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Old 05-14-2012, 11:58 PM
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I was just digging around through some old threads when I found this one. I had completely forgotten about it!

Any new opinions on these couples?

Ranier and Grace (is she hadn't been an actress)
If she had not been an actress brought to his palace by Paris Match they would never have met so no, they would never have married. Miss Grace Kelly of Philadelphia would never have met HSH The Prince of Monaco if she had stayed in Philly and been daddys weakest link. She probably would have married some nice local lawyer or executive and no one would ever have known she existed.
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Where is the other thread asking would "she" have married "him"
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Old 05-15-2012, 01:52 AM
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Would Ari Behn have married princess Marha Louise had she not been royalty? Any opinions?
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:39 AM
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Would Ari Behn have married princess Marha Louise had she not been royalty? Any opinions?
I dont think so - Ari is all about testing boundaries or breaking rules or customs. I think it played a part for him that he as the wild taboo breaking author (as he likes to see himself) was breaking traditions when marrying a princess (but a wild or odd one suiting him, not a traditional one).
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:41 AM
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I was just digging around through some old threads when I found this one. I had completely forgotten about it!
Any new opinions on these couples?
Daniel and Victoria (if she wasn't the crown princess)
Henrik and Margrethe (if she wasn't the crown princess)
Philip and Elizabeth (if she wasn't the heiress apparent)
Constantine and Anne-Marie (if she wasn't a Danish princess)
Juan Carlos and Sofia (if she wasn't a Greek princess)
Pavlos and Marie Chantal (if she wasn't as wealthy as she is)
Ranier and Grace (is she hadn't been an actress)
Antony and Margaret (if she wasn't the Queen's sister)
Daniel and Victoria - definitely yes. As far as I can see, that's a love match.
Henrik and Margrethe - I think so.

Philip and Elizabeth - unlikely if she were a commoner, but if just a noble or princess, then yes. Elizabeth was never Heiress Apparent though - just heiress presumptive.
Pavlos and Marie Chantal - no idea. Everyone appears to think the marriage was out of money concerns on his part, but from what I can see, they are genuinely happy.
Constantine and Anne-Marie - unlikely.

Antony and Margaret - no.
Juan Carlos and Sofia - no. I'm afraid I don't see this as a love match on any level.
Ranier and Grace - definitely no. Ranier needed to bring Hollywood glamour to Monaco, and Grace wasn't even the first start he set eyes on.
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Daniel and Victoria (if she wasn't the crown princess)
Henrik and Margrethe (if she wasn't the crown princess)
Philip and Elizabeth (if she wasn't the heiress apparent)
Constantine and Anne-Marie (if she wasn't a Danish princess)
Juan Carlos and Sofia (if she wasn't a Greek princess)
Pavlos and Marie Chantal (if she wasn't as wealthy as she is)
Ranier and Grace (is she hadn't been an actress)
Antony and Margaret (if she wasn't the Queen's sister)
Daniel and Victoria - yes, regardless if she was royal, titled or commoner
Henrik and Margarethe - yes, her being royal or titled and possibly if her being commoner; Margarethe would have been a good spouse for a diplomat and Henrik would have loved to be the "head of the family"
Philip and Elizabeth - yes, her being royal or titled, not if her being commoner; I think Philip would have liked to continue his naval career and a wife who was a minor royal or the daughter of a titled family would have been a suitable spouse for him career-wise (and he would have loved to be "the head of the family")
Constantine and Anne-Marie - yes, if she had some kind of (German) royal title, no if only titled or a commoner; queen Frederica would never have accepted a non-royal daugher-in-law and regardless how much Constantine loved Anne-Marie I doubt he would go against his mother's wishes when it came to choice of wife
Juan Carlos and Sofia - no (nor would Sofia have been allowed to marry someone who wasn't royal, reason see above)
Pavlos and Marie Chantal - probably no
Rainier and Grace - no; Rainier needed a spouse who would bring attention to Monaco, a woman who was a famous, especially in the U.S.
Anthony and Margaret - probably yes if she had been titled (or a minor royal), not so sure if she had been a commoner
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In general I would say being royal probably counts as much against the person as it counts for them in the marriage market. Would you not think very carefully before marrying into a royal family, no matter how much you might love that person, knowing that your whole life(and that of your relatives) will be open to inspection and criticism and misintrepretation? Even if you came from a noble or royal family today would you not think twice before marrying an heir to the throne or a reigning monarch knowing how much you would have to give up?
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Daniel and Victoria - It would not have mattered to him if she was the plumber's daughter. They are in love.
Henrik and Margrethe - They would have married regardless.
Philip and Elizabeth - She is in love with Philip and he her. I don't think he shows it outwardly. Of course, I do think he would have loved to have had a long Naval career with him "bringing home the bacon".
Constantine and Anne-Marie - i have my doubts that he woudl have married her if she wasn't a Danish princess. But they do seem happy after decades together.
Juan Carlos and Sofia - Nope they would not have married. I do thnk they care about each other, but romantic love has not been a part of their lives for a very long time.
Pavlos and Marie Chantal - doubt he would have married her if her father weren't so rich. although I do think they are in love with each other now and it shows.
Ranier and Grace nope, he would have just picked a different actress/star. He needed someone that could draw attention to Monaco.
Antony and Margaret Nope, she would have married the previous fellow
Haakon & MM - doesn't matter what their titles, they love each other and it shows.
Fred & Mary - Yes, they would have married, but her moving to Denmark would not have happened, he would have had to move to Australia.
Harold & Sonja - yes, they have had that spark since the beginning
Silvia & Carl-Gustaf - Yes, same as Harold & Sonja
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Old 05-15-2012, 01:28 PM
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In general I would say being royal probably counts as much against the person as it counts for them in the marriage market. Would you not think very carefully before marrying into a royal family, no matter how much you might love that person, knowing that your whole life(and that of your relatives) will be open to inspection and criticism and misintrepretation? Even if you came from a noble or royal family today would you not think twice before marrying an heir to the throne or a reigning monarch knowing how much you would have to give up?
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Most of the couples discussed in this thread got married in the 50:ies and 60:ies when the media attention and scrutiny was not as fierce as it is today. Then royals could live a more private life than it is possible today and there was not the kind of media interest in royal girlfriends/boyfriends as today. Of course there were photos and articles speculating about possible royal partners, but I think the first ones who really landed in the full media glare was Silvia Sommerlath and Diana Spencer.
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Old 05-15-2012, 02:43 PM
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Daniel and Victoria - It would not have mattered to him if she was the plumber's daughter. They are in love.
Henrik and Margrethe - They would have married regardless.
Philip and Elizabeth - She is in love with Philip and he her. I don't think he shows it outwardly. Of course, I do think he would have loved to have had a long Naval career with him "bringing home the bacon".
Constantine and Anne-Marie - i have my doubts that he woudl have married her if she wasn't a Danish princess. But they do seem happy after decades together.
Juan Carlos and Sofia - Nope they would not have married. I do thnk they care about each other, but romantic love has not been a part of their lives for a very long time.
Pavlos and Marie Chantal - doubt he would have married her if her father weren't so rich. although I do think they are in love with each other now and it shows.
Ranier and Grace nope, he would have just picked a different actress/star. He needed someone that could draw attention to Monaco.
Antony and Margaret Nope, she would have married the previous fellow
Haakon & MM - doesn't matter what their titles, they love each other and it shows.
Fred & Mary - Yes, they would have married, but her moving to Denmark would not have happened, he would have had to move to Australia.
Harold & Sonja - yes, they have had that spark since the beginning
Silvia & Carl-Gustaf - Yes, same as Harold & Sonja

