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To those fans of Ms Markle who seem to think there are but two extremes - 'Hollywood' and 'office-wallah', I urge you to consider the MASSIVE spectrum, [and choices] that lie between them..

It is more than possible to be elegant/low key/individualistic and yet 'special' enough to fulfill the expectations of the public that, as QEQM memorably said- [I paraphrase]

'They wear their best to meet me, so I do the same in return' ?

Is that too much to ask in return for a life of PROFOUND privilege ?
I don't know how many of the people that's met her was disappointed by her outfit. It seems to be people from here that's disappointed because she doesn't wear a lot of colors. Which is the individualistic part. She simply likes neutral colors. She's never going to wear colors like HMQ or Kate, because it's not her individual style. What I've noticed based on her past choices is that she tends to wear more color when it's a one piece (though not guaranteed) and go more neutral with separate pieces.

It also depends on what you see as style though, isn't it? I saw her McQueen suit as modern and sassy, rather than a boring office suit, and thought she looked like a badass and absolutely loved it. I also thought it was very modern moreso than typical office suit. I often wear suits to the office, and as a relatively young person, I do look for more modern looks. But even compared to that, that was not your average suit. The cut, the cropped pants, the collar, and the the tailored tux look does make it much more glamorous.

That suit sent a statement that she'll dress appropriately, but add her own individuality to it. I think this is the first time that it became absolutely clear to me that she'll absolutely wear what suits her (no pun intended) while respecting the boundaries of her role. It was highly unexpected especially given she is in early stage of the role. And I understand those that prefer the colorful and typical royal outfits didn't like it.

The one outfit that I feel like Meghan kind of took out a lot of individuality was the Sandringham outfit, which is my least favorite to date. It just felt odd on her. Maybe it was the hat and she needs more practice before she gets it right, but I do feel like overall she was more concerned with what's expect than finding a happy compromise that satisfied both that and her individuality.

All in all, I'm not seeing how her fashion choices so far violates what the QEQM said other than modern style has a different take.
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You could not have said this better. That tux suit was indeed loaded with design elements.
I loved it. And I loved it for the event and for an event on the same night as a semi-big Cambridge event. If nothing else, it was a a sign of respect to the Norwegians to not steal the spotlight. Good on her.
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The one outfit that I feel like Meghan kind of took out a lot of individuality was the Sandringham outfit, which is my least favorite to date. It just felt odd on her. Maybe it was the hat and she needs more practice before she gets it right, but I do feel like overall she was more concerned with what's expect than finding a happy compromise that satisfied both that and her individuality.
Your last sentence, that's it! It felt to me like she was duly respectful of the unusual nature of her being present at Sandringham, and she was trying to be a 'British Royal', 'fit in' (though we didn't see the dress, only the coat, which was her, I think). It was that hat.

If Meghan tries to 'blend in' with the BRF style sense it will be a disaster for her. JMO.
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Your last sentence, that's it! It felt to me like she was duly respectful of the unusual nature of her being present at Sandringham, and she was trying to be a 'British Royal', 'fit in' (though we didn't see the dress, only the coat, which was her, I think). It was that hat.

If Meghan tries to 'blend in' with the BRF style sense it will be a disaster for her. JMO.
Hmmm given Meghan's statement about tone on tone dressing, I don't think Sandringham was a departure from her style. The coat was totally her, as were the neutral accessories. The burgundy color of the dress was definitely her.

Maybe we could argue the hat wasn't really her - but how would we know - we've never seen her in a hat before?

I still have fascinators mostly because I don't yet "get" hats yet - or I don't exactly know how to pick them ... I think Meghan chose a hat that was kinda like a beret. It wasn't my favorite hat, but it was very stylish and it fit her tone on tone style perfectly.

Sandringham - even with the hat - was one of my favorite outfits and I'd say it was quintessentially Meghan. Very infused with her own sense of style - and very modern. She actually stood out to me among the rest of the royals because of that. In a good way, of course.

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You could not have said this better. That tux suit was indeed loaded with design elements.
I loved it. And I loved it for the event and for an event on the same night as a semi-big Cambridge event. If nothing else, it was a a sign of respect to the Norwegians to not steal the spotlight. Good on her.
I also loved that both Kate and Meghan were wearing McQueen on the same night. That couldn't have been a coincidence.
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Hmmm given Meghan's statement about tone on tone dressing, I don't think Sandringham was a departure from her style. The coat was totally her, as were the neutral accessories. The burgundy color of the dress was definitely her.

