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Old 02-17-2014, 04:57 AM
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Thanks, crown.

Your source states that the building programme by Christian IV brought DK to the brinck of bankrupcy.
That I think is a somewhat hasty conclusion.
Christian IV did indeed build a lot of the magnificent buildings we see today in primarily Copenhagen but Denmark at that time was a wealthy country, simply because we had manged to stay clear from the Thirty Years War and the other wars in Central Europe at the time.
Until that is, we got involved in 1625. That led to the first sacking of Jutland, Holstein and Schleswig.
But the rest of the country was practically unaffected, even though the taxation was high. The casualty rate was limited as well, because the army consited of predominantly mercenaries. But mercenaries costs a fortune!

The Swedish model of general conscription was in its infancy, so the drain on manpower in wars was limited, which again meant that it was easier to recover economically.

Contrary to popular belief the Thirty Years War was not one big atrocity, with constant massacres and sacking of cities. The sacking of Magdeburg later on was actually something of an exception, which it is why it to this day is remembered with horror.
The vast majority of systematic atrocities happened later on, simply because the armies increasingly had to live off the land but also as a means to destroy the economic basis for your enemies. - And that economic impact is, I think, the main reason why the war ended with something as novel as an international summit ending up in a negotiated peace.
The real killer was desease. However estimates sets the number of deaths during the Thirty Years War at eight million in what is modern Germany. That's a lot! - Except, they occured over a thirty year period and the mortality rate was high anyway. So the number of people who died as a direct consequence of the war was actually fairly limited.

Back to Denmark. It was the First Skanska War that brought economic disaster to Denmark and that was initiated by Frederik III. Culminating in the storm on Copenhagen in 1659.
Nevertheless just a couple decades later DK had recovered enough to gather, equip and train a vast army, which narrowly won militarily over Sweden. Politically DK lost that war, But that's another story.

Even after the end of the Great Nordic War in 1720, DK managed to recover quite soon and became, as a country, pretty wealthy during the rest of the 1700's.
Sweden however was still down on it's knees after having its male population decimated and economy shattered to pieces. The Swedish nobillity had amassed a lot of wealth during the wars, little of which trickled down to the rest of the population.
In DK it was primarily merchants who sat on the money, but at least they created jobs and opportunities.

- Oh dear, it happened again! Half a novel, because of one sentence.

FOLLOW UP.

The building programmes initiated by Christian IV in particular were indeed extensive, but they were also a necessity.
Denmark was during the 1500's and certainly by the year 1600 emerging as a modern European nation. But there wasn't any real stock exchange, there wasn't an official observatory, there wasn't a modern naval yard and many "palaces" were basically run down medieval castles - until Christian IV came along.

Sorry if I'm moving in on your topic, crown, but this is an interesting subject, eh?
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Old 02-17-2014, 06:12 AM
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You are right - bancruptcy may be a stretch :-)
But I believe it is safe to say that the bill for his extensive entrepreneurship was exorbitant
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Old 02-17-2014, 07:03 AM
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You are right - bancruptcy may be a stretch :-)
But I believe it is safe to say that the bill for his extensive entrepreneurship was exorbitant
Oh, it was. But remember that the building projects themselves created jobs and stimulated the economy, not least because so many of the buildings were practical. That rubbed off on other wealthy people in DK, who also initiated their own building projects, if for no other reason that they didn't want to appear old fashioned.
Apart from that, money attracts money. It was in this period Danish international or rather global trade expanded in earnest, not least with the help of Dutch settlers, who brought with them a lot of modern methods and also technical innovations. (Some of the Dutch names live on among wellknown Danish families today. Also among M&F's friends. IRRC Meulengracht are of Dutch origin).
While Huegenotte refugees from France settled in other parts of Denmark, especially in the fortress town of Fredericia. They also brought with them a certain drive and know how.
Because during the 1500's Denmark was somewhat of a backwater. Sure we had a very profitable trade in the Baltic, yes we had a strong and quite modern navy but apart from that, there really wasn't much to write home about.

One such thing was Kronborg. But had Shakespeare ever visited Copenhagen Castle at that time, he would without hesitation have moved Hamlet. Copenhagen Castle as a location would be any horror-writers wet dream!

Anyway, had Christian IV not made the big mistake of entering the Thirty Years War, or at least delayed the entry, we might have been a lot better off.
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Old 02-17-2014, 07:30 AM
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CIV was certainly a complex character. His involvement in the Thirty Years War was only one more bad military decisions. According so some historians the country was in pretty tight financial situation because of his strong urge to build and create. His private life was also a bit of a mess. I wonder if he was as popular in his day as he is now.
His son decided not to finish one of his buildings, the Sankt Anna Rotunda destined to be a Nordic version of St Pauls Cathedral in Rome. I for one think he was a bit of a megalomaniac but I do acknowledge the fact that without him Scandinavia would be a very different place today.
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Old 04-01-2014, 06:40 PM
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Sonderborg Castle is situated in Sonderborg, Denmark on the island of Als in South Jutland.

