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Old 06-29-2013, 01:10 PM
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Plan failed to include Baby Cambridge who will probably be around 30 years old when William becomes King.

W & K = KP then BP (no need to play musical chairs/houses)
Baby Cambridge = CH (House left vacant until W becomes king.)
Harry = St. James' Palace. By the time Charles is King, Harry will be probably be #6 or so. Baby Cambridge might have several kids.
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Old 06-29-2013, 01:15 PM
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I think there is a chance Harry (and family) will get Clarence House once Charles becomes king. And if Charles chooses to live in BP of course. I think William and Kate will stay in KP until William becomes king.
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Old 06-29-2013, 01:24 PM
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No because women usually outlive men & then Camilla will end up in BP or homeless or she will have to evict Harry.
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Old 06-29-2013, 02:03 PM
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I'm sure they can find her a spot. It's not like they are short of space. Besides, doesn't Camilla still have her own house somewhere in Wiltshire??
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Old 06-29-2013, 02:51 PM
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Plan failed to include Baby Cambridge who will probably be around 30 years old when William becomes King.

W & K = KP then BP (no need to play musical chairs/houses)
Baby Cambridge = CH (House left vacant until W becomes king.)
Harry = St. James' Palace. By the time Charles is King, Harry will be probably be #6 or so. Baby Cambridge might have several kids.
Not necessarily. While the Windsor women are very long lived, the opposite is true for the men. Geo 5, 6, and DoW all died young. Could be that QEII might outlive Charles. In which case, baby Cambridge will be first in line way earlier.
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Old 06-29-2013, 03:22 PM
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Even if Charles dies Camilla keeps Clarence House.

CH is usually for heir, heir's heir or dowager. Camilla will still fall into the dowager category even if Charles never becomes King. QV's father was never King. (Just because she isn't blood doesn't mean they would throw her out.)

QV's mother lived in CH from 1840 to her death in 1861. It was left vacant until 1866, when QV gave it to her 2nd son. Her heir Edward VII had Marborough House which is larger. The RF no longer has MH as a royal residence so CH is left for the heir, dowager & the heir's heir. If Charles dies before the Queen, Harry still isn't the heir's heir and Camilla still outranks Harry.

Harry is PA (Anne & Andrew). He is lucky to get Nottingham Cottage. Charles was the POW, the heir, a fulltime royal with a charity umbrella organization & until he married he only had 3 room in BP (bedroom, bathroom, sitting room.)

Princess Anne the hardest working royal for decades only had 3 room in BP until she moved to her small quarter in St. James' Palace.

Camilla has claims on CH. It is her current home, she decorated it. (The Morning Room at CH is clearly her room as it was Prince Phillips. It is decorated in her favorited colors. The same colors as her 2nd wedding dress.) She has possession. She has precedence and history on her side.

Why would you think Harry deserves CH?
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Old 06-29-2013, 03:38 PM
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To me this is not about deserving. It just does not make sense. It all depends on where Charles wants to live when he becomes king. If it's BP or WC and I assume William and Kate will stay in KP, than I don't see why a perfectly good house should remain empty just because Charles might die first. If, before Charles died, Harry has a family of his own, CH could be used for him. It might also not be. He might just get an apartment in KP. Nottingham cottage is to small for a family.
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:16 PM
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PA has a family, so does Andrew and Edward. They all only have offices or small apartments in BP or St. James Palace.

CH's functions: The Prince of Wales uses it to receive visitors from the United Kingdom and overseas, and for official dinners, receptions and meetings.

CH is not a private residence to be passed on for a 2nd son, especially in this era when the republicans are screaming about every penny spent.

If it is vacant for a few years, it would just be opened to the public more often. Already 1/2 the building is used as offices only the 2 top floors are used by the family.

If Charles dies before Camilla. The 4th floor might be used for storage or offices. That only leaves the 3rd floor vacant and available for Camilla.
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:30 PM
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No because women usually outlive men & then Camilla will end up in BP or homeless or she will have to evict Harry.
I can see it if Charles does die before Camilla, she'd prefer to retire to her own property of Ray Mill.
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Old 06-29-2013, 04:53 PM
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If she is still a working royal, she'll need a London base.

Harry can only have rooms in BP while Charles is King & maybe William will let him stay in BP.
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Old 06-29-2013, 06:07 PM
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She doesnt want to be a working royal now, so I can't imagine if she outlives Charles that she would want to continue.
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Old 06-29-2013, 07:29 PM
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Tsk Tsk Tsk..

I went back & read your previous posts so I know your opinions about Camilla. So I won't take this OT by challenging/correcting you.

Have a good day.
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Old 06-29-2013, 07:31 PM
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Actually I do think that she cares about the charities she has taken on and will continue to work for them once a widow - because she has taken them on and is committed to them. When she married Charles she knew that she was committing to a life of duty for the rest of her life and has taken that on.
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Old 06-29-2013, 07:49 PM
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This has been a lovely discussion with lots of excellent, reasoned opinions and I have loved every minute of it. We are, indeed off topic. If someone wants to open a new thread for discussion of Future Residences of the BRF, I think we would all plow our energy there. Let us know.

