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Old 08-17-2008, 10:27 AM
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I could not agree more, Thomas. She just drips in the jewels. WOW!!!
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Old 08-22-2008, 05:26 PM
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You might do better to call the Tower of London or Buckingham Palace. I'm trying to dig through stuff online to find the actual law.

Actually, better: call Westminster. The archives there should be able to help.
I have already tried the Parliamentary Archivist, the curator of the Tower of London and have asked the question via Royal Insight (on the Royal website). No one seems to know. In fact the curator of the Tower asked if I found out, could I let them know?????

Ive looked through the on-line UK Legal Database - and nothing... which makes me think, is it the law or not????
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Old 08-22-2008, 05:49 PM
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Well, one of the sites on a Google search says that "by ancient custom" the Crown isn't supposed to leave the country. So there may not actually be a law.

Have you tried e-mailing the Palace?
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Old 09-05-2008, 11:06 AM
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Ah, but Elspeth, Most Noble, Oh She Who Must Be Obeyed, do you not, oh Noble One, understand that Great Britain does not have a written constitution, that is a single document in one written form. There are numerous laws on the books which serve as the constitution along with "ancient custom" and established custom. It is simply understood that this is how things are done and certain things are "just not done." Lovely. One of those things is that the regalia do not leave the shores of the kingdom. That is about as ironclad as any law in written form on the books. Cheers.
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Old 10-02-2008, 10:51 AM
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About the State Regalia leaving Britain...

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Can anyone help PLEASE - its driving me wild with frustration!!!!!
Well I tried ALL recognised sources... so then I thought I would email the Crown Jeweller (H Collins)... his reply is as follows (which I thought I would share with you all):
"I have done some research into this and had no luck, so I asked Sir Hugh Roberts, Director of the Royal Collection, who found the following:

As often is the case with such matters, it seems there is no hard and fast Law or Statute that one can put one's hand on. I have always assumed that the 'custom and practice' (for such I think it really is) of not allowing the State Regalia to leave the country arose at the time of the deposition of James II, when, I think there was a real fear that he might make off with the Regalia. Certainly by the time that the Delhi Durbar was being thought about, the King's Private Secretary (Sir Arthur Bigge) was in no doubt that a new crown would have to be made: 'Nor is it possible' he wrote to the Viceroy 'to take the State crowns out of England (9 Feb 1911).

This opinion was not questioned by the Viceroy and on 27 March 1911 the Private Secretary wrote to the Viceroy again: 'As no Regalia can be taken from England, the King has ordered a crown...from Garrard'. Three days after he telegraphed the Viceroy: 'There are two indisputable facts, viz., a crown must be available and none of the Regalia can be brought from England' (30 March).

I do hope this helps with your enquiry, please do not hesitate to contact us if we can be of any further assistance.

Yours sincerely

Harry Collins

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Hope you found this interesting.

Glencairn.
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Old 10-22-2008, 07:28 AM
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** HM Presents the Imperial State Crown **

Credit for this wonderful find goes to Alex G at RJOTWMB.
It was filmed in conjunction with the Royal Heritage book in 1976.
The clip finishes with a rousing version of Zadok the Priest.


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Old 10-22-2008, 04:42 PM
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Warren, just .........Extrodinary!!! Thank You.
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Do you think when Charles is crowned that Camilla will wear the Queen Mum's crown or one of the older ones like Queen Mary's? I know she has a lot of the Queen Mum's other jewels like the Honeycomb tiara.
My guess is that HRH The Duchess of Cornwall will not be crowned. It is not necessary to crown the consort, HRH will become Queen anyhow, unless parliament passes a bill. On the occasion of the coronation of current heir apparent HRH will probably wear the diamond diadem made for George IV that HM wears on her ride to and from the palace of Westminster for the opening of parliament.
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In this pic (source: hola) is Her Majesty the Queen Elizabeth II wearing the miniatures of her parents? I am sure one is King George VI, but I'm not sure if the other is herself or the late Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother?
And one more question: What is the name and history of the tiara?
No, the person depicted in the pic on the blue ribbon is her grandfather King George V.
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Old 05-04-2010, 08:44 PM
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I'm not sure if this is the proper place for this, but I wanted to show a pic I found when I was researching the York dynasty (my fave dynasty) it's the crown of Edward IV's sister, Margaret.

Excerpt from wiki: Margaret of York - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Margaret's crown (made in about 1461) was adorned with pearls, and with enamelled white roses for the house of York set between red, green and white enamelled letters of her name, with gold C's and M's, entwined with lovers' knots (it can still be seen in the treasury at Aachen Cathedral. The removal of the crown to Aachen was significant, since it allowed its survival from the ravages of the later English Civil War which involved the destruction of all the main English Crown Jewells. It thus remains the only medieval royal British crown still surviving."

