The bigger the dowry the bigger the social standing. The groom never received the dowry, his family enjoyed it.
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Philip married for position and money. His title was worthless. But, he cares for Elizabeth and he is loyal to the idea of monarchy and to her. He just had hoped, early on, that he would have more time, before she became queen. His outside affairs, have been very discreet. He needed stability, but he also wanted the "good stuff", too.
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Old 05-15-2012, 09:17 PM
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. His outside affairs, have been very discreet.
So discreet in fact that they have never been proven. Sarah Bradford, the biographer, who once claimed he had had affairs now says that she was wrong.
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Old 05-16-2012, 03:50 AM
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It is a source of major irritation for me that such spurious claims can be made on an "off topic" thread which largely cuts the right of reply. I know many "journalists" have made allusions over the last few decades but strangely enough, in all these years of marriage, not one itty bitty love note let alone letter have surfaced.

Hmm. Could it be that it is because there aren't any? Could it be that he has had a very full life and whilst Elizabeth was head of the Country, he was head of the house and ruled in the same manner that Albert did in the time of Victoria.
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Old 05-16-2012, 10:40 AM
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Lets stay on topic and cut the speculative discussion on "affairs" that haven't been proven.

Any and all speculative posts will be deleted without notice.
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Old 05-20-2012, 04:36 PM
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I think Catherine wouldn't have been married William if he wasn't a prince. And also the same with Charles, if Diana wasn't a daughter of an Earl.
Maybe Andrew and Sarah, too. I am not sure.
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I think Catherine wouldn't have been married William if he wasn't a prince. And also the same with Charles, if Diana wasn't a daughter of an Earl.
Maybe Andrew and Sarah, too. I am not sure.
I think Kate would have still married William if he were not a Prince but a noble, aristocrat, or just someone who has achieved something in his life. If he were a jobless, penniless person, or even someone on low to medium income - then probably no.

I agree about Charles and Diana, but I also find it extremely unlikely Diana would have ever married Charles if he weren't the Prince of Wales; I doubt she ever loved the man she dated and married - just the Prince from her dreams.

Andrew and Sarah would have probably married anyway.
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Actually I doubt Sarah would have married Lt Andrew Windsor. He might have fallen in love with her but I think she fell in love with a prince.
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Isn't this the Would he have married her thread?
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