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Old 12-27-2005, 10:52 AM
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Which Royal do you think doesn't live up to the hype?

I know there are polls about the "Best" and "Most Disappointing" Royal, but which Royal do you think least lives up to the hype surrounding them and why?
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:42 PM
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Crownprincess Mary, not because I do not like her but simply because the hype seems to be to big & I do not see what all the fuss is about (I am more impressed by other crownprincess, although I know she -and Letizia- did not have that much time to prove herself yet).
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Old 12-27-2005, 06:58 PM
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Hmmmmm, not sure on this one. Shall have to give it some thought.

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Old 12-29-2005, 10:17 PM
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Bumping this thread up....I agree with Marengo. It's Mary. I don't care for her either way but I can't understand why she's hailed as a saint in some places.
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Old 12-29-2005, 11:20 PM
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I cant see why people have such negative feelings (or none at all) towards Mary. I (personally find) that its normally those who are really fond of Letizia who feel this way and its quite beyond me...And, as of yet I can't seem to recall being witness to one single piece of credible evidence to support such ill feelings towards the Crown Princess.

It's only as much hype as one makes it...

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Old 12-29-2005, 11:24 PM
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I cant see why people have such i'll feelings (or none at all) towards Mary. I (personally find) that its normally those who are really fond of Letizia who feel this way and its quite beyond me...And, as of yet I can't seem to recall being witness to one single piece of credible evidence to support such bitchy feelings towards the Crown Princess.

It's only as much hype as one makes it...

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Please, let's not make this into another Mary vs. Letizia thread/rehashing. And there's no need for putting out the "B" word.

A question was put out there: Which royal doesn't live up to his/her hype, and members have answered with their own feelings, whatever they are.

Everybody has a right to their own sentiments, no need to get personal or nasty by saying that people's opinons, because they differ from our own, are "bitchy." No offence may have been intended, but offence was certainly taken. Let's be adults.
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Old 12-29-2005, 11:32 PM
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Please, let's not make this into another Mary vs. Letizia thread/rehashing. And there's no need for putting out the "B" word.

A question was put out there: Which royal doesn't live up to his/her hype, and members have answered with their own feelings, whatever they are.

Everybody has a right to their own sentiments, no need to get personal or nasty by saying that people's opinons, because they differ from our own, are "bitchy." No offence may have been intended, but offence was certainly taken. Let's be adults.
Sorry you feel that way but my point stands, and I wasn't meanning to make it into another Mary vs Letizia thread but like everyone, was expressing my point of view on what I have seen & believe to be true. If I caused offence to you personally Alexandria, I find it rather hard to see how but if it's your prerogative to be offnded by my post then there is not much I can do excpect extend my apologies for the offence...

I dont recall directing the bitchy comment to any one member either. It was used with intent of executing general coversation amongst fellow contributors.

I shall correct that immediately so as to not cause further offence.


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Also, I have warmed to HRH the Princess of Asturias & hold no ill feeling toward her whatsoever!
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Old 12-30-2005, 12:03 AM
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Sorry you feel that way but my point stands, and I wasn't meanning to make it into another Mary vs Letizia thread but like everyone, was expressing my point of view on what I have seen & believe to be true. If I caused offence to you personally Alexandria, I find it rather hard to see how but if it's your prerogative to be offnded by my post then there is not much I can do excpect extend my apologies for the offence...
Margrethe, I am offended firstly because as someone who moderates this forum of seeing thread after thread become derailed by a comparison of various royals, whether it be Mary vs. Letizia, Mary vs. Alexandra, or Rania vs. Noor or whomever. Nobody else brought up liking Letizia as a reason for believing that Mary didn't live up to the hype. The only comment about Mary in the same breath as a comment about Letizia was one about both ladies not having had sufficient time to prove themselves yet. And then you came along and decried those who mentioned Mary as being part of a "bitchy" group.

And personally, because I like Letizia, and certainly by liking her I am in no way part of some anti-Mary group or part of any conspiracy to bring her down so that Letizia can be elevated to some holier than thou status. I believe that both women will bring their own unique previous experiences to their roles as Princesses of Spain and Denmark, respectively, and represent their countries with professionalism and respect. They are princesses of two completely different countries and royal courts -- why are comparisons necessary?

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I dont recall directing the bitchy comment to any one member either. It was used with intent of executing general coversation amongst fellow contributors.
Whether the comment was directed at one member's post is beside the comment. Why is the comment necessary -- period. Why is it necessary to say that a feeling is "bitchy" simply because we don't agree with it? If you disagree that is fine, but let's not be vulgar in our expression. And what kind of "general conversation" could be had when one's viewpoints are called bitchy? Such comments only serve to raise the stakes and attacks -- all of which are unnecessary.

