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Old 10-28-2017, 03:14 AM
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If he wants to combine 4a and 4b who are you to judge?
Why are you intent on pushing the combination of 4a abd 4b?
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Old 10-28-2017, 03:24 AM
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Why does Prince Edward need a huge residence? I wouldn't be shocked if they did combined the two for cooks, cleaners, servants, security, ect...
How much staff do you think he is going to have? The Cambridges have a nanny and a full time housekeeper. Nor do RPO live with them. The only staff who would live with them would be the nanny. And servant rooms are not included in the counting of rooms. Cambridge apartment is 6 bedrooms, not counting the (said to be) nine rooms for servants. So the 6 bedrooms of 4b would be for the family.

And why are we bringing up Edward? The same could be said about why do Anne and Andrew have large homes? Edward has a large family residence by choice. Bagshot is a family home, and by leasing a crown property, it takes care of security. He rents out the stableblocks on the property to a company. Because of the rent, he pays 10,000 a year for Bagshot (that is far less then Bea and Eugenie pay for their tiny 4 room apartment in SJP). He also doesn't lease the land, just the house, so he doesn't have upkeep for a huge land property.

As a working royal, Harry doesn't have to pay for his London home. The size of his country home, unless his dad buys it for him, he will have to weigh the cost of paying a lease. Andrew used part of his substantial inheritance to help renovate his home, in return for basically no rent for over 20 years. Edward pays it by renting out space. Anne pays for Gatcombe by having turned it into a business.
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Old 10-28-2017, 04:15 AM
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Why are you intent on pushing the combination of 4a abd 4b?
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Why are you intent that it won't happen?
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Old 10-28-2017, 04:19 AM
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None of us really know or have a clue what is going to happen. Harry may even end up getting disgusted with life, join a commune in the High Nevada desert with Meghan and they'll marry on the way there by an Elvis impersonator in Las Vegas and honeymoon at a Native American sweat lodge and spend their nights chanting Kumbaya.
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Old 10-28-2017, 04:24 AM
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None of us really know or have a clue what is going to happen. Harry may even end up getting disgusted with life, join a commune in the High Nevada desert with Meghan and they'll marry on the way there by an Elvis impersonator in Las Vegas and honeymoon at a Native American sweat lodge and spend their nights chanting Kumbaya.
Its the reason they are waiting to get married....He thinks they need to be British minded and have a Beatles cover band not Elvis. Its quite the sticking point

Like other threads, it seems people are getting very personal about the choices. Simply speculation. No one knows but the couple and those who control the palace (if work is going to be done or not).
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Old 10-28-2017, 07:10 AM
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Domestic staff are not the same as staff like equerries.... They are more inclined ot live in, but it would depend I suppose on circumstances.. if there was room avaialbe.. if they were married with kids etc.
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Old 10-28-2017, 07:38 AM
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Why are you intent that it won't happen?
I have never suggested either way!

By continually repeating the same point again and again is not going to either make it happen, or convince any of the other forum members of your point.

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Bagshot is a family home, and by leasing a crown property, it takes care of security.
Why does leasing from the Crown Estate impact security costs? It does not. Security still has to be provided separately. It is not like the property is within the precincts of the Windsor estate, and is already protected.

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Andrew used part of his substantial inheritance to help renovate his home, in return for basically no rent for over 20 years.
That is only a part of the story. A substantial sum was paid for the lease (by either Andrew, or the Queen, or Trusts associated with either of them) to the Crown Estate, when Andrew took it over. It was not as much as would have been due if the the landlord, ie the Crown Estate, was responsible for the repairs, but just the cost of the repairs that Andrew was due to bear was not enough to cover the lease rental for 75 years.
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Old 11-04-2017, 04:48 AM
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Maybe Harry will get Wood Farm once Philip is no longer with us. This article makes it clear that Philip is using it as his 'retirement home'.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...red-royal.html
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Old 11-04-2017, 05:12 AM
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And long may he enjoy it. However, for lots of reasons, including the fact that Wood Farm is used temporarily by the younger royals especially, when they come up to Sandringham for shoots, I don't think Harry will make his home there.
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Old 11-04-2017, 05:23 AM
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Maybe Harry will get Wood Farm once Philip is no longer with us. This article makes it clear that Philip is using it as his 'retirement home'.

