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Old 05-15-2012, 07:56 PM
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Philip married for position and money. His title was worthless. But, he cares for Elizabeth and he is loyal to the idea of monarchy and to her. He just had hoped, early on, that he would have more time, before she became queen. His outside affairs, have been very discreet. He needed stability, but he also wanted the "good stuff", too.
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Old 05-15-2012, 08:17 PM
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. His outside affairs, have been very discreet.
So discreet in fact that they have never been proven. Sarah Bradford, the biographer, who once claimed he had had affairs now says that she was wrong.
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Old 05-16-2012, 02:50 AM
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It is a source of major irritation for me that such spurious claims can be made on an "off topic" thread which largely cuts the right of reply. I know many "journalists" have made allusions over the last few decades but strangely enough, in all these years of marriage, not one itty bitty love note let alone letter have surfaced.

Hmm. Could it be that it is because there aren't any? Could it be that he has had a very full life and whilst Elizabeth was head of the Country, he was head of the house and ruled in the same manner that Albert did in the time of Victoria.
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Old 05-16-2012, 09:40 AM
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Lets stay on topic and cut the speculative discussion on "affairs" that haven't been proven.

Any and all speculative posts will be deleted without notice.
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I think Catherine wouldn't have been married William if he wasn't a prince. And also the same with Charles, if Diana wasn't a daughter of an Earl.
Maybe Andrew and Sarah, too. I am not sure.
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Old 05-20-2012, 03:45 PM
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I think Catherine wouldn't have been married William if he wasn't a prince. And also the same with Charles, if Diana wasn't a daughter of an Earl.
Maybe Andrew and Sarah, too. I am not sure.
I think Kate would have still married William if he were not a Prince but a noble, aristocrat, or just someone who has achieved something in his life. If he were a jobless, penniless person, or even someone on low to medium income - then probably no.

I agree about Charles and Diana, but I also find it extremely unlikely Diana would have ever married Charles if he weren't the Prince of Wales; I doubt she ever loved the man she dated and married - just the Prince from her dreams.

Andrew and Sarah would have probably married anyway.
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Actually I doubt Sarah would have married Lt Andrew Windsor. He might have fallen in love with her but I think she fell in love with a prince.
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Old 05-20-2012, 04:09 PM
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Isn't this the Would he have married her thread?
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And we said "no" to the question.
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Isn't this the Would he have married her thread?
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And we said "no" to the question.
This is the He marrying her thread, so any ideas as to whether to woman would have married the Prince can be found in this thread;

Would she have married him?

For instance would Catherine have married William, would Diana have married Charles etc...
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Old 05-20-2012, 04:41 PM
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you should integrate the two forums and make it one forum, I think =)
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I don't think that Juan Carlos would have married Sofia, I see him dating "a la carte" for 10 or more years longer than his position allowed him.

Charles would have married Camilla, or at least would have proposed to her.

Johannes von Thurn and Taxis would not have married Gloria if not for producing a heir. He was already 54 when his oldest daughter was born. Countless people, even Andy Warhol and of course Gloria herself had interesting things to say about his sexual preferences. I'm not saying that he did not learn to love Gloria, love was just not the reason he married her.

I doubt that Prince Rainier would have married Grace Kelly if not for her image and fame. They did not even know each other well when they married.
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I agree with you about Juan Carlos and Charles but I am not sure about Rainier.
Suppose that Grace wasn't an actress. She was Catholic, beautiful, from a wealthy family, young for giving an heir. I think all the things were suitable to marry her.
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Things were much different in the 50's and 60's with Royalty. They had to marry to provide heirs (Rainier and Grace being an example), many of the men (and women) did not have much of a choice. They all likely grew to love one another, perhaps just not as passionately as they would have liked.

I think Charles would have still married Camilla, it just would have happened much sooner as he would not have had to marry Diana.

Daniel would have definitely married Victoria, they are a lovely couple and so passionately in love. They do not care about the cameras following them etc. Daniel would have married her no matter who she was, or who her family were.