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Also, I have warmed to HRH the Princess of Asturias & hold no ill feeling toward her whatsoever!
So then why would fans of Letizia have any ill-feelings towards Mary? Or why would those who have suggested that Mary doesn't live up to her hype have any ill-feelings towards Mary?
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Old 12-30-2005, 12:23 AM
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This is an interesting question. I kind of agree about Mary. It's not what she does, it's more what she doesn't do, which is to exude a sincere warmth and interest in her role. She may be very warm and very interested in the people she meets as she does her rounds, but I don't feel it, it doesn't translate well in photographs that I see of her.
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Old 12-30-2005, 12:25 AM
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Which Royal do you think doesn't live up to the hype?

Prince William. First, I'm dying for him to assume more Royal activities and to be seen in them with his girlfriend Kate. And by that I mean it's about time they make it official.
I would like to see him not expresing his opinion in every issue (like his dad does) but more as a bridge between young people and the institution of Monarchy. Maybe it's just me but all I see of him is trailing his brother's antics and way too much on the exclusive inner circle of the British aristocracy. For me, he should be partying less and working more as a public relations agent for the monarchy.

That's why his is my choice for a Royal that doesn't live up to the hype.

Now, a Royal that has shown to be above the hype is Salma of Morroco. She is the surprise mega royal of the millenium. Brilliant, glamorous, and with a stricking personality that shows in every event she appears. I hardly knew who she was and then, like Halley's comet, she appears out of the sky and outshines everyone. My first read on her was her visit to France with the Princess speaking in different languages and not being show like an equal to her husband the king but as the perfect modern consort. She was able to do what we expected from Princess Masako of Japan years ago. And Salma deserves to be upgraded to Queen.

And on Mary and Letizia, to each it's own. Both ladies had to adapt to two ancient monarchies with two different approaches. The style of each one reflects how diferent the countries are, so they can't be any comparison. Mary and Leti and Royalty's PC and Mac computers, they are both similar and, yet, so different.
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Old 12-30-2005, 12:29 AM
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I have already apolgoised Alexandria so if you are still offended there is not much I can do about that & nor shall I try.

Indeed, as a moderator and administartor of this board I see where you are coming from and respect it. I brought up the Mary/Letizia subject because it is one that seems to be commonplace here at the Forums and rather than ignore it, decided to address it and hope to gain an understanding as to why those who feel this way do infact, feel this way. My approach could have probably been worded with an extra touch of subtelty but it wasn't and I have since corrected myself.

I meant no disrespect to anyone who finds Letizia more interesting than Mary, not at all. I mentioned that it's normally those who prefer Letizia (not all the time and certainly not everyone).


I agree with you 100% that both women shall bring many fine and unique qaulities to their respective roles now and in the future. Absolutely, why are comaprisons needed?...thsi is the point I was trying to make.

I have spoken with a few members of this & other Forums and without exploiting them, they to have noticed a devide. May I add that their respective interests do not lie with the Danish Royals.

Indeed, I dont think of the word 'bitchy' to be vulgar. Upfront and straight to the point, yes.

Have indaviduals cared to see why maybe Mary is looked so favourably upon in the media or in general to project such "hype" (I hardly think its hype)? What has she done to to give the impression that she isn't worthy of such support and good will?

Really, we are all making accusations from photographs. How credible can any of our thoughts be really when questions like thsi arise?

I just find it interesting that many (once again, not all) who really like Letizia are somewhat negative toward her Danish counterpart. And like I have stated, I am not the only person who has noticed this.

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On that note...
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Old 12-30-2005, 12:31 AM
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I agree with Toledo, but I have to add Harry to the picture, because all he cares about is drinking, Chelsy, and the military (in that order), Harry must be aware of the fact that his behavior is inappropiate for anyone, Royal or not and must change his ways...

Also, I think Madeleine must help her sister more, go to more public acts and please try not to look bored!!!

PD: guys & girls, please try to stop discussions that are unrelated to this thread for everybody's sake, thanks in advance
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Old 12-30-2005, 12:56 AM
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I agree with Toledo, but I have to add Harry to the picture, because all he cares about is drinking, Chelsy, and the military (in that order), Harry must be aware of the fact that his behavior is inappropiate for anyone, Royal or not and must change his ways...

Also, I think Madeleine must help her sister more, go to more public acts and please try not to look bored!!!

PD: guys & girls, please try to stop discussions that are unrelated to this thread for everybody's sake, thanks in advance
My disapointment with William was when I read more information about the notorious party they attended where Harry, dumb as he is, used that symbol of hate on his arm. I did not know the other details that William knew about the costume, he and Kate were with him during the time the photo was taken and William, future heir to Britain, did nothing about it like ripping it off the moment he walked in smiling.
But those other party goers reflect the bad influence of that crowd over William. Harry and Chelsy are a ship wreck about to happen, but William should know better than that.
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Old 12-30-2005, 02:13 AM
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*Prepares for beating/yelling that shall take place*

CP Mary is a very pretty lady, but she's been a big let down. When she got married, I was very proud of her for throwing herself into her new language and culture. Ever since then, she seems to be what I'd call a "spoiled brat." She mostly does fashion shows (as opposed to other worthy causes) and she just has this way about her that I can't quite place, but still find very off-setting.

