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Old 07-29-2018, 05:59 PM
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Well done to Queen Margrethe. I think that sort of thing is class.
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Old 09-29-2018, 09:14 AM
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Let's talk about Dragsholm Slot - one of the most haunted places in Denmark.

Dragsholm started as a castle perhaps as early as 1215.
Originally it was a castle under the bishop of Roskilde but from the Reformation in 1536 it was taken over by the crown. And remained under the crown until 1664.
It was a sinister looking place! It looked like a forbidding castle and it was! Sometimes also used as a prison for nobles - and probably some unfortunate commoners as well, who ended up in the dungeons.
It was also a kind of lunatic asylum for major nobles.
From 1694 and until 1936 it belonged to the Adeler family.
Today it belongs to the Bøttger family - who are friends with QMII.
The current owner is Mads Bøttger.

Nowadays it's a hotel and a one star Michelin-restaurant and a place often used for weddings. - More on that later.

The castle has a dramatic history with sieges, fires and sackings during the many dramatic periods in Danish history.
Not to mention the personal histories of the occupants.

Here is Dragsholm from above:
https://app.box.com/s/dga8zzps5snvn9n90g0bg4fa4tcqok9p

The castle is surrounded by a moat. It looks less sinister than previously, but it is still very much clear that the place started as a castle with thick walls.
https://app.box.com/s/yj5hd8v4slh2g0sff5kquujrap1brgj0
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The castle has a cold atmosphere about it, that is perhaps particularly evident during winter:
https://app.box.com/s/6tnz4yvvvqhaetx0cyuhhcjysxxleiho

As a guest you will enter the courtyard:
https://app.box.com/s/59kzszvuhnpcvdb9saj6bywoqhb3ueck
Before you stand inside a courtyard, where every sounded echoes:
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The castle church is a place where many weddings takes place:
https://app.box.com/s/4vw3yx6czfryz9y1r8v7sous55klnp0e

The view from some of the guestrooms is pretty idyllic though:
https://app.box.com/s/dktui2q9bpwr4d6gz6ovfajknybphonn

But this is very much a haunted place and Dragsholm has it's fair share of "white ladies", ghosts and candles that spontaneously go out and reignite.
https://app.box.com/s/iefq66ezssr4rrldaimjyj7u24wrtwjv
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And the most spooky ghost of them all, Celestine Mariann de Bayonne Gyldenstjerne.
In 1540 it was the Gyldenstjerne family who ran the place for the crown and one the daughters, Celestine Mariann de Bayonne Gyldenstjerne, had an affair with a stable-boy. Got pregnant and as such disgraced her family.
The stable-boy was killed, the daughter was bricked up.
I.e. she was put in a niche in the wall, the niche was bricked up and she was left to die...
She was found during a renovation in 1919. And here her skeleton was found. There were no signs of a fetus though. So while she may have had intercourse with the stable-boy she didn't become pregnant.
Here she is, still in place:
https://app.box.com/s/m6ck6vu9agkoqmcm6qaiiawzvoblycml
https://app.box.com/s/g2mpk68djoh201ubxoleutljdq33eqi8

Imagine her being probably bound and placed in the niche, while workmen began to add brick after brick...
Perhaps she was defiant? Perhaps she cursed her family? Perhaps she was merely sobbing? - But not for long.
As the bricks rose higher she would have begun to plead. To beg. To cry for someone, anyone, to help her. And then she would scream.
You would have been able to hear her muffled screams for perhaps several days - then silence...
It's a truly horrendous story!

Several newly wed couples who had spend their wedding night at Dragsholm, have told about a young woman, Celestine, standing in their room, who was looking at them while they made love.
She appears to have a fondness for pillows. Because several brides have told how they have found their pillow in the morning, removed from under their heads and neatly placed on the floor during the night.
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Old 09-29-2018, 04:00 PM
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Wow. A body in the walls, truly horrific.
Thanks for the info and links Muhler
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Old 09-29-2018, 04:31 PM
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It is!
I had heard about such stories and apart from a few well-documented cases I wondered how much truth there was in them.
It's a little more, how to put it, authentic, when you actually see the skeleton of someone who suffered this gruesome fate.

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Here is more on Dragsholm. It really was an unpleasant place to end up!

Text by Cheryl Adams Richkoff.

- Centuries later, this type of immurement was still being used, but as a form of punishment. A good example comes from the unfortunate end of James Hepburn, third husband of Mary, Queen of Scots, who was accused of treason and other high crimes. He fled Scotland, but was apprehended in Denmark where they imprisoned him beneath Dragsholm Castle, outside of Copenhagen. He was put in a hole that was not large enough for him to stand in, tossed scraps of food, chained, and in complete darkness.