Maybe we could argue the hat wasn't really her - but how would we know - we've never seen her in a hat before?

I still have fascinators mostly because I don't yet "get" hats yet - or I don't exactly know how to pick them ... I think Meghan chose a hat that was kinda like a beret. It wasn't my favorite hat, but it was very stylish and it fit her tone on tone style perfectly.

Sandringham - even with the hat - was one of my favorite outfits and I'd say it was quintessentially Meghan. Very infused with her own sense of style - and very modern. She actually stood out to me among the rest of the royals because of that. In a good way, of course.
I think my problem with that outfit, other than it was my least favorite color (), was just that it was too much. I know people kept complaining about her coat, but I thought it was perfectly fine and fitted fine too. I didn’t have a problem with the dress even though we didn’t really see it. My issue was with the hat, gloves, bag, and boots. Something about how it was put together was just too...much for me. I can’t exactly explain it, but something about how it was all put together just didn’t scream Meghan to me. She did have a lot of pressure on her that day though being that it’s her first Christmas with Harry’s family and the world media had their eyes on her.
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I think my problem with that outfit, other than it was my least favorite color (), was just that it was too much. I know people kept complaining about her coat, but I thought it was perfectly fine and fitted fine too. I didn’t have a problem with the dress even though we didn’t really see it. My issue was with the hat, gloves, bag, and boots. Something about how it was put together was just too...much for me. I can’t exactly explain it, but something about how it was all put together just didn’t scream Meghan to me. She did have a lot of pressure on her that day though being that it’s her first Christmas with Harry’s family and the world media had their eyes on her.
Well that's fair - I didn't think it was too much but maybe others did.

I'm a huge fan of tone on tone dressing and I just loved how well put together it was (to me). The boots, bag, gloves and coat were perfection. I even loved the hat from a color perspective... and the burgundy dress was this perfect cherry on top - a nice spark of color but still in the neutral zone...

It fits my perception that Meghan is strategic with color when she does wear it.

I guess none of us really know her style - style is constantly evolving. I have a few friends who have pegged my style (love tone on tone and edgy contrast), but my style is evolving (actually right now it's in a rut due to some weight I gained over the holidays ). Also - some of my style is situational. If someone tried to predict my wedding gown based on my current wardrobe they'd get it wrong. Kinda how we were all a bit surprised at Meghan's engagement gown (me happily surprised, but then not so surprised).

I think Meghan's style is evolving ... and I also think we don't fully know what her style is yet. She hasn't yet had the opportunity to expand her style to more venues and occasions. So even she might be in flux as to what her style means in the grand scheme of the BRF.
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I do think you are right about her style evolving. And we all go through those changes as our lives evolve. I'd be really interested to see what Meghan's formal wear style will be. Speaking of the burgundy dress, it does fit with her tendency to wear more color when it's a one piece. I think my issue was the overall that outfit didn't have the effortlessness of her other outfits.

But overall, I feel really good about Meghan's ability to keep her individuality in her dressing after the McQueen suit. It's a little ridiculous how much I love that suit actually. I think I figured out why I loved her Stella McCartney coat even though I usually don't like black coats. It's the tux look. That was actually quite unique in a belted coat. I haven't seen too many that are of that style yet.
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I do think you are right about her style evolving. And we all go through those changes as our lives evolve. I'd be really interested to see what Meghan's formal wear style will be. Speaking of the burgundy dress, it does fit with her tendency to wear more color when it's a one piece. I think my issue was the overall that outfit didn't have the effortlessness of her other outfits.
Really? It's so interesting how we're seeing the same outfit but coming to different conclusions...

Is it that it seemed over the top and too matchy matchy? I'm trying to think of how it could have looked more effortless given that she had to wear a hat, it was cold (hence the boots and gloves)... ?

Is this kinda like how they say to take off one accessory before leaving the house? If she'd worn pumps instead of boots would that have helped? She'd have frozen, but would that have helped?

