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Old 10-17-2006, 10:09 PM
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CP Mary's Transformation from the "Girl Next Door": October 2006 - April 2007

I am terribly fascinated by the transformation of CP Mary of Denmark from the proverbial "girl next door" to a princess, complete with personal stylist and high fashion attire and accessories.

What have you observed about this astonishing transformation? I am looking for observations as to make-up techniques, wardrobe changes, and diet/exercise regimes.

For me, the biggest thing has been Mary's weight loss. She looked like an average girl that has turned crossed the line into model dimensions (tall and slender). Does this mean I could do the same?

How did she do it? Your thoughts and observations, please.
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:36 AM
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The Crown Princess' major transformation definitely has to do with weight loss.

Another would be her access to the best team of stylists and a personal trainer to help her maintain her look.

Lady Bluffton, of course you could accomplish a complete transformation, but it takes a lot of discipline and determination.
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Old 10-18-2006, 12:51 AM
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The major challenge with such a transformation is to retain the person's individuality. Mary is certainly professionally made up and expensively dressed. However, where is Mary? Compare her with the rest of the CP's that have been transformed into royal women and they have all managed to remain them selves. I hope somewhere along the way Mary will add personality to her persona.
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Old 10-18-2006, 01:36 AM
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Mary has always been a fan of outdoor sports such as running, field hocky, horse-back riding, and cycling. Even as mild exercise there are pictures of Mary strolling with Christian around the gardens of the palace. I'm sure she has access to the best gym equipment available so she can exercise inside when winter hits. Her weight loss could also be attributed to stress from becoming Crown Princess. Mary's figure has certainly become more slim since becoming Crown Princess but the summer bathing suit pictures confirm that she is not just skin and bones. I think she's found a healthy balance and she definitely does not need to lose any more weight.
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Old 10-18-2006, 01:40 AM
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I totally disagree that Mary with her new look doesn't look something like what she is naturally,of course she lost weight and she is dressed from designers,but then it's the same for Letizia for example,but for me Mary is still the same as she was before,what i mean is that you can recognize her comparing to what she was before,and I think she is not the most madeup and changed,the most changed after their makeovers are Quenn Rania of Jordan who had some major changes like plastic surergy,weight loss,fashions and makeup... and late princess Diana ,big wieight loss,and fashion style....

I think there's a thread which shows the changes of many royal women from before and after.


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Old 10-18-2006, 01:56 PM
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I am all for fitness and good health, but I guess what bothers me a little bit about Mary's transformation is that she believed the way she was (average girl with curves) was not good enough or suitable for the role she agreed to assume (Crown Princess). In other words, she had to look like a supermodel just to be a CP? Isn't there more to her job than just appearances (i.e. dress size)?

And! If Fred fell in love with her before the transformation, then why does it (a transformation) matter?
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Old 10-18-2006, 02:17 PM
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I don't think it was so much Mary thinking she needed to change her appearance to be a good CP, but the Danish Royal House. I think that when her "training" started, she was taught what a CP is "supposed" to look like.



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I am all for fitness and good health, but I guess what bothers me a little bit about Mary's transformation is that she believed the way she was (average girl with curves) was not good enough or suitable for the role she agreed to assume (Crown Princess). In other words, she had to look like a supermodel just to be a CP? Isn't there more to her job than just appearances (i.e. dress size)?

And! If Fred fell in love with her before the transformation, then why does it (a transformation) matter?
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Good point ldt20 - one can remember how horrible the tabloids were to Sarah Ferguson when she gained weight...maybe something they wanted to avoid - although Mary was hardly overweight when she met Fred. Good styling and make up helps I think. A friend of my sister´s was doing a professional make up course and used my sister as a guinea pig - it´s amazing how good make up can transform or enhance your looks.
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I am all for fitness and good health, but I guess what bothers me a little bit about Mary's transformation is that she believed the way she was (average girl with curves) was not good enough or suitable for the role she agreed to assume (Crown Princess). In other words, she had to look like a supermodel just to be a CP? Isn't there more to her job than just appearances (i.e. dress size)?