Really Excellent Discussion (without being the same old things!)
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Old 06-29-2013, 08:20 PM
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Not necessarily. While the Windsor women are very long lived, the opposite is true for the men. Geo 5, 6, and DoW all died young. Could be that QEII might outlive Charles. In which case, baby Cambridge will be first in line way earlier.
Let's look at the ages of Charles male-line ancestors going back three or four generations and something rather interesting comes out:

Father - already in his 90s.
Grandfathers - George VI (aged 56) - heavy smoker and drinker and a lot of stress due to WWII and the Abdication - generally didn't take care of his health and had stomach problems from childhood
Prince Andrew of Greece - another heavy smoker and drinker, stress due to exile etc (aged 62)
Great-grandfathers - George V of the UK - aged 70 years and 6 months - at a time when being in your 70s was regarded as old
George II of the Hellenes - assassinated aged 67 so we don't really know how long he would have lived
Prince Louis of Battenburg - died aged 67 - another smoker
Earl of Strathmore - aged 89.5 years
Going back 3 generations average age is 73 with Philip still going and an assassination in there to bring it down as well along with a range of bad health decisions such as smoking and drinking - Charles has never smoked and only drinks sparingly.
You also mentioned the DoW - died aged 78 - so hardly young.
Go back another generation though and some more long-lived males come into the picture:
Great-Great-Grandfathers - Christian IX of Denmark (a double ancestor as he is both his great-great-grandfather through Philip and a great-great-great-grandfather through Elizabeth) - died aged 87.5 -
Alexander of Hesse and by Rhine - aged 65 in the 19th C when health care was way lower than it is today
Edward VII - aged 68 - again a very heavy smoker and drinker and eater - no care for his health at all
Francis - Duke of Teck - aged 67 - again like many men of his time he was a heavy smoker
The Grand Duke Constantine of Russia - aged 67 - had a stroke - heavily stressed over the reforms in Russia in the 60s and the assassination of his brother
John Maurice Hauke - now back into the 18th C to early 19th century - aged 55 - killed in an uprising in Poland so no indication here of longevity or otherwise
13th Earl of Strathmore - aged months short of 90
Charles Cavendish-Bentinck - aged 48

When one remembers the medical knowledge available to these men in the 19th century and the fact that two male ancestors in the past 4 generations were killed it is clear that Charles has some long-lived genes in his ancestry particularly having two lines of descent from Christian IX of Denmark and the fact that he has always taken care of his health and has access to the best health care money can buy. The average age over the last four generations for the males is 70 and that is brought down, of course by the 55 year old being shot, the assassination of the 67 year old and the young death of Charles Cavendish-Bentick at 48.

To go back to his great-great-great-grandfathers would be going back well into the 1700s in some lines although Christian IX comes in there again.
Go back even further and a lot of 60s to 70s appear - meaning they were living beyond the average even with the poor health care we have today.

I know that there are people who would like Charles to predecease The Queen - and note that I am NOT pointing the finger at anyone here with the deliberate use of the generic term 'people' - but I personally think that is a very nasty view - to wish that The Queen would have to bury her own very much beloved own first born child.
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I actually agree that rather than the Cambridges automatically being given Clarence House that it could go to Harry instead, especially if he has a family by the time Charles is king.

Harry could also be given Royal Lodge in Windsor Great Park as Andrew will no longer need such a big house.
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Old 07-01-2013, 05:59 AM
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So you want to kick Andrew out of his home and also force Harry to move from his own home at some point in the future. Whereever Harry is living once he marries (assuming he ever does marry and finding a woman who would take him on won't be easy - as Chelsy will always be there in his past) why should he leave just because his father is King. Why couldn't he do what Andrew and Edward do - live a BP.

Harry has more than enough money to buy his own home so let him do that if whatever rent free place he is given isn't up to his standards.
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So you want to kick Andrew out of his home and also force Harry to move from his own home at some point in the future. Whereever Harry is living once he marries (assuming he ever does marry and finding a woman who would take him on won't be easy - as Chelsy will always be there in his past) why should he leave just because his father is King. Why couldn't he do what Andrew and Edward do - live a BP.

Harry has more than enough money to buy his own home so let him do that if whatever rent free place he is given isn't up to his standards.
I don't think anyone should be kicked out of their home - but it is common for royal residences to be reallocated when the are changes in the family such as a death or new monarch.

If Andrew was given a smaller property, perhaps still within WGP, he wouldn't need residential staff.
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:45 AM
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I don't think anyone should be kicked out of their home - but it is common for royal residences to be reallocated when the are changes in the family such as a death or new monarch.

If Andrew was given a smaller property, perhaps still within WGP, he wouldn't need residential staff.
We're talking about people's homes here, if there is no reason to relocate then why should they?
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:20 AM
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I don't think anyone should be kicked out of their home - but it is common for royal residences to be reallocated when the are changes in the family such as a death or new monarch.

If Andrew was given a smaller property, perhaps still within WGP, he wouldn't need residential staff.

It actually isn't common for for royal residences to be reallocated unless it is the monarch moving up and the spouse of the past monarch moving out of BP.

Go back to 1910 - Queen Alexandra left BP and returned to Marlborough House which is where George V and Queen Mary were based in London. Alexandra stayed at Marlborough House for the rest of her life. She also stayed in the big house at Sandringham until her death. She didn't move into somewhere smaller.

In 1936 Queen Mary moved into Marlborough House as it was vacant and remained there for the rest of her life.

In 1952 The Queen Mum and Queen Elizabeth swapped homes - QM going to CH where she lived until her death and QEII moving into BP. QM also moved into Royal Lodge at Windsor and stayed there until she died.

Other than that other royals stay in their own homes.
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