I'm laughing at the effort I'm putting in to understand exactly what you mean - since I often dress similarly to Meghan - especially that outfit.

So #askingformyself

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But overall, I feel really good about Meghan's ability to keep her individuality in her dressing after the McQueen suit. It's a little ridiculous how much I love that suit actually. I think I figured out why I loved her Stella McCartney coat even though I usually don't like black coats. It's the tux look. That was actually quite unique in a belted coat. I haven't seen too many that are of that style yet.
I liked but didn't love the McCartney coat - I thought it looked a bit boxy. But I think if she gets it tailored and nipped slightly in the waist I would then love it. But that's minor.

And yeah - I loved the McQueen tux outfit so much I ran out and bought two tux suits in the same style, but in velvet (black and plum burgundy). I'm going to find a regular tux version, but with wide leg/flare pants instead. And I'm gonna get black AND cream!

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Really? It's so interesting how we're seeing the same outfit but coming to different conclusions...

Is it that it seemed over the top and too matchy matchy? I'm trying to think of how it could have looked more effortless given that she had to wear a hat, it was cold (hence the boots and gloves)... ?

Is this kinda like how they say to take off one accessory before leaving the house? If she'd worn pumps instead of boots would that have helped? She'd have frozen, but would that have helped?

I'm laughing at the effort I'm putting in to understand exactly what you mean - since I often dress similarly to Meghan - especially that outfit.

So #askingformyself



I liked but didn't love the McCartney coat - I thought it looked a bit boxy. But I think if she gets it tailored and nipped slightly in the waist I would then love it. But that's minor.

And yeah - I loved the McQueen tux outfit so much I ran out and bought two tux suits in the same style, but in velvet (black and plum burgundy). I'm going to find a regular tux version, but with wide leg/flare pants instead. And I'm gonna get black AND cream!

I'm starting a new role soon and I'll sort of be living in two cities, so I'm figuring out my work wardrobe for one city and my social wardrobe for another city - although I'm pretty sure I'm going to be carting stuff back and forth.
Yes! I think it was too much matching! I liked it slightly between she didn't put on the gloves. I get it's a dressy situation, but my God, I wasn't used to that. I still thought she was adorable, but I just felt like Meghan could've done better. I do think this will improve as she spends more time as a member of the BRF and get used to these hats and such. Maybe starting with something that didn't cover her entire head like that would've been better? I think something the size of Autumn Phillips' hat would've been a better choice for starter hat and the fact that she worn a coat that had quite a bit of a collar. Less would've been more on that day, I think.

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To those fans of Ms Markle who seem to think there are but two extremes - 'Hollywood' and 'office-wallah', I urge you to consider the MASSIVE spectrum, [and choices] that lie between them.....
Others have responded to the rest of your post. Re your above comment I think the point is that there are always many choices when dealing with fashion and the ubiquitous question of 'what to wear.' That's even more reason why it's impressive how Meghan always seems to get her looks right for the occasion. None of us are going to like everything she wears 100% because we all have different tastes, preferences, and expectations. All the evidence I've seen from following Meghan and reading about her and seeing pictures of her pre-Harry, tells me she knows a lot about fashion and personal style. She's probably always been interested in clothes and dressing up and so she's seemingly paid attention over the years to learning all she can and to developing her own style. There are many fashion-related clips of Meghan on Youtube, and she's given interviews in the past to a number of magazines, in addition to modeling for fashion-centric publications such as Splash (a Chicago lifestyle mag) and Gritty Pritty (an online fashion & beauty mag founded by an Australian entrepreneur).

As a result of all this evidence, much of it in Meghan's own words, it seems obvious to me that she's very confident about what works for her, but that as she said, her style changed on the set of Suits where she met many top designers. According to Meghan, she still has touches of a laid-back casual California style, but she's learned more about tailoring for fit, wearing luxurious custom designer outfits, and putting together a more polished, sophisticated look. The set of Suits is also where Meghan met her stylist and BFF, Jessica Mulroney. I think Meghan knows what she likes and how to pull looks together but that she also relies on Jessica for specific styling ideas, accessorizing, deciding on appropriate looks for specific occasions, and guidance on go-to designers and product manufacturers. Jessica & Meghan are probably having a blast sharing ideas, planning for the wedding, and deciding on the best looks in the meantime for Meghan's scheduled outings with Harry. I also read recently that Jessica has been providing style guidance to Harry in what he's been wearing. It's obvious that Meghan and Harry coordinate their looks, and Harry has been wearing suits with a bit more modern edge and closely tailored fit.