And! If Fred fell in love with her before the transformation, then why does it (a transformation) matter?
1. Who says Mary believed that she was not good enough for the role of a crownprincess the way she was?
She looked very normal around the time of her engagement.
Obviously she lost most of her kilos because of the stress of the wedding and her new role.
And so did for example Letizia, just that she was thin already.
Besides Mary had problems with gallstones and was perhaps adviced to take more care of her health and food.
2. In my eyes Mary did not look that bad before her weightloss and she does not look like a supermodel now.
3. There is definitely more to her job, for example the patronage for 20 organizations.
4. Perhaps it matters more to some of the posters on this messageboard than to Frederik?
Why is it that always those who are obviously too superficial to see beyond Mary's dress-size
are those who complain most about Mary's transformation and attitude?
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Old 10-18-2006, 04:05 PM
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1. Who says Mary believed that she was not good enough for the role of a crownprincess the way she was?
She looked very normal around the time of her engagement.
Obviously she lost most of her kilos because of the stress of the wedding and her new role.
And so did for example Letizia, just that she was thin already.
Besides Mary had problems with gallstones and was perhaps adviced to take more care of her health and food.
I think the reference was before meeting and dating Fredrick, not before the engagement, she was involved with him for a couple of years before becoming engaged. That's when the transformation happened!
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Old 10-18-2006, 04:08 PM
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Yes, I totally agree with you Henry! I hate people pretending to look loveable, when they are not. Be simple is what matters to the people. When you are so concerned with your weight and what to wear, how to smile, etc, it doesnt matter - you're just wasting the taxpayer's money. No wonder Diana was the Queen of Hearts - no one, including Mary will ever replace her.
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Old 10-18-2006, 05:22 PM
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Yes, I totally agree with you Henry! I hate people pretending to look loveable, when they are not. Be simple is what matters to the people. When you are so concerned with your weight and what to wear, how to smile, etc, it doesnt matter - you're just wasting the taxpayer's money. No wonder Diana was the Queen of Hearts - no one, including Mary will ever replace her.
Who said Mary was trying to replace Diana- they are world's apart and this thread is about Mary.
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Old 10-18-2006, 08:52 PM
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I think we still see much of the "girl next door"- look at Christian's birthday photos, for example! Mary is in jeans, minimal makeup and is clearly a hands-on mother. We've had lots of photos released that show Mary participating in sports or shopping with friends- in these images, there is very little about her that is glaringly "royal" and much looks the same as she did before she met Frederik.

There must be some degree of transformation for every crown princess- they now represent their nation in a diplomatic capacity and the nature of the job includes state occasions and participation in ceremony and tradition completely different from anything in their previous lives. Wearing a tiara to dinner simply requires a new look.

Mary is thinner than she was four years ago- no question. In all honesty, if I were in her shoes and my photo was taken anytime I stepped outside my home, I would likely want to tone up my tush as well.

I just finished reading with Mary, Crown Princess of Denmarkby Karin Palshoj and Gitte Redder. One of the themes that keeps coming up in the book is how private Mary is. Most of her friends have not shared secrets about her personal life and NONE of us knows how Frederik proposed to her. She has chosen, quite wisely I believe, to keep a large part of her life private.

Maybe that's why some don't connect with her and why there seems to be a transformation of sorts. I really think we are usually able to only see the public Mary- the Princess. She has a role and her clothing fits that role, just as many of us get a new wardrobe if a new job requires different dress. I don't think we see much of the personal Mary, which is much more protected.

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Old 10-18-2006, 09:19 PM
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Isn't it amazing that every thread about Mary becomes a "What bothers you about Mary" thread. Apparently, there are a lot of people that are bothered. It doesn't seem to be going away.
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Isn't it amazing that every thread about Mary becomes a "What bothers you about Mary" thread. Apparently, there are a lot of people that are bothered. It doesn't seem to be going away.
LOL. Maybe someone should open up a thread called What Bothers You About Mary and Letizia...then all those people could just stew in there.
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Old 10-19-2006, 12:45 AM
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LOL. Maybe someone should open up a thread called What Bothers You About Mary and Letizia...then all those people could just stew in there.
Well there's already a What is your opinon of Frederik and Mary thread so thats the Place to post it.