A fortified tower was constructed by King Valdemar I of Denmark in 1158.
The castle was built to provide protection against attacks by the Wends and was part of a large system of fortifications.

Ownership of the castle changed hands many times.

The wedding of Valdemar IV (1320-1375) to the Duke of Schleswig's daughter, Helvig of Schleswig, occurred at Sonderborg Castle in 1340.
Around 1350 Sonderborg Castle was expanded by the addition of the Blue Tower and huge outer walls.

In 1490, the fortress became the property of the Danish crown.

King Hans and his son, King Christian II extended Sonderborg Castle.
In the mid 1500s King Christian III had the fortress converted into a four-wing castle.

The architect Hercules von Oberberg built the castle chapel for Queen Dorothea.
The chapel's organ is attributed to the organ builder Hermann Raphaelis. The organ is estimated to have been built in 1570.
Sonderborg Castle remained in the hands of the dukes of Southern Jutland until 1667.
The castle became a Danish estate.
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Old 04-25-2014, 05:35 PM
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The original Grasten Castle was a hunting and leisure castle which was built in the middle of the 1500s.
In 1603 Grasten Castle burned down.
A new edifice was built.
Chancellor Frederik Ahlefeldt had an impressive castle (palace) erected. In 1757 this Grasten Castle (Palace) burned down.
The new Grasten Palace originated in 1759.
Grasten Palace was renovated as a summer residence for Crown Prince Frederik (the future King Frederik IX) and Crown Princess Ingrid of Denmark when they were newlyweds.
The palace was presented to Frederik and Ingrid by the state as a gift from the people. This occurred in 1935.
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Old 04-29-2014, 07:26 AM
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Within the past five years or so wolves have returned to Denmark and that's very exciting.

Here is a map where wolves have been spotted, either by DNA evidence or by cameras. - Eye wittness reports and carcasses have not been included. And I have added the location of the royal residences.
https://app.box.com/s/hh2dogang70w41evnvvt
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Old 06-13-2014, 08:56 AM
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As a follow up on my previous post: DNA-analyser afslører: Mindst 11 ulve i Danmark | Videnskab.dk

At least eleven different wolves have now been positively identified here in DK, since the first spotting in 2012.
So far they've only been spottet in Jutland, but it must only be a matter of time before some swim across to the Island of Funen, despite the strong current. And only an icewinter away before they may cross the ice to Zealand.

The wolves appears to have migrated all the way from the Polish/german border, two perhaps all the way from the Baltic countries.

As it is it's now only a matter of time before M&F, not to mention J&M at Schackenborg will hear wolves and perhaps spot one themselves.
It appears to be a surprise that so many wolves have ended up here in DK and so fast. - But I don't think so. After they have entered the Jutland peninsula, there really aren't many places to go from there, it's a looong swim to Norway and Sweden from here.
Last year traces of a wolf was found within a comfortable walking distance of our home.

Foreigners are often surprised at how much woodland and forest there is here in DK. While there a lots of people in eastern Zealand, centran Funen and along th east coats of Jutland there are many places outside that area that is fairly undisturbed.
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Old 06-13-2014, 11:53 AM
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I love wolves a great deal, I collect pictures, calendars, and figurines of them as dogs and all animals in Africa. I hope nobody kills them, after all the 4 legged animal was here before us(humans, sometimes we are the most hateful of all animals) and they deserve a place on this earth as much as anyone does. Only 12 in the entire country.........that sure isn't a heck of a lot of wolves now. And I also collect bears, even stuffed ones that I had as a child now ragged and torn to pieces, I am a huge fan of the 4 legged animal and not a huge fan of the 2 legged human animal for we don't do justice to our 4 legged animals at all as we are the one with the *Brains* which we don't use most of the time.
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Old 06-13-2014, 12:27 PM
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It's illegal to shoot them.

However eleven wolves or more is a decent size, considering there haven't been any here since 1700-something.
I believe I read somewhere that DK can accomodate up to around 30 wolves, a pack needs a big territory.

Alas, a few of them will be shot illegally, and some will also fall prey to the most dangerous predator here in DK, the car.
But that's a good thing. It keeps the wolves scared of humans. Their fear is their best protection.

But they sure a fascinating animals and it's not like we have seen people being attacked by wolves in Germany, where the (human) population density is in some places a lot higher than here, so I think there is very little reason to fear them. And with the European bison returning to DK as well, wildlife here is starting to get interesting!
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Old 06-18-2014, 12:19 PM
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A completely updated, edited and much more detailed map of DRF residencies, homes of some of their friends and other locations often associated with the DRF.
https://app.box.com/s/5pc2zsdggt19264bqvfd

Large file! Allow time to load. - So I suggest you download and use it for future reference.