I know wiki got the underlined bit wrong, because an earlier post in this very thread by ysbel was a pic of a tiara belonging to the daughter of Henry IV, therefore there are at least two crowns still in existence worn by English royalty.

It's so small to fit over a conical headdress or a hennin. The link below leads to a site where you can see the crown on the left, unfortunatly I can't find a better pic.

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Old 07-04-2010, 03:02 AM
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In this pic (source: hola) is Her Majesty the Queen Elizabeth II wearing the miniatures of her parents? I am sure one is King George VI, but I'm not sure if the other is herself or the late Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother?
And one more question: What is the name and history of the tiara?
I think the tiara question has been addressed, so I'll discuss the miniatures. They are awards from the Royal Family Orders of various sovereigns.

The Royal Family Order is a personal memento issued to female members of the family, usually as a thank you for their service to the monarch. The custom is to wear the most recent one towards the top. Queen Elizabeth II wears the order of her father, George VI, and her grandfather, George V. So that would be her grandfather in that second one with the blue ribbon.

Queen Alexandra had her own personal order that she bestowed upon those in her service, but it was an unofficial order. Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother did not have an order of her own. She wore the order of her daughter, her husband, and her father in law.

It's also interesting to note who receives the Queen's order and who doesn't. Diana received one, but Sarah, Duchess of York did not. Camilla and Sophie have both received it, as well as Zara Phillips. The Duchess of Kent and Gloucester have it as well, as does Princess Alexandra. Princess Michael of Kent does not have it.

It's not something that gets announced, either, so the only way to see who has it is to see who is wearing one at formal events.

ETA: Whoops! When I started digging a little deeper to see if there were photos of Zara wearing the order, I found that Wikipedia lied to me!
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Old 07-04-2010, 06:56 AM
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ETA: Whoops! When I started digging a little deeper to see if there were photos of Zara wearing the order, I found that Wikipedia lied to me!
This strange furphy of "Zara has the RFO" has been an ongoing issue at Wiki. The Zara reference is removed by someone only to be reinstated by (I assume) someone else. This to and fro on the Wiki RFO page has been a regular occurrence for at least two years, maybe longer. No substantiation of this "Zara has the RFO" claim has ever been made.
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This beautiful piece of jewel is made in diamonds and pearls. The circular diadem is decorated with four crosses-pattées, set with diamonds, representing St. George, the front one with a wonderful honey-coloured diamond in the centre. The four bouquets of flowers in diamonds include roses, thistles and shamrocks, representing England, Scotland and Ireland. Wales, being a principality, was not represented. Below, two rows of pearls with diamonds in the middle make it one of the finest pieces of jewellery of the royal collection. It is part of the Crown Jewels since the death of HM Queen Victoria, who left it to the Crown in her will.

The picture is scanned from an old magazine and hosted by myself.
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And a video (2006): all is in the title



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Thank you ! I enjoyed that video clip :-)
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Prince of Wales Crown 1911

Hello!
I have only just started to become interested in Royal Jewels so I was excited to join this group!
...I am interested in finding out more about the "Prince of Wales 1911 Crown". I'm not even sure if this is the correct name for it which makes searching for information quite difficult.
It looks like there are some extremely knowledgeable members in this forum so I was hoping that somebody could give me some information about it?

This is what I'm referring to (I couldn't find a decent colour image, maybe somebody has one they could post?):


Does anybody know the correct name for this crown?
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I think so. The one used at the Investiture of the Prince of Wales?
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Old 09-24-2010, 07:36 AM
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The Prince of Wales 1911 Investiture coronet had no arches. See here.

mezzamay, there is an image of your crown/coronet here, identified as "British Coronet HRH Prince of Wales" but the date, "circa 1895" confuses the issue. Maybe it is more stylised than real, or the date is incorrect.

However, the Prince of Wales (later George V) wore an arched coronet at the coronation of his father Edward VII in 1902. I can't find a photo but there's a "representation" here. Note the difference in the arches, but without a picture or accurate description it's impossible to tell if it is correct.

What we do know is that Edward VIII as Prince of Wales wore his father's coronet with arches detached at his Investiture in 1911, which leads us back to first picture above.
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...the Order of the Elephant, the oldest order of chivalry in Europe I believe.
Actually I think that the Order of the Garter is the oldest order of chivalry in Europe.
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Order of the Garter: established 1348
Order of the Elephant: established 1693
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