Would Andrew have married Sarah? I am not so sure. I think perhaps he would have, I just do not think he would have done it as quickly as they did. Then again, I don't think Sarah would have really married Andrew if he were not a Prince. I believe she was and still is quite a shallow individual who LOVED the attention. (I know, wrong thread sorry!)

Would Edward have married Sophie? I'd like to think he would have, and I do think he would have considering how long they were together prior to marriage. I do not think he would have waited so long to propose if he were not in the Royal family as he would have known there would have been less pressure on his wife. I believe their relationship is a love match, though being a Prince would definitely have swung Sophie a bit. (You can't deny it, if your boyfriend were a Prince you would think all your dreams had come true.)

I think King Carl Gustav would have married Silvia, they are beyond words adorable. When he gave her that rose at Daniel and Victoria's wedding my heart melted!
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Daniel and Victoria (if she wasn't the crown princess) - I think he would've married her no matter what
Henrik and Margrethe (if she wasn't the crown princess) - maybe. He was titled noble anyway and would marry someone, so why not Princess Margrethe even if she werent CP
Philip and Elizabeth (if she wasn't the heiress apparent) - yes Philips family was impoverished. He lived with his grandmother who loved in a grace and favour apartment at Kensington Palace. He would marry into wealth so what of she wouldn't be queen someday, his financial future would be secure!
Constantine and Anne-Marie (if she wasn't a Danish princess) yes. I think he really loved her and still does
Juan Carlos and Sofia (if she wasn't a Greek princess) - yes. Can't think of any reason to justify the answer
Pavlos and Marie Chantal (if she wasn't as wealthy as she is) - no. Pavlos was royal with little money. Marie Chantal was a commoner with loads of money and royal dreams. They've both married for benefits
Ranier and Grace (is she hadn't been an actress)- no. Rainer seemed to have an eye for women and could've had a bevy of beauties to choose from. He chose a beauty befitting his lifestyle
Antony and Margaret (if she wasn't the Queen's sister) - no. Antony seemed to enjoy mingling with the who's who of society. Marrying Margaret gave him access to a lot of people he otherwise wouldn't know
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I doubt JC and Sofia would have married. Franco wanted him to marry a woman from a reigning European royal family and there were not that many options open to the Roman Catholic heir to the still deposed Spanish royal family. He needed to marry someone Franco approved of in order to secure his position as Franco's potential heir should the monarchy be restored which was not certain at that point. As much as Franco favored the main dynastic Bourbon line there were other potential candidates including Carlos Hugo of Bourbon Parma, the Carlist heir, who would later marry Irene of The Netherlands.
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She may be a "princess" but she is close enough to it. Would Mike Tindall have married Zara if her granny were not the Queen?

I think they are such an interesting couple. Their body language is always fascinating when together. They have a long history and mutual interests. I can go either way on this one. What do you think?
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I'd say definitely less.
Doubt if Zara's royal connections influenced her relationship with Mike in any way.
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I think Victoria and Daniel would have married regardless.

I think both Pavlos and Marie Chantal were likely brought up with an implicit understanding of what sort of spouses they should be looking for, and they both did what was expected of them, (as did both of MC's sisters). That said, they seem to truly love each other; sometimes it's not the worst idea to think as well as feel when you're choosing a partner.

IMO, it's harder to get a feel for the relationships of the older generations, like JC and Sofia or Elizabeth and Phillip. The criteria for a successful marriage back then for people in their position were so different compared to today. Phillip probably had a bit more freedom, but the pool of people Juan Carlos, Sofia and Elizabeth could have married was very small. For example, Elizabeth couldn't marry a commoner, a Catholic or a German. That left a relatively small number of men around her own age from the British aristocracy and a few foreign royal families.
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For example, Elizabeth couldn't marry a commoner, a Catholic or a German. That left a relatively small number of men around her own age from the British aristocracy and a few foreign royal families.
That is to say, I understand why she couldn't marry a German (World War II) or a Catholic (Act of Settlement), but why not a commoner?
Elizabeth could have married a titled aristocrat, an officer or just a middle-class man with some noble/aristocratic background without any issued.
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