Prince Philip's (very different) new life as retired royal | Daily Mail Online
Wood Farm has for years been used by the Queen and Prince Philip on an ongoing basis. They only use the "big house" at Christmas when they are in residence for about 7 weeks. At other times of the year when they visit Sandringham for shorter visits, they use Wood Farm. I doubt it will be available for Harry whilst his grand parents are alive, and perhaps after that as well.
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Old 11-04-2017, 05:24 AM
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Wood farm would be a good idea, but yes it seems it wont be free until the queen dies. I guess they could put off having a country home until then if London is their main base. But likely will want something sooner.

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Why does leasing from the Crown Estate impact security costs? It does not. Security still has to be provided separately. It is not like the property is within the precincts of the Windsor estate, and is already protected.
Bagshot is on the grounds of Windsor park which is indeed secured (the whole Andrew trying to crash through the gates). Yes, there would be added security for the house itself, but much less cost then if they were to have a house out in the middle of no where and have to put in all new security and man it.

They also cut costs by renting out the stable blocks. They pay something like 10,000 pounds in rent.


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That is only a part of the story. A substantial sum was paid for the lease (by either Andrew, or the Queen, or Trusts associated with either of them) to the Crown Estate, when Andrew took it over. It was not as much as would have been due if the the landlord, ie the Crown Estate, was responsible for the repairs, but just the cost of the repairs that Andrew was due to bear was not enough to cover the lease rental for 75 years.
Its a lease. There is meant to be a substantial annual payment made every year for 75 years. Not one lump sum. What they did was, they credited him for the money that he or his mother put into the repairs. It covered the first 25 years worth of lease payments. If he breaks the lease during those 25 years, he gets compensated for a percentage of the money he invested. If he or his daughters remain after 25 years, then they will have to make the yearly payments. This is the arrangement Edward and Sophie have, they pay a lease amount every year, reducing theirs by renting out outer properties.
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Old 11-04-2017, 06:15 PM
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Bagshot Park is a 20 minute drive from Windsor Castle. I remember reading somewhere once that Bagshot was indeed protected separately from Windsor and that it took alot of money and personnel to do so, I think the issue was raised because the police force charged with providing the security wanted to "contract out" the security as it would be cheaper.
Royal Lodge is within Windsor Great Park is possibly easier to protect, it is also only accessible from Crown land as I understand whereas Bagshot is located off a main, public road.
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Old 11-04-2017, 07:34 PM
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Its a lease. There is meant to be a substantial annual payment made every year for 75 years. Not one lump sum. What they did was, they credited him for the money that he or his mother put into the repairs. It covered the first 25 years worth of lease payments. If he breaks the lease during those 25 years, he gets compensated for a percentage of the money he invested. If he or his daughters remain after 25 years, then they will have to make the yearly payments.
Andrew's deal was quite clear - he has paid the lease up front for the entire 25 years - at 1 million pounds.

They waived an addition 2.5 million pounds as he agreed to the over 7 million pounds in renovations to be funded by himself.

If he opts out of the lease in the first 25 years then he will be compensated a percentage of the 7 million he paid for the renovations - decreasing annually over those 25 years.

If he, or the girls, opt out after the first 25 years there is no compensation but they pay nothing now or until the end of the lease. There is no year by year payment.

It works out at 250 pounds a week over the 75 years and that is signed and sealed as the deal.
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Old 11-04-2017, 11:47 PM
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None of us really know or have a clue what is going to happen. Harry may even end up getting disgusted with life, join a commune in the High Nevada desert with Meghan and they'll marry on the way there by an Elvis impersonator in Las Vegas and honeymoon at a Native American sweat lodge and spend their nights chanting Kumbaya.
Well, Harry already owns a pair of blue suede shoes. This plan may have been in the works for awhile.

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Old 11-05-2017, 03:10 AM
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Its a lease. There is meant to be a substantial annual payment made every year for 75 years. Not one lump sum. What they did was, they credited him for the money that he or his mother put into the repairs. It covered the first 25 years worth of lease payments. If he breaks the lease during those 25 years, he gets compensated for a percentage of the money he invested. If he or his daughters remain after 25 years, then they will have to make the yearly payments. This is the arrangement Edward and Sophie have, they pay a lease amount every year, reducing theirs by renting out outer properties.
Its a lease all right, but as Andrew probably did not want large annual / monthly outgoings, he paid a large lump sump upfront to cover the bulk of the lease rentals due.
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Old 11-05-2017, 03:12 AM
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Bagshot is on the grounds of Windsor park which is indeed secured (the whole Andrew trying to crash through the gates). Yes, there would be added security for the house itself, but much less cost then if they were to have a house out in the middle of no where and have to put in all new security and man it.
Where did you get that from? There are substantial costs for securing the house, which would need to be incurred if the property was in Windsor Great Park or Surbiton!
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