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View Poll Results: Who do you think is the "most professional" queen, and why?
Elizabeth II 142 42.77%
Margrethe II 36 10.84%
Beatrix 38 11.45%
Sofia 51 15.36%
Sonja 13 3.92%
Silvia 17 5.12%
Paola 3 0.90%
Rania 24 7.23%
Anne-Marie 3 0.90%
Other, please specify in post 5 1.51%
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Old 02-28-2015, 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by cristal View Post
Queen mathilde of course!
Why is she "the most professional"? That is what this thread is about.

The Belgian Court organization is a chaos. "Laeken" conflicting with "Belvédère". Poor interaction between the various departments. Poor handling of media (miscommuniction in the foundations of the late Queen Fabiola, miscommunications because the one royal dong interviews without the chef of the House even knowing it, amateuristic mistakes (first sending a Thank You-card for condoleances offered after "the death of Queen Paola"......... Queen Fabiola was meant, of course. Then a new card was sent, with thanks for the condoleances offered after "the death of King Fabiola".......... Queen Fabiola was meant.) The organization of the funeral was by accounts of experienced royalty watchers "a chaos".

Queen Mathilde has a lot of work to do, making her court organization working again according acceptable standards. I would say: look to the Dutch Court and start with implementing audits and ISO-standards. Make organization charts, handbooks, describe the processes and recruit for the best and the brightest, not because of "us-knows-us".


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Old 02-28-2015, 05:50 AM
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Well, if you are tackling this question in this way than the first question should be:
What is the job-description of the profession of "Queen"?
Only with a clear jobdescription you can than specify targets the Queen should accomplish and then define measurements in which the achievement of these targets is accomplished.

You seem to assume that implementating ISO standards and handbooks is a measurement for the professionalism of a queen, but if that's not in her jobdescription it's a moot point.

So as long as we don't have one official jobdescription for all queens in the world (maybe two, one for queen-regnant, one for queen-consort), any "measurement" we think we can apply is just our own vision on what a queen should do and when it comes down to it, that's nothing more or less than an opinion.

This thread is about opinions and therefore if someone considers Q.Mathilde or Q.ElizabethII or Q.Sonja or Q.Beatrix the most professional, all these opinions are equally valid and are not right or wrong.

(i voted for QEII in this poll, but only because the rockband Queen weren't on the list )

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Old 02-28-2015, 07:00 AM
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I am just curious to learn why someone says: "Queen Fabiola" as most professional, or someone else. In my book professionalism says something about competences, skills, management and leadership. Especially for consorts like Queen Letizia or Grand Duchess Maria Teresa it is very diffficult to say how "professional" they are because we only see a pretty dressed lady waving. From the outside the role of a consort is: "Shut up, and be pretty!"

The only way to learn something about professionalism is to look how the courts are organized, how major events are "done", how smooth and dignified ceremonial proceedings are executed, how they present themselves to all various forms of (digital) media, how transparent the annual reports are and how a Court is reviewed by auditors from the State or indepedent organizations.

In my personal view, regarding all this, Queen Margrethe II is the most professional Queen. She presents the monarchy as a lean-and-mean, smooth running organization with a great eye for history, tradition and detail. The way the Danish Court presents itself, for an exemple via de website, is outstanding. The lack of "endurance" by the new Queens Máxima, Mathilde and Letizia makes that we can say little about them. They are still very much in a pre-set setting, left by their predecessors.

Queen Paola, for an example, comes over to me as a lady whom had little or no interest in the Belgian court organization. King Albert just went on with the courtiers already working under King Baudouin. That impression, a lady whom prefers to sit at Belvédère than to be "the boss" is purely fom the outside. God knows how different reality is. In Belgian media however, soon there were sounds of discontent leaking through the palace organization when Queen Mathilde took the reins. There were complaints about a "demanding Queen" and her wishes to be correctly addressed by "Your Majesty" and proper etiquette. Nothing outrageous at all. To me it is a proof that at least for two-three decades the Belgian court has become stuffy and sleepy and now are shocked to see a Queen who indeed really tries to change things.
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Old 02-28-2015, 09:09 AM
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I think its difficult to compare Queen Monarchs, such as Margrethe, QEII or Beatrix with Queen consorts such as Silvia, let alone those who only recently became Queen consorts. A monarch has far more power or opportunities to lead, change or leave your mark.
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Old 02-28-2015, 11:00 AM
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I would submit that the efficiency of the court vs. the professionalism of the queen are not the same things. I thought we were talking the queen, not the entire inner-workings of the various courts.

I hope your continued irritation over the Belgian issue is NOT because I said Baudouin and Fabiola were a seamless royal couple? Because I explained where I was coming from relative to that statement and how I see that continuing through Harald and Sonja.

Just to be crystal clear, I think ALL the politics in Belgium is horridly watered-down and hopelessly bureaucratic. I VOTED for Queen Elizabeth II.

Peace to you, my friend.
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Old 10-24-2015, 04:47 PM
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Of course I voted Queen Elizabeth. 63 years but this is more because although it is about 90 years old is active as ever. And that's professionalism. From the newest i say the Queen Mathilde he has to do more work and organization from the others.

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