Future updates and additions to the map will be posted in this thread.
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Old 06-18-2014, 12:30 PM
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A completely updated, edited and much more detailed map of DRF residencies, homes of some of their friends and other locations often associated with the DRF.
https://app.box.com/s/5pc2zsdggt19264bqvfd

Large file! Allow time to load. - So I suggest you download and use it for future reference.

Future updates and additions to the map will be posted in this thread.

Muhler, this is absolutely beautiful and helps a lot to visualize
great job and a big thank you.
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Old 06-21-2014, 06:05 AM
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https://app.box.com/s/uw4i6f68w1f7d3rau4gn
https://app.box.com/s/5374a203wwfmb5g3fb1d

This might interest those among you who are interested in antique furnitures and/or old junk.

Explanation to captions: Vurderet = estimated sale price. Hammerslag = sold for at auction.

Summary of article in Billed Bladet #25, 2014.
Written by our aution investigator, Lisbeth Grube.

Recently the court put up 1.200 items and furnitures for sale. They all came from the palaces: Christiansborg, Amalienborg, Eremitageslottet, Sorgenfri and Bernstorff.
It was the first such auction for 60 years.

Most of the furnitures were from guest rooms, representation, offices and so on, but there were also a number of items that had been used by the DRF privately.
Most of was as such (IMO) old junk but there were a few gems here and there.
The assessment was for 1.2 million DKK, but every single item was sold for a total of 1.5 million DKK. And the surplus will go to renovate furnitures at palaces and museums. (The DRF employ their own artisans who restore funritures).
The owner of the auction house, Ole Steen Christensen, believe QMII has had a look at all (the personal) items, just to check and to okay them being sold.
- As far as I can tell most of the furnitures are from Frederik IX and Queen Ingrid and before that.

If you look at the first scan, in the lower left corner, you will see a sticker and a stamp.
The sticker with IF, means that the item was used privately by Frederik IX and Queen Ingrid.
The stamp means that the items is no longer in use.

You are very welcome, Polyesco.
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Old 08-08-2014, 06:55 AM
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Her er prins Joachims nye hjem - Hus - Bolig

Jyllands Posten reports that Joachim and our Marie have bought their new home.
It is as yet not fully confirmed but Jyllands Posten is a very serious newspaper.
The house is located north of Copenhagen City in Klampenborg in one of the most expensive neighborhoods in DK.
The is from 1919. The ground is large, some 2.500 square meters and the newly renovated house is big as well, some 600 square meters.
The price is estimated at around 35 million DKK or a little more than 6 million Dollars or around 4.5 million Euro.

More details here: Her skal prins Joachim og prinsesse Marie bo - Boliga.dk

Emiliekildevej 19A - Villa på 344 kvm - 2930 Klampenborg (Arkiv)
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Old 08-08-2014, 07:14 AM
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It looks nice and quite private with large grounds and a selection of outbuildings.
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Old 08-08-2014, 07:18 AM
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BB claims to have had the purchase verified by the court. Kongehuset bekræfter: Prinsesse Marie og Joachim skal bo i Klampenborg | Billed Bladet

So that means a new thread must be created, because no doubt there will be many more details published over the next few days.
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Old 08-08-2014, 01:43 PM
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The press has now begun to decend on J&Ms new home.

Here are a number of pics from BT, as far as they were able to obtain them: Se billederne: Her er Joachim og Maries nye hjem | www.bt.dk

A car, believed to be from PET, has been observed in the area.
The road the villa is located on is closed, which means the entrance to the houses on that road can be fenced off.
It will be a relatively minor expenxe to place a guard at the gate, whether that guard will come from a private company or if considered necessary from PET. People on the orad should certainly be able to afford security 24/7.
The increased security and police patrolling as it is will no doubt please the neighbors!
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Old 08-08-2014, 05:35 PM
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Another forum said it was in the same street as Hvidore. Once co-owned by sisters Qu Alexandra and the Empress Maria Feodorovna.
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Old 08-10-2014, 12:51 PM
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The map of Danish residencies has been updated: https://app.box.com/s/5pc2zsdggt19264bqvfd

Since so many DRF residencies are located in Copenhagen and Northern Zealand, a more detailed map of that area will be uploaded later.

ADDED: And here is a map of DRF residencies and other places in connection with the DRF in Copenhagen and Northern Zealand: https://app.box.com/s/crhqogiydaoarpkgbrik
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How far is their new house from the Palace? From Alex's house? From Nikolai's new boarding school?
What will now happen to the apartment (at the palace) that Joachim Marie & children have been semi living in? Will someone else move in?

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