In regard to a previous indication that you are 'bored' after seeing Meghan's most recent outfits, I can understand the idea that it seems boring for her to wear dark colors back-to-back-to-back, when we were maybe anticipating something different. But I would say look to this most recent event itself and to the dress code. And as well, look to the fact that Meghan is following her own preferred color palette and sense of style. In addition, as I said earlier, she strikes me as not feeling it necessary to call attention to herself. She doesn't need to, and that's not her aim. All eyes are on Meghan anyway. Several comments have already been made here about the fact that Kate was wearing on the same night, a glamorous McQueen gown for a high profile evening event in Norway. That's an additional reason why the Endeavour Awards event was absolutely not the occasion for Meghan to be flashy or attempt to take sartorial center stage. And obviously Meghan wasn't interested in wearing a pop of color either. It definitely is significant IMO that both Kate and Meghan were wearing vastly different looks by the same British designer.

Anyone who happens to be 'bored,' well I think Meghan, if she gave it any thought, would feel quite fine about any and all whiny critics being bored, since her aim is not to entertain and impress unrelenting and persnickety detractors. She can't possibly please everyone all of the time, and I don't think she's ever thought of trying to do that. She seems to be doing very well and becoming even more at ease in her new life.
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Yes! I think it was too much matching! I liked it slightly between she didn't put on the gloves. I get it's a dressy situation, but my God, I wasn't used to that. I still thought she was adorable, but I just felt like Meghan could've done better. I do think this will improve as she spends more time as a member of the BRF and get used to these hats and such. Maybe starting with something that didn't cover her entire head like that would've been better? I think something the size of Autumn Phillips' hat would've been a better choice for starter hat and the fact that she worn a coat that had quite a bit of a collar. Less would've been more on that day, I think.
Ohhhh now I see what you mean. A cute little fascinator would have been really cute too. I thought she looked adorable - something about looking prim underneath that hat was a cute picture... it went with her button nose, :)

I kinda wonder how she's getting her items... it would be nearly impossible for her to go out and shop til she dropped - she's too high profile for that now (that's kinda sad). So I wonder if she's getting selections sent to her to view in private?

Or is she being ushered into places through the back entrance, lol, and seen in private rooms?

She's gonna become quite the online shopper me thinks - if she's not already, lol.

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Ohhhh now I see what you mean. A cute little fascinator would have been really cute too. I thought she looked adorable - something about looking prim underneath that hat was a cute picture... it went with her button nose, :)

I kinda wonder how she's getting her items... it would be nearly impossible for her to go out and shop til she dropped - she's too high profile for that now (that's kinda sad). So I wonder if she's getting selections sent to her to view in private?

Or is she being ushered into places through the back entrance, lol, and seen in private rooms?

She's gonna become quite the online shopper me thinks - if she's not already, lol.

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Times did an article that talked about someone helping her with her clothing choice. All of her stuff seems to be ordered and shipped to Kensington Palace rather than her going in person according to some of the vendors. A lot of them didn't know that she'd be wearing their stuff until she comes out and then they go search for order records and notice an order with a KP zip code on there. The reason they speculated she's being helped by a fashion adviser is that she's wearing stuff that even fashion editors have to google.

Here is the article, you'll have to register for a free article a week.

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Ohhhh now I see what you mean. A cute little fascinator would have been really cute too. I thought she looked adorable - something about looking prim underneath that hat was a cute picture... it went with her button nose, :)

I kinda wonder how she's getting her items... she's too high profile ... now (that's kinda sad). So I wonder if she's getting selections sent to her to view in private?

Or is she being ushered into places through the back entrance, lol, and seen in private rooms?...
I would think for the most part that the designers and fitters are coming to Meghan unidentified in unmarked transportation. During the M&H courtship, we have seen how the security is very high, professional and effective. They apparently have ways of shielding how Meghan and her team are going about their business. Neither Harry nor William are kidding about protecting their significant others and their private lives.