The only other person I can think of is Diana. She was lovely and she did good work, but I think she was a master manipulator of public opinion. Both she and Charles made bad decisions and it was unfortunate, but it certainly wasn't all Charles and Camilla's fault. I think Diana was over-exposed in the press and she hated it, but she also craved it because it made her martyr #1 in the public eye. She died and it was very sad, but people elevate her to a status that I think is too excessive for the person she was. No doubt, she was a great person who worked a lot, but no one ever seems to want to mention all the things that weren't so great about her.

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Old 12-30-2005, 03:43 AM
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As an American, I really don't hear anything about royals other than on these boards so I'm not a good judge of who is overhyped. The non-British royals get almost no press attention in the United States and the only event that was chronicled at all in the press was Charles' and Camilla's visit. It got some attention, mostly favorable, but it definitely wasn't overhyped.

Now thanks to all of you who post links to non-American newssources I can read things about royals that I can't do here. :) I can see a little bit of where Mary was overhyped although based on some of the silly things I read, I'm glad she hasn't lived up to her hype there. Its just plain silly what some papers write.

I think all the Crown Princesses were overhyped to a certain extent because they came from humble backgrounds (except for Mathilde) and there was an expectation that they would revolutionize the monarchies. As a traditionalist who likes royals to act like royals, I am delighted that the ladies have kept their heads and not overturned centuries-old traditions.

For me, William has turned out to be the most overhyped. He had some unrealistic expectations too; being the saviour of the British monarchy, but he's doubly disappointing because he's second in line to the throne and he still seems to be a bit aimless and not accepting of his role as heir. First he went to St. Andrews, then he decided to follow his younger brother to Sandhurst and he doesn't seem like the soldier-type so who knows how that is going to turn out. He seems more like a follower than a leader and he seems embarassed by his royal status than anything else. He seems resentful of the media attention which is understandable after what happened to his mother, but he is a public person and I just think he needs to deal with it.
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Old 12-30-2005, 03:59 AM
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Now thanks to all of you who post links to non-American newssources I can read things about royals that I can't do here. :) I can see a little bit of where Mary was overhyped although based on some of the silly things I read, I'm glad she hasn't lived up to her hype there. Its just plain silly what some papers write.

I think all the Crown Princesses were overhyped to a certain extent because they came from humble backgrounds (except for Mathilde) and there was an expectation that they would revolutionize the monarchies. As a traditionalist who likes royals to act like royals, I am delighted that the ladies have kept their heads and not overturned centuries-old traditions.

For me, William has turned out to be the most overhyped. He had some unrealistic expectations too; being the saviour of the British monarchy, but he's doubly disappointing because he's second in line to the throne and he still seems to be a bit aimless and not accepting of his role as heir. First he went to St. Andrews, then he decided to follow his younger brother to Sandhurst and he doesn't seem like the soldier-type so who knows how that is going to turn out. He seems more like a follower than a leader and he seems embarassed by his royal status than anything else. He seems resentful of the media attention which is understandable after what happened to his mother, but he is a public person and I just think he needs to deal with it.
Very,Very well said Ysbel...

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Old 12-30-2005, 09:42 AM
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I think I'm with the general consensus on Mary.

Although I'd have to disagree with Toledo, in that I find Lalla Salma ot be a bit of a let-down, I expected alot from her especially after everything I've read and yet another year has passed and in my opinion she's not really lived up to expectations.

I think Madeline's another Royal who is praised alot, for not a gret deal of reasons. She doesn't seem happy to do her Royal duties and as for her "great looks", I think she's really artificial looking.
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Old 12-30-2005, 09:49 AM
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hmmm...i think mabel is somewhat overhyped. there appeared to be a sort of "let's all love mabel now" movement going on earlier this year.some mabel apologists were arguing that despite the past scandals she will become a great asset to the royal family because of her brains and her high profile job.

i think thats kind of come up empty. most people have realized that 'yes indeed we still dont like mabel no matter how smart she is."
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Old 12-30-2005, 12:12 PM
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I will have to vote for William who is hailed as the hope of the monarchy. Till now there isn't a single extra ordinary trait he is shown that proves that he will be a better leader than his father yet people go on and on about him replacing his father. I am not fond of some of the decisions Charles has taken in his personal life but to say that Charles is incompetent because of his failure in his first marriage is really unfair. He might be an emotional fool as some believe him to be but overall I have more faith in him at this moment because of his experience of almost 4 decades as POW and his work than in William who is doing very little and is instead enjoying the extended popularity of his late mother and his father's attempts to give him a private life away from the media.

And as many have pointed out just what happened in the costume party? Was he not able to think of the consequence of the symbol or was he so in the party that he failed to notice what Harry had up his sleeve. Forget him as a leader, I wouldn't want him as an elder sibling.
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I've been lurking around the boards for awhile and then joined but haven't had time to post for the holidays.

As an American we mostly get news about British royals but stemming from what I've seen and read on this board I'd say CP Mary and mostly because I agree with royalwatcher. She doesn't exude warmth to me (my opinion of course) in pictures and seems distant. That being said, my take on everything is with limited knowledge as we don't get much royal news over here.
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