The Danish considered his case for a time, but eventually, as politics changed, Hepburn was forgotten. Five years later, they remembered Hepburn and observed that he was more like a wild animal than a human. Snarling, crawling, and pacing back and forth on his chain, Hepburn died shortly after the observation. -

The story about the Earl of Bothwell is true.
The message went out to Queen Elizabeth I that he had gone completely insane while at Dragsholm...
Something that would have been politically convenient for QEI. Keep in mind that Protestant England and Protestant Denmark was on very good terms at the time. These god relations became even better when James I ended up on the throne.
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Old 09-29-2018, 04:37 PM
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What a fascinating place with a very long history. I'm going to put it on my list of places to take hubby one of these days without telling him anything. He's sensitive to spirits and says he actually talked to one of them in a old civil war building here.

The story of Celeste's spirit adds to the human understanding of what this unfortunate being must have gone through and felt at the time. What a cruel punishment. But then, I suppose as it was a different time and place, it would have been deemed acceptable.

Thanks Muhler!
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Old 09-29-2018, 05:09 PM
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You are welcome.

Interred alive would actually have been considered a pretty extreme punishment at the time, even in a country that by the time was still half medieval. - For a noble girl, that is.

There are a couple of things to take into consideration.
By 1540 Denmark had just recovered after what was arguably one of the most vicious and brutal civil wars in our history - and some of the "old habits" in regards to extreme punishments during wars had perhaps not been forgotten.
Another matter is the Bloodbath in Stockholm in 1520, in which the Danish king (Christian II), literally decapitated a good deal of the Swedish nobility in order to quell political opposition in Sweden. That backfired big time, but that's another story. That bloodbath was considered very shocking at the time! - So brutality and what was executions without a trial was not something novel.
On top of that the Danish nobility fought a stubborn rearguard action in regards to maintaining the old privileges of the nobility. Mainly tax exemptions but also the right to hand out sentences over the peasants within their fief and also within their own families, as we see in this example.
The kings wanted to have a central government and having courts of law dealing with such issues, also in regards to the nobility.

Killing the stable-boy without a trial would strictly speaking have been illegal since 1282, where the Danish version of Magna Carta (It was very much a copy of Magna Carta!) was written.
And so would the bricking up of a daughter. - To "counter" that, it could be argued that the daughter wasn't actually killed - she "merely" died from suffocation, shock or thirst from being interred alive... And it says in the Bible, if you interpret it selectively, that the head of a household has the right to slay family members if they sin.
And anyway it wasn't anyone's business but the family, so buck off!
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Old 09-29-2018, 05:50 PM
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Gosh Muhler what an interesting story. You are right the Castle is not a warm inviting looking place at all. And I question why any couple would Want to marry there, let alone stay the night with a ghost.
Every country it seems has gruesome medieval histories. And some more recent gruesome histories.

Osipi I often have very strong feelings with Aboriginal spirits here. The best way to explain it is I often Feel a spirit presence when i am in certain places. Usually in the outback, where you are not surrounded by manmade noise.

Thanks again Muhler for your time, you have always been a great story teller.
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Old 10-19-2018, 12:10 PM
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Autumn colors at the royal castles

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Old 11-08-2018, 08:30 PM
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Photographs of the Yellow Palace in the 1800s
The salon, dining room and study are featured. Prince Valdemar and Princess Marie's rooms are also featured.
Winter Palace Research : The Yellow Palace - Det Gule Palæ - in Copenhagen
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Old 04-02-2019, 11:49 AM
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The Palace share spring pictures from the Royal Castles!

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Old 04-16-2019, 12:16 PM
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In light of the horrible fire at Notre Dame yesterday, questions have been asked what would happen if something similar should happen at one of the Danish palaces or churches that are of national-cultural importance.

https://jyllands-posten.dk/premium/i...gtigst-foerst/

For each such building there is a contingency plan. Each room with artifacts contain a secret list the firefighters will use, listing what to save first.
The order is: Save what can be saved, but try save items X, Y, Z first.
The lists are secret, in order not to make things easier for thieves.

It is down to the fire-chief in charge to decide which rooms in say a palace that are to be emptied for artifacts. Of course priorities are to the rooms most in danger of the flames.

In Roskilde Cathedral, which is the cathedral that can best be compared in importance to Notre Dame, the attic is vacuum cleaned regularly to prevent dust from nourishing a fire.

However, the Danish Emergency Organizations have called for better measures against fire at the various historical buildings. - And after the fire yesterday I think it's safe to say that there will be a review at the various buildings.
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