It is sad, largely for Meghan's former Tig admirers, that Meghan can't be as accessible and can no longer fully share her experiences, fashion tips, and lifestyle tastes. It's still possible though to peruse what was already out there pre Meghan's relationship with Harry heating up. That's certainly what loads of media have been doing: pulling from prior interviews, photographs, quotes, video clips and feature articles.

There have been indications in recent news items that Jessica Mulroney is assisting Meghan stylistically, as usual. I saw a recent profile on Jessica -- she knows her stuff!

It will be interesting if we see Meghan in a fascinator. Probably for the first big family appearance, she preferred to be a bit more formal. And I think the styling of the Sandringham hat was just right: a mix of traditional with a modern twist.

ETA: I posted before seeing your post jacqui. Thanks. The wedding designer is the one who must be coming to the palace discreetly for gown consultation and fittings.
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Since so many have been longing for color on Meghan, why not take a look back at some of Meghan's 'best outfits' through the years. She's worn navy; light blue; flower prints in different shades; block colors in geometrical patterns; shades of green; burgundy; deep reds; flame orange in one evening casual dress; an unusual evening gown in blue and red tie dye colors; cream; gold; silver; blue & white striped shorts and jacket; turquoise evening dress; lots of black dresses and separates; black leather pants; white skirts, pants, and dresses; plus embellished biker jackets, etc.:

Meghan Markle's Best Looks: From Deal or No Deal Through to Suits

Additional Meghan fashion looks:
https://www.today.com/slideshow/meghan-markle-t113191

http://globalvillageextra.com/en/ind...-to-her-heels/

Australian television feature on Meghan's style influence, just before the engagement was announced:


Another photo gallery rundown of different looks:
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Yes! I think it was too much matching! I liked it slightly between she didn't put on the gloves. I get it's a dressy situation, but my God, I wasn't used to that. I still thought she was adorable, but I just felt like Meghan could've done better. I do think this will improve as she spends more time as a member of the BRF and get used to these hats and such. Maybe starting with something that didn't cover her entire head like that would've been better? I think something the size of Autumn Phillips' hat would've been a better choice for starter hat and the fact that she worn a coat that had quite a bit of a collar. Less would've been more on that day, I think.

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Same. The Christmas Day outfit was the one miss for me so far. In general, I think she (and the outfit) looked like she was trying too hard. Plus, she seemed kind of washed out by all the beige and brown tones like she was trying to blend into the background. Given the pressure of the day, I get it. The size and shape of the hat were probably my biggest issue. Once someone described it as an acorn I couldn't unsee it.

While personal style does evolve, I think Meghan's style is pretty well-defined and she's articulated it in a ton of pre-Harry interviews. She knows what works for her and as long as she sticks with that she'll be fine.
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I think you have a point about blending into the background. The one thing I love about Meghan is her confidence in the way she carries herself. Fashion is great, but understanding what your style is and how you feel in it is what makes an outfit work.
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As far as I could see the only "new" item of clothing was her hat! Everything else seems to have come from her wardrobe. I think the neutrals would look marvellous in the city but there is no way she could be prepared for the annual Christmas Day Church parade! I think she played it safe and took notes for future reference.

Had Meghan rocked up in an absolutely glorious ensemble she would have been thoroughly lambasted by the media and the forums so, she did the sensible thing, she dressed down a little to scope out the way things are done. I also think the only thing on her mind was giving HM her very first public curtsey and hoping she didn't end up on her butt.
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Ohhhh now I see what you mean. A cute little fascinator would have been really cute too.
Nooooooooo!!!!!!! I hope she never opts for those things. They look ridiculous (imo): a fashion that was a momentary fad that has far out-lived itself imo. If she takes a cue from anyone I would hope it's Camilla, whose grasp of the hat is glorious. Meghan would/will look so classy in wide-brimmed hats.

I have this theory that fascinators gained momentum because someone thought seeing the face was essential for the crowds. I think that's a mistake. Instead they make the wearer look foolish (to say it nicely). JMO.

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I thought she looked adorable - something about looking prim underneath that hat was a cute picture... it went with her button nose, :)
I agree with you. I would never wear such a hat, but somehow it suited her, which is why I never criticized her for it, but it was a startling choice nevertheless. Unique.
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