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Old 12-17-2011, 06:39 PM
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The thought has crossed my mind, but I think it's very unlikely to happen. Although Americans seem to find royalty exciting.
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Old 12-17-2011, 10:07 PM
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Someone once told me for Americans we care about royalty for 5 minutes then throw them back across the ocean until the next time they do something worth paying attention to. Apparently less than 10% of the population in the US watched that wedding.
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Old 12-17-2011, 11:21 PM
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Well, what kind of monarcy are you looking at? If you are looking at the British Monarchy and several of the others, they don't rule, they reign. So if we were going for that kind, we would still need a prime minister or premier to do the actual governing along with a parliament or congress, so what exactly would be the point of having a monarch? If it is only to go around opening hospitals etc., quite frankly that would be a waste of our money and enough of it is being wasted already.

Yes. As they do reign and not rule, their value is in their link to the history and tradition of Britain - a thing not "insertable" in practical terms and having no value if inserted. The Queen is the Queen (and the King will be the King) because that is the way it has always been. No created monarchy could survive and would bring nothing of value if it existed. Our monarchy (I am Canadian) is valuable to us because it is a part of our tradition - a thing, quite literally - not creatable.

That said, in the fantasy answer ... I would say if they WERE to have such an ill-fated endeavour, that it should be the result of a selection of existing royals-without-throne. It's either a monarchy with "royals" running it or it's a political institution that is run by popular vote. Not since the Magna Carta and the Boston Tea Party have those two ideas been able to share a church pew with comfort.

edited to say: I mean to say that while the British decidedly separated throne from politics, they did so without dethroning the Monarch. The Americans decidedly separated the two as well, but did take that extra step. It is the bell that CANNOT be unrung.
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And it would have happened under king George III but got independence with a revolution, and if it did happen we would probably be on the commonwealth realms list, well at least some or all of the 13 colonies.
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Old 01-05-2014, 08:07 AM
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Should the United States become a Monarchy?

Politico: "America Needs a King"

America Needs a King - Michael Auslin - POLITICO Magazine

The author doesn't end up calling for a monarchy, but for a nonpartisan head of state with limited powers and a long term.

This is what I've been saying for years.

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Old 01-05-2014, 09:21 AM
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In a society so clearly 'split down the middle' politically a non partisan Head of State could only be a good thing..

Deciding on what form that might take, {Monarch or President} would be a matter for the American people, and as an Englishman 'I couldn't possibly comment'.

I would only say that if a society that cannot agree on how to provide healthcare to its citizenry, {without appalling rancour] I wouldn't expect a consensus.

As Americans would say 'good luck with that....'
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Old 01-05-2014, 10:45 AM
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Considering those in the Congress and Senate cannot decide what to agree on, I cannot envision the powers that be in the USA installing any kind of "Head of State" as they would probably be terrified that they might actually have to do something constructive, instead of throwing insults at each other and making sure Bills that should be passed with no problems are basically shouted down and run out of time.

Nice idea though
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Old 01-05-2014, 12:06 PM
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I would only say that if a society that cannot agree on how to provide healthcare to its citizenry, {without appalling rancour] I wouldn't expect a consensus.

As Americans would say 'good luck with that....'
I wouldn't blame US society for the healthcare debacle. Rather, members of one party in power decided to implement a health care plan without paying any attention whatsoever to representatives of the other party in government (or its voters), and so the result is what should be expected when one side, representing about 50% of the country, (1) is completely ignored and run over in a major policy decision that affects their lives and wallets significantly and (2) then partially returns to power.

That said, I cannot see Congress- or anyone- picking a nonpartisan head of state without great difficulty, so I think that you should give us Prince William and Kate and have a hereditary system!
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Old 01-05-2014, 12:27 PM
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Having a monarch goes against everything the US stands for. I don't see it happening. For one, it would require a constitutional amendment approved by all 50 states. I don't think a dictatorship is out of the question if we continue on our corrupt and lazy path. It would probably break the country into several parts and end the US as we know it.
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Old 01-05-2014, 12:40 PM
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I think that you should give us Prince William and Kate and have a hereditary system!
With respect... your countrymen made your feelings towards English Royals perfectly plain in 1775, and The Duke & Duchess of Cambridge are - a} unlikely to wish to raise their children in a foreign country and -b} are already heirs to the British Crown.

If you plump for a royal family how about the Kardashians.. they seem to be wildly popular [although perhaps lacking the requisite gravitas?}
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Old 01-05-2014, 12:59 PM
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Having a monarch goes against everything the US stands for. I don't see it happening. For one, it would require a constitutional amendment approved by all 50 states. I don't think a dictatorship is out of the question if we continue on our corrupt and lazy path. It would probably break the country into several parts and end the US as we know it.

A constitutional amendment actually only requires approval by 2/3 of Congress and 3/4 of the States.
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I wouldn't blame US society for the healthcare debacle. Rather, members of one party in power decided to implement a health care plan without paying any attention whatsoever to representatives of the other party in government (or its voters), and so the result is what should be expected when one side, representing about 50% of the country, (1) is completely ignored and run over in a major policy decision that affects their lives and wallets significantly and (2) then partially returns to power.

That said, I cannot see Congress- or anyone- picking a nonpartisan head of state without great difficulty, so I think that you should give us Prince William and Kate and have a hereditary system!
Thank you for sharing your thoughts about the ACA as I do agree with you.

Regarding the U.S. having a constitutional monarchy-NO. Having a separate HoS-Yes.
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With respect... your countrymen made your feelings towards English Royals perfectly plain in 1775, and The Duke & Duchess of Cambridge are - a} unlikely to wish to raise their children in a foreign country and -b} are already heirs to the British Crown.

If you plump for a royal family how about the Kardashians.. they seem to be wildly popular [although perhaps lacking the requisite gravitas?}

I do believe that we'd also say no to the Spanish and former French royal families as well.
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Old 01-05-2014, 01:08 PM
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I do believe that we'd also say no to the Spanish and former French royal families as well.
And a big no to Queen Mother Kris Kardashian.
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Old 01-05-2014, 01:11 PM
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The article is interesting. However, the suggestion to have a non-partisan President is not achievable.
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Old 01-05-2014, 01:26 PM
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With respect... your countrymen made your feelings towards English Royals perfectly plain in 1775, and The Duke & Duchess of Cambridge are - a} unlikely to wish to raise their children in a foreign country and -b} are already heirs to the British Crown.

If you plump for a royal family how about the Kardashians.. they seem to be wildly popular [although perhaps lacking the requisite gravitas?}
The feelings expressed in the 1770s were against royalty at that time, and many English citizens in England fought to reduce the power of the monarchy throughout the 1700s and 1800s.

I'd guess that Queen Elizabeth is just as popular in the US as in the UK.
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Old 01-05-2014, 01:51 PM
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I actually already think of our President and First Lady as our King and Queen of America or as the Father and Mother of the Nation. Although their reign only last 4 to 8 years.

I do think we need to reevaluate our American system.
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Old 01-05-2014, 02:00 PM
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In fact, President is like the King.
Temporary, but the King.
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As a matter of fact, the US already has my favorite King and Queen. Namely Burger King and Dairy Queen.

Sorry... couldn't resist.
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Old 01-05-2014, 02:19 PM
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As a matter of fact, the US already has my favorite King and Queen. Namely Burger King and Dairy Queen.

Sorry... couldn't resist.
that was a good one.
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