princess gertrude, I agree with all your statements
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What about HGD Guillaume & Countess Stéphanie de Lannoy?
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What about HGD Guillaume & Countess Stéphanie de Lannoy?
I feel as though only time will tell on this one; the circumstances certainly seem a bit suspicious at the moment (everything seemed to happen rather quickly, and it seems more than a bit convenient that she provides the noble pedigree his own mother so famously lacks), but for all we know they could be completely over the moon about one another! Or, at the very least, grow into being quite compatible companions.
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I doubt anyone of the couples would have married simply because we are all a product of our family, culture, up-bringing, education and socio-economic class. If anyone had been born into different circumstances they would certainly also have become different people.
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Do you think Kate would've married William if he were a plain and broke?
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Do you think Kate would've married William if he were a plain and broke?
Generally I think she would have wanted to be with him anyway, but I am not sure about her final decision, if she had been taken some advice from her family members etc.
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I think they would have married sooner had not the "royal" thing and duties got in the way. Their life would have been a lot easier without having to deal with the press.
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Old 05-15-2012, 06:30 PM
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Do you think Kate would've married William if he were a plain and broke?
To qualify what you asking, I think she might very well have married him if he was a poor university student, but he had prospects for a good position afterwards. Or if he was already working as a rescue helicopter pilot - where they could have a middle-class background - you know, live in a farmhouse in Wales, and she could shop at Tesco to make him homemade dinners - like that.

But would she have married him if he was 'broke' - not going to university, no prospects, not even looking for a job? No, I don't think so - I wouldn't marry such a man nor would most women.

Would she have married him if he was plain? Well, I like to think almost no one is so hung up on another person's looks that they dismiss having a relationship with that person because of their looks.

Besides, he's already going quite bald and he's not even 30 yet, so while very pleasant looking, it's really not as if he has hot movie star looks now....
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So I wanted to get people's opinions on these couples (and others). Do you think the men would have married the women if they weren't in the positions that they were in?

Daniel and Victoria (if she wasn't the crown princess)
Henrik and Margrethe (if she wasn't the crown princess)
Philip and Elizabeth (if she wasn't the heiress apparent)
Constantine and Anne-Marie (if she wasn't a Danish princess)
Juan Carlos and Sofia (if she wasn't a Greek princess)
Pavlos and Marie Chantal (if she wasn't as wealthy as she is)
Ranier and Grace (is she hadn't been an actress)
Antony and Margaret (if she wasn't the Queen's sister)

I don't think so.
The only one I think is a possibility is Daniel and Victoria, and I have doubts about that; even if he wasn't that impressed by her position at first, I think he'd have been dazzled when he realized she liked him and was willing to have a relationship.

But I believe the others married for status or money.
That's not to say many of the marriages were not successful, but for some love wasn't the primary motivation.
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Never heard that, and why would he?
The father of the groom asking for money is a bit weird, at least like I said it wasn't Pavlos who asked her for it.
That was a story around for many many years. And yes, a proper dowry would have been asked in those times in that type of society. A bride would always give a dowry. The bigger the dowry the bigger the social standing. The groom never received the dowry, his family enjoyed it.
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