Back to the transformation. I think it's the clothes, make-up and the weight loss. A change in these really can show on a person.
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I think a lot of the changes are down to the type of clothes Mary now wears. Pictures of her pre-princess show her in a lot of casual, looser clothes which on the whole were maybe not that flattering especially when she was a bit fuller figured. Now her clothes are more tailored and well fitted with nipped in waists etc which creates a more streamilined silhouette.
I have to say that I'm quite pleased that Mary's appearance has changed now she is a CP. Before she was 'girl next door' but so are a lot of people, probably me included. I want royalty to be something a little special, a little bit different, something that your average man (or woman!) on the street is not. Mary has transformed from someone who could have been me, my friends, people reading this board to someone a lot of people appear to admire and look up to which is what a princess should be.
Sorry if this all sounds a bit superficial but this is part of the fashion forum so I think I'm allowed to be a little bit frivilous!!
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Old 10-19-2006, 08:58 AM
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Thanks much for all the responses -- and thanks for not letting this become a pro vs. con discussion on Mary.

It's just interesting to me how a person's appearance can make a statement about the less tangible aspects of who they are as a person. As much as I love monitoring Mary's wardrobe (lovely) and tiara sightings, I still can't shake the feeling that this "transformation" has gone a little too far. And yes, I am talking from pre-engagement to now.

The only thing that's different about the royals versus "us" is their position. They still wake up in the morning with goop in their eyes and bad breath. My point is that with Mary's "transformation", I think we lost a little of the "real" Mary. Mary from the suburbs has been buried beneath the trappings of expensive make-up and toning from personal trainers. And I, for one, think that is sad.

I think I would really like Maxima in person; she seems so real...not so sure I can say the same thing about Mary, and I still go back to the "transformation". The girl got lost somewhere along the way.
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I think Mary's transformation has been steady, in the sense that it didn't happen overnight and relatively natural. Sure, she's lost some weight, but Mary was not overweight to begin with and she has not lost weight to the point where she looks sickly, so it hasn't been a very dramatic, unhealthy weight loss. I think her figure looks healthy and athletic - we all know how much she loves sports. There have been some other transformations in terms of weight that do not look like natural weight loss (I won't name any names, but I'm sure some people can think of a few names), but Mary isn't one of them.

Yes, her style has changed a lot and she looks much more polished and refined, but being polished and refined helps her represent her new adopted country - who wants a princess who doesn't look like she cares enough about her role to dress well? I equate this to any other royal, or even CEOs of companies, Presidents/Prime Ministers of countries, who represent something more than themselves and subsequently dress well in order to show respect for what they represent. As a Canadian, when I see Queen Elizabeth II, who is the Queen of Canada as well as all the other commonwealth countries, I appreciate seeing her dressed well, even in her older age, as it shows that she respects her position and the countries she represents. Mary, as a younger princess, of course dresses a little more in style than the older royals do, but she always dresses well, with polish and class, which to me shows that she cares about the way she represents her country and the position she holds.

What some people feel about her work aside from how she looks is a topic for a different thread altogether, but I think Mary's transformation has been natural and appropriate, and see no issues with it.

Whether Mary has lost a bit of her identity is difficult to judge from pictures and footage of her in her public role. As a Crown Princess, she is representing Denmark and the royal family, not herself. How she is in private is a much better judge of whether she's lost who she is... and we will probably never know this unless we know Mary herself. I have a suspicion though that she is still, more or less, the same Mary she was then in terms of character and personality, and I'm sure her family in Australia would probably agree. Yes, she is much more disciplined and professional (for lack of a better word) in her public role, and while I am sure she is still respectful of her position in her private life, I suspect she is more loose, fun and more "Mary from the suburbs" (to quote above) when she is not on her official duties, like when she is with Frederik, Christian, her family, friends, etc.. Of course, we can't know this... so I wouldn't spend too much time speculating on whether or not Mary is the same person on the inside as she was when she met Frederik.

Lady Bluffton - I think you could go through a "transformation" like Mary's, too, but it would take quite a bit of money and time, as well as commitment and discipline, as has been mentioned upthread.
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I think everyone and anyone would change , espically becoming a princess! at the end of the day Princess Mary does a good job ! and she has had a lot to deal with , new language , country , the press etc . keep